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Rev · 12-12-2002, 03:56 PM

Kell never went to the track. He was more of a technocrat.

Rev

302 LX Eric · 12-12-2002, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rev
Kell never went to the track. He was more of a technocrat.

Rev

Rev - first and foremost...good to see you again...been a while.

And yes, I can vouch for this one, Kell has never raced his 87GT or his new 2002GT at a track. I should know as I used to always beg him to get to a track...but he always had an excuse.

He was always very technical in most any reply/post.

E

tireburner163 · 12-12-2002, 05:21 PM

To imply that Cbring is Unit is a insult to Kell.

The reason Kell never goes to the track is that the nearest one is like 1 1/2 hours away.

Kell was a valuable resource, he knows his stuff. I, for one, was sad to see him go.

Kell is moderator at TheMustangNet.com and posts on a few other forums.

I don't care what you people say, Kell is a damn nice guy. He's helped my too many times to count. And believe it or not there was a time when he was a nice guy on the boards too. Senior member will remember that.

He simply got mad at the number of ricerfobic members and the misinformation that was being sprea in Mod Madness (no offense to Hammer)

l8ter,
Josh, aka the tireburner

302 LX Eric · 12-12-2002, 05:33 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by tireburner163
To imply that Cbring is Unit is a insult to Kell.

I agree.

The reason Kell never goes to the track is that the nearest one is like 1 1/2 hours away.

I know. I've heard this one a thousand times. And that's fine. I never insulted him for it. All I did was beg him to go sometime. Which, for a person that is so devoted to Mustangs that he has two of them, you would think that one day he would make the trip to see what actual ET he gets.

And, I live about 45 mins from my local track, but have made the trip to Norwalk (2hrs. 15mins one way) at least 3 times and have raced at another track called Kil-Kare that is about 1hr. and 15mins away. So, I don't see how a hour and a half drive can be that bad.

Kell was a valuable resource, he knows his stuff. I, for one, was sad to see him go.

Me too. However, his demeanor on the boards changed and he was not the most pleasant person to converse with (no offense here, just stating the facts).

Kell is moderator at TheMustangNet.com and posts on a few other forums.

Good for him. I agree with ultra on this, in that I hope he's happy and has found a site that's good for him.

I don't care what you people say, Kell is a damn nice guy. He's helped my too many times to count. And believe it or not there was a time when he was a nice guy on the boards too. Senior member will remember that.

He simply got mad at the number of ricerfobic members and the misinformation that was being sprea in Mod Madness (no offense to Hammer)

Truely, I believe this too. I'm a longtime member of this site and remember some great posts with Kell.

E

Hammer · 12-12-2002, 06:49 PM

Kell was one of my favorite debate sparring partners...

Although we hardly EVER agreed on anything, I respected the heck out of him. I was also kind of sad to see him go...

Quote:

He simply got mad at the number of ricerfobic members and the misinformation that was being sprea in Mod Madness (no offense to Hammer)

No offence is taken.
Kell just could never understand the point that most modular owners are NEW, and the numbers keep growing every day. So the amount of misinformation out there about 96 to present Mustangs are about 100 times the amount of crappy info about the old foxes. As the 4.6 stangs ever increase, the knowledge base will grow. (I'm already seeing this happen)

Although I try to correct any BLATANT misinformation, I am not a mechanic, I don't know everything, I can't catch everything, and I'm even WRONG once in a while.

Kell knows his stuff, he just took some things too seriously.

srv1 · 12-12-2002, 08:16 PM

I was just joking about Unit being Cbring! Wow!

He was a know it all. But he did know quite alot for someone who doesnt turn wrenches for a living.

No excuse on that "1 1/2 hour" trip. I went to the Modular Madness shootout in June. It was over 4 hours one way for me. I drove my car there, raced it, blew a head gasket, and drove it back home. Just ask Topless and Mom. An hour and a half is a small drive. He probably doesnt know how to drive and didnt want the word to get out.

He probably is a nice guy. I have no beef with him except the fact he was a "technical" guy rather than a "technician" who he perceived himself to be.

I am glad he likes it over there. Other than what i mentioned above, he seems like a decent guy.

