Bought something on classifieds and never received.

[Blown68]

I purchased a set of AFR cylinder heads that were posted on the message board from a member here last year and never received them. He first told me he sent them and then sent me a bogus tracking #. Then he said that the shipping company lost them and he would submit a claim. Then he just gave me the run around about the checks having to clear 21 days because it is Canada and it takes that long because it is going to the U.S. I have had many correspondences w/ this person and each time he keeps promising me he will sort it out. Now, I can't get him to respond to any of my e-mails and I am out $1,150. I don't know if I have any recourse since I purchased them thru this site from the classifired message board and not someplace like eBay. I am so F***ing pissed! I have all the records of the money orders I sent him along with confirmation of him receiving it from the U.S. postal service along w/ all of the e-mails I have sent, but I feel like I have been scammed. Does anyone know if there is anything I can do to get my money back or to get this peron to pay me. This is a lot odf money to me and I am really angry that this person has taken my money and not sent me the heads or returned my money. I am temted to post all their info on this site so that everyone can see who it is and what their address is so they can see who this scammer is.

[Unit 5302]

Contact the post office/postmaster general. Since you're in Canada, I can't imagine you used a US postal money order. If you did, it's now felony mail fraud. Regardless, contact the money order issuer and see what they advise you in terms of their fraud protection policies. If they do, they will go after the thief, and believe me, they want their money back, and they know how to get it back.

If I had been screwed out of $1,150, I would post it everywhere I could for multiple reasons. First, I want to make their life hell, and second, other people that might try to buy things from the thief later should know that they'll get ripped off too.

[StangFlyer]

My advice to you is:

1) Post this persons username, name, and locale. Make them known to everyone so that no one else will do business with the person unless this is resolved to everyone's satisfaction.
2) As Unit suggested, contact the money order issuer, the postal service, and any other applicable authorities. Get the ball rolling to hopefully put pressure on this person to get your money returned, or at least get your merchandise.

Personally, I would never purchase anything from someone I didn't know online by sending them the money before receiving the merchandise in a fashion that is like giving them cash (i.e. money order, cashiers check, or check). Either request the merchandise be sent COD, or at least pay using PayPal or a credit card where you have some protections through those services. I believe PayPal has refund guarantees and if you don't receive your merchandise after paying with a credit card your credit card company will typically refund your money and go after the seller for the money.

[Blown68]

Thanks guys! I am actually from the U.S. and I paid w/ U.S. Postal money orders. I also sent return receipt so I have a receipt w/ his name on it and all of our e-mail correspondences. His screename is Strokedstang and his name is Remo Innamorati and he lives in Nepean, ON Canada. I will go to the post office office tomorrow to see about the fraud and also talk to my brother who is a lawyer. I thought that being on a board like this you could trust people, but I won't ever buy anything online unless I have some type of protection like ebay. I also can't believe I let him scam me this long. -Mike

[StangFlyer]

Well, this is the exception rather than the rule. Most people selling on the classifieds are up front people and do an honest transaction in my experience. Mustang Works has been around for about 11 years. Overall, there have been very few incidents of members being scammed or having any significant problem with classified transactions. However, like I said, take precautions in how you do the transaction regardless. You could get scammed doing a private party transaction just as easily on eBay, or anywhere, if you pay up front otherwise.

Also, another suggestion is that if you do not know the seller either by reputation on the site or from already doing a sale together in the past you can ask for a list of other members the person has completed transactions with. Then, you can private message a couple of them to see what their experience with the member was.

In addition, we have some classified buying facts here:

http://members.mustangworks.com/ClassifiedAdFaq.html

[mustangII460]

http://www.muscle-mustangs.com/forum...2244#post22244

Do a google search, hes ripped off more people than you.