JaxTheDJ · 12-12-2002, 09:16 PM

1 & 1/2 hrs. is too far to go race?....LOL I live in Jax,Travel to Gainesville(1 1/2 hrs.) Savannah(2 1/2) Hrs. Orlando(over 2 hours),you get the point,if you WANT to race,you just go

Other than that I dont know the guy and am just reading posts,pro and con. But too far to race???? Bite your tounge......LOL

The Deuce · 12-12-2002, 10:43 PM

That's a hike in Minnesota. I've been a lot of places and driven 1.5 hours in most of them, and frankly Minnesota is the slowest going state of them all.

And don't you two (jax and srv) start giving me crap because I've done it in NY and FL, and well heck, I almost did it coming home from work tonight, dammn LA traffic.

Eric4Nitrous · 12-12-2002, 10:46 PM

Farthest i've driven was 13hrs to go to a race.

The Deuce · 12-12-2002, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eric4Nitrous
Farthest i've driven was 13hrs to go to a race.

But you won't put up with 1 hour photo

Eric4Nitrous · 12-12-2002, 11:47 PM

photo's don't make the man..the ET makes the man.

rbatson2 · 12-13-2002, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Eric4Nitrous
photo's don't make the man..the ET makes the man.

I wanna be just like you when I grow up..

Eric4Nitrous · 12-13-2002, 12:10 AM

it's not a good thing..trust me.

rbatson2 · 12-13-2002, 12:14 AM

Damn, I forgot to hit the sarcasm button

Mach 1 · 12-13-2002, 12:24 AM

Kell was, in two words, "anal retentive". Doesnt mean hes a bad person, just means what it says...

tireburner163 · 12-13-2002, 12:35 AM

oh pardon me, I was wrong.....I was talking to Kell......the nearest track it 3 hours away.

PKRWUD · 12-13-2002, 05:55 AM

That's still close. He's just afraid of racing. It's an unknown. You can read tech mags and give very technical, magazine sounding replies to questions, but the only way you learn to race is to race, and Kell wasn't about to do something that he wasn't guaranteed to be successful at, right off the bat.

I'm glad he's still moderating for Kat. I recommended him to her when I retired from being the tech moderator there.

I don't know what happened to Kell, but he did change. We used to be very good friends, and I received dozens of emails from him asking questions. Then I stopped coming to MW for a year and a half, and when I did sneak back in, he had gone from a nice, polite, quiet, yet helpful guy, to an egotistical self proclaimed master of all. I think he started hating me when I corrected him a few times. I never did it vengefully, I was just helping whoever had asked the questions, but he took it personally.

I'll never forget the rant he went on insisting that an oil pump couldn't blow out an oil filter. I went as far as to post a page from Mellings website, and he still said it wasn't true. lol.

I fear that he puts too high a value on always being right, and doesn't have the patience to learn new things. He doesn't handle being wrong very well at all. He became cold and mean to anyone that gave him a chance, and this just isn't the place for that. People often said they respected him for speaking his mind, which is fine when it involves an opinion, but Kell never learned that word. His opinions were law, and if you didn't agree 100%, you were stupid, dumb, and wrong. Period. He would even make shitt up just to bolster his "opinions", but most people never caught on. He would be an excellent poker player.

Honestly, the scariest part is that he reminds me ALOT of myself ten years ago, which is why I still have faith that he'll get over his ego, and come back as the man I called a great friend. I do miss him being here, but the Kell I knew hasn't been here for over 2 years.

Take care,
~Chris

tireburner163 · 12-13-2002, 09:47 AM

Chris, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on the racing part. Hell I wouldn't drive 3 hours, pay shell out 40-100 bucks for a entry fee, plus food. All for 1 to 3 runs.

Not to mention the racing season in that frozen waste land is only like 5 months.

I do agree that Kell changed........on the board.......if you talk to him personally he's a damn nice guy.

Mach 1 · 12-13-2002, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PKRWUD

I'm glad he's still moderating for Kat. I recommended him to her when I retired from being the tech moderator there.

You recommended Kell to be a moderator? Whats wrong with you? Your post contained about 10 characteristics that kell had that all were absolutely what a moderator should NOT have.

With the attitude he had, being a moderator is not the job for him.

being a moderator is about being fair and balnaced, two things Kell never was. Any one who makes up stuff trying to impress people is a clown..

Dark_5.0 · 12-13-2002, 02:57 PM

When you have a butt dyno as accurate as Units you dont need a track

12-12-2002, 03:56 PM	#41
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	Kell Kell never went to the track. He was more of a technocrat. Rev __________________ '66 Coupe, 306, 350-375 HP, C-4, 13.07 e.t., 104.8 mph, 1/4 mi. O.B.C. #2 '66 coupe

12-12-2002, 05:21 PM	#43
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	To imply that Cbring is Unit is a insult to Kell. The reason Kell never goes to the track is that the nearest one is like 1 1/2 hours away. Kell was a valuable resource, he knows his stuff. I, for one, was sad to see him go. Kell is moderator at TheMustangNet.com and posts on a few other forums. I don't care what you people say, Kell is a damn nice guy. He's helped my too many times to count. And believe it or not there was a time when he was a nice guy on the boards too. Senior member will remember that. He simply got mad at the number of ricerfobic members and the misinformation that was being sprea in Mod Madness (no offense to Hammer) l8ter, Josh, aka the tireburner __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

12-12-2002, 05:33 PM	#44
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	[QUOTE]Originally posted by tireburner163 To imply that Cbring is Unit is a insult to Kell. I agree. The reason Kell never goes to the track is that the nearest one is like 1 1/2 hours away. I know. I've heard this one a thousand times. And that's fine. I never insulted him for it. All I did was beg him to go sometime. Which, for a person that is so devoted to Mustangs that he has two of them, you would think that one day he would make the trip to see what actual ET he gets. And, I live about 45 mins from my local track, but have made the trip to Norwalk (2hrs. 15mins one way) at least 3 times and have raced at another track called Kil-Kare that is about 1hr. and 15mins away. So, I don't see how a hour and a half drive can be that bad. Kell was a valuable resource, he knows his stuff. I, for one, was sad to see him go. Me too. However, his demeanor on the boards changed and he was not the most pleasant person to converse with (no offense here, just stating the facts). Kell is moderator at TheMustangNet.com and posts on a few other forums. Good for him. I agree with ultra on this, in that I hope he's happy and has found a site that's good for him. I don't care what you people say, Kell is a damn nice guy. He's helped my too many times to count. And believe it or not there was a time when he was a nice guy on the boards too. Senior member will remember that. He simply got mad at the number of ricerfobic members and the misinformation that was being sprea in Mod Madness (no offense to Hammer) Truely, I believe this too. I'm a longtime member of this site and remember some great posts with Kell. E __________________ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 40,750 miles 331 cu. in. / Tremec 3550 / BFG Drag Radials 12.22 @ 114.31 mph - w/1.89 60'

12-12-2002, 08:16 PM	#46
srv1 Get down..... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Room 103 Posts: 2,095	I was just joking about Unit being Cbring! Wow! He was a know it all. But he did know quite alot for someone who doesnt turn wrenches for a living. No excuse on that "1 1/2 hour" trip. I went to the Modular Madness shootout in June. It was over 4 hours one way for me. I drove my car there, raced it, blew a head gasket, and drove it back home. Just ask Topless and Mom. An hour and a half is a small drive. He probably doesnt know how to drive and didnt want the word to get out. He probably is a nice guy. I have no beef with him except the fact he was a "technical" guy rather than a "technician" who he perceived himself to be. I am glad he likes it over there. Other than what i mentioned above, he seems like a decent guy. __________________ Cobra brakes are on! Finally..... ------------------------------------------------