His # 613-321-6231

Remo Innamorati (Ray)
Nepean, Ontario, Canada
K2C 3Y9


PO box address:
1363 Woodroffe Ave, Unit B
Nepean, Ontario, Canada
K2C 3Y9

E-mail:
strokedstang408@yahoo.ca


Possible IP addy:
ms-mta-02-smtp [10.10.4.6]

[Blown68]

Damnit! That sounds like the same e-mail crap he sent me. The same excuses and the same bogus tracking #'s. They were for a set of AFR 185's and I bet he still has them along w/ my $1,150. I should not have waited this long, but I will get him to pay one way or another. I still don't understand the mentallity of people who think they can just take peoples money when they are offering a part on a legitimate site. So if you are reading this Remo (Ray), you better be sending my money back because I plan on contacting the police in your jurisdiction along with the U.S Postal Inspector tomorrow. -Mike

[Rev]

Originally Posted by StangFlyer

My advice to you is:

Either request the merchandise be sent COD, or at least pay using PayPal or a credit card where you have some protections through those services. I believe PayPal has refund guarantees and if you don't receive your merchandise after paying with a credit card your credit card company will typically refund your money and go after the seller for the money.

Don't depend on Pay Pal for anything. I got scammed by Tony C. Yang on Ebay for $650 for an Olympus camera, and paid thru Pay Pal. Since they couldn't recoup the money from him, I got nothing but terse replies from Pay Pal. I repeat, don't count on Pay Pal for anything.

Rev

[StangFlyer]

Wow Rev... I thought PayPal was supposed to have a guarentee. Since you've dealt with them what is the specifics of their policies for covering transactions?

[Unit 5302]

Not sure about what their guarantee is all about, but my brother got screwed on a paypal transaction a few years back too. Considering they're owned by Ebay, I don't hold them in very high regard.

[StangFlyer]

Originally when PayPal started I think they did have a guarantee on all transactions. However, it appears that is not the case now reading their complaint policy as currently posted.

https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...plaint-outside

Regardless, an alternative is also to use an escrow service. They HOLD the payment for merchandise for the seller until the buyer receives the merchandise. Once they have then the escrow service releases the funds to the seller. Otherwise, the funds are returned. I've used this type of service before myself.

[Blown68]

I think using an escrow service is the best idea and in the future I plan on doing that. As for this guy Remo, I heard that he is in jail until July, but I filed a complaint w/ the police in Ontario so maybe I'll hear something back. Otherwise, I hope he gets what he deserves because I have heard he has ripped off a lot of people.

[Maroon 5.0 LX]

Only fund any PayPal payments with a credit card. If the deal goes sour and PayPal won't help you, you can then go to your credit card company and file for a chargeback.

If you use a checking account or debit card as PayPal prefers, its like sending cash, and there is not much recourse.

[Bounty Hunter]

Blown68...I am in the process of trying to get my money back from Remo also. PM me or shoot me an email (tlayton@clemson.edu) so we can talk. I have some info which may be useful for you. Maybe we can tag team this guy b/c he's not getting out of jail until december. We've got some time to get our ducks in a row.

[Blown68]

Thanks for any info on him. I would be glad to work with you on this and any help I can be of to you. He has scammed a lot of people from what I have heard. -Mike

[Bounty Hunter]

Remo Innamorati
1356 Erindale Dr
Ottawa, ON K2C 2G6



That is his actual home address. He lives there with his parents.

[Rev]

I might add that I got roundly criticized by two sons that are more Ebay savvy than I am. They both said it was partly my fault since Tony C. Yang had only one sale in his history even though that made him 100% positive on the response scale. I, of course, being a dummy, interpreted that as good. That chronicles my stupid loss of $650. Ebay and Paypal woudn't help at all since the $$$ was removed from my bank account.

I might add, that Pay Pal had both my bank account # and my AMX account #. I thought they were to charge my AMX # but instead they made a charege against my bank account that I could not recoup.

My advice is if you do use Pay Pal, don't ever even consider giving them your bank account #. Make them go through a credit card #. At least that way you can still fight a fraudulent transaction.

Rev

[Capri306]

You guys are being pretty civilized about this. If it were my money, I'd pay someone to go over to his place and, "have a nice talk about giving the money back."

[Bounty Hunter]

He's in jail or I would...

[Rev]

From what I've since learned, Some of these guys are professional scammers. It was Tony C. Yang from Rosemont Ca. that week and was probably Robt. A. Nguyen the next week from Burbank. These guys change Ebay accts. like we change our socks (almost once a day). They grab the $$$ and run as soon as they get it changing address, bank account and everything else. Makes it tough to track them down or I'm sure someone would have paid them a "friendly visit".

Rev