12-12-2002, 09:16 PM	#47
JaxTheDJ Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Jacksonville,Fla. Posts: 134	1 & 1/2 hrs. is too far to go race?....LOL I live in Jax,Travel to Gainesville(1 1/2 hrs.) Savannah(2 1/2) Hrs. Orlando(over 2 hours),you get the point,if you WANT to race,you just go Other than that I dont know the guy and am just reading posts,pro and con. But too far to race???? Bite your tounge......LOL __________________ Jack 1989 Mustang LX: Converted to Carb.650 AED Holley DP,Weiand Stealth Intake,Edelbrock Performer RPM Aluminum Heads,Hooker Super Comps, Ground Pounder Uppers and Lowers,Moroso Drag Springs,NEW COMP Xtreme Energy Cam and 1.6 RR. ,a few other goodies.*** New 1/4 times-12.50 1987 SC GT ( fast as hell) 2001 Powerstroke Tow Vehicle 1989 Coupe. Sometimes when you cry,no one sees your tears.......... Sometimes when you are happy,no one sees your smile......... But,FART just ONE time..........

12-12-2002, 10:43 PM	#48
The Deuce Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,325	That's a hike in Minnesota. I've been a lot of places and driven 1.5 hours in most of them, and frankly Minnesota is the slowest going state of them all. And don't you two (jax and srv) start giving me crap because I've done it in NY and FL, and well heck, I almost did it coming home from work tonight, dammn LA traffic. __________________ 1997 Mustang GT "The Freak" - 13.80 @ 101.70, 2.07 60' 1995 Honda VFR750 - not much @ really fast (actual data pending.) 1964.5 Mustang 289 Rice Haters Club Member #13

12-12-2002, 10:46 PM	#49
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	Farthest i've driven was 13hrs to go to a race. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

12-12-2002, 11:47 PM	#51
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	photo's don't make the man..the ET makes the man. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

12-13-2002, 12:10 AM	#53
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	it's not a good thing..trust me. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

12-13-2002, 12:14 AM	#54
rbatson2 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 74	Damn, I forgot to hit the sarcasm button

12-13-2002, 12:24 AM	#55
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	Kell was, in two words, "anal retentive". Doesnt mean hes a bad person, just means what it says... __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

12-13-2002, 12:35 AM	#56
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	oh pardon me, I was wrong.....I was talking to Kell......the nearest track it 3 hours away. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

12-13-2002, 05:55 AM	#57
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	That's still close. He's just afraid of racing. It's an unknown. You can read tech mags and give very technical, magazine sounding replies to questions, but the only way you learn to race is to race, and Kell wasn't about to do something that he wasn't guaranteed to be successful at, right off the bat. I'm glad he's still moderating for Kat. I recommended him to her when I retired from being the tech moderator there. I don't know what happened to Kell, but he did change. We used to be very good friends, and I received dozens of emails from him asking questions. Then I stopped coming to MW for a year and a half, and when I did sneak back in, he had gone from a nice, polite, quiet, yet helpful guy, to an egotistical self proclaimed master of all. I think he started hating me when I corrected him a few times. I never did it vengefully, I was just helping whoever had asked the questions, but he took it personally. I'll never forget the rant he went on insisting that an oil pump couldn't blow out an oil filter. I went as far as to post a page from Mellings website, and he still said it wasn't true. lol. I fear that he puts too high a value on always being right, and doesn't have the patience to learn new things. He doesn't handle being wrong very well at all. He became cold and mean to anyone that gave him a chance, and this just isn't the place for that. People often said they respected him for speaking his mind, which is fine when it involves an opinion, but Kell never learned that word. His opinions were law, and if you didn't agree 100%, you were stupid, dumb, and wrong. Period. He would even make shitt up just to bolster his "opinions", but most people never caught on. He would be an excellent poker player. Honestly, the scariest part is that he reminds me ALOT of myself ten years ago, which is why I still have faith that he'll get over his ego, and come back as the man I called a great friend. I do miss him being here, but the Kell I knew hasn't been here for over 2 years. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

12-13-2002, 09:47 AM	#58
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	Chris, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on the racing part. Hell I wouldn't drive 3 hours, pay shell out 40-100 bucks for a entry fee, plus food. All for 1 to 3 runs. Not to mention the racing season in that frozen waste land is only like 5 months. I do agree that Kell changed........on the board.......if you talk to him personally he's a damn nice guy. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

12-13-2002, 02:57 PM	#60
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	When you have a butt dyno as accurate as Units you dont need a track __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

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