428 & 429

[bigwhitecobra]

Sorry to take up this much space, but I thought I would take some time and reflect on two of the most famous(and rightfully so) engines ever made.

The 428, ahh, the very mention of this monster sends shivers up my spine and tickles that nerve in my brain set aside for horsepower. Why in God's name did Ford do away with it?
Bring the S-O-B back! You'd think that they would, just for fun, but nooooooooooooooo.

[bigwhitecobra]

And the ever popular 429. I've actually driven one of these beasts, and I don't have to tell you how much I love this engine. It says everything that is good about America in the late 1960's and early 1970's.
In some circles, like this one, it's more American than Apple pie, 4th of July, and in some cases, even Mom. Live in excess, and dream in 429. The sound of the valves tinging through the long tube headers, and the sweet roar of all her anger...........Please Ford, give us just one more. That's all I ask, just one more.

[This message has been edited by bigwhitecobra (edited 06-02-2001).]

[Unit 5302]

Wasn't the non-Boss 429 in stock form pretty sorry?

I've heard it described as downright doggy compared to other big blocks.

Personally, I can't figure how you missed my engine in all this?

The 427!!

[91GTturbo]

I know where your coming from. I work with a guy that had both a 428 CJ and Boss 9. Had never driven one and sure didn't have enough respect for them until he offered to let me drive the 428. They recently sold both and bought one of the rarest Boss 9s in the country. Don't know enough about them, but this one has the nascar package and all the goodies. The car has like 14,000 miles on it. A collector called them and offered them like $80 grand for it and they wouldn't sell it, yet.

I just read that the Mach 1s with the 428 CJ were faster than the Boss 429s. Is that true? They said the Mach 1 hit 13.56@106. That's faaaast....stock.....and those polyglass tires were sucky too.

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'69 Coupe with 351W
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Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Edelbrock lifters, Edelbrock double roller timing chain, Edelbrock valve springs, Accel coil, Moroso Blue-Max wires, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, Flex fan, Lakewood traction bars, C4, 3:1 gears, 290hp-stock heads
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[This message has been edited by BennyBoy (edited 06-03-2001).]

[Unit 5302]

Car Craft mag got a 1968 Mach 1 428CJ and toploader combo to run a 13.56@108mph.

That was back in the day, and no the Boss 429 didn't achieve those numbers in stock form. It was just too front end heavy. It needed slicks, badly.

[Mercury]

429's seem to be the underserved underdog. While majority of them went into big bulky passenger cars, there were a few performance tunes for the 385 series that are quite stout in stock form. Well at least in 71 when they had the Cobra Jet and SUper Cobra Jet 429's.

Both were made used in the 71 stang, and had pretty stout bottom ends. Came with 4 bolt mains, the SCJ had a mechanical cam, and the CJ had a hydraulic, engines built before 11/1/69 had an adjustable, non positive stop rocker arm stud, so the installation of a mechanical cam wouldnt be all that hard.

Both had diffrent heads than the regular production passenger car 429, of course with larger valves, larger ports and I believe a tighter combustion chamber (higher compression). Like the 460, it doesnt take much to wake these beasts up.

But yes, the 427 is the ultimate in my books, I must bow down now. I'm getting goose bumps.



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64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. GT Apperance pkg. Period white wall tires. And to many others to list

2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle

64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. Mods, Rust, rust, and more rust

I'd love to have a 428 in MY car!!! That would be awesome. A small, light little car with a huge big block! Wow...that would be a rush. I guess that's why (almost) all Mustangs are so fast off the showroom floor, small and light with a big cube engine. Man...Mustangs ROCK!

I want a 89 notch to put a 408 stroked Windsor in. Those are my plans for the future! (talking 15 years down the road!! ) Run 11s naturally aspirated. Then get blown if I feel like it. But I think I'd try to keep the car pretty stock looking. I'd get some nice rims, but not skinnies and fatties, just some small tires on front and some that are a little meaty on back. Hopefully I'd be able to keep the stock hood and not get a cowl induction one. Or maybe just get a fiberglass one that looks stock. Tint the windows... And I'd paint the thing Wild Canary Yellow!!!

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'69 Coupe with 351W
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Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Edelbrock lifters, Edelbrock double roller timing chain, Edelbrock valve springs, Accel coil, Moroso Blue-Max wires, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, Flex fan, Lakewood traction bars, C4, 3:1 gears, 290hp-stock heads
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The Surgeon General didn't say anything about smoking your azz!!



[This message has been edited by BennyBoy (edited 06-04-2001).]

[Dark Knight]

the BOSS 429 was slow because it was designed for NASCAR.. the power band was up in the rpm range... didnt make any bottom end torque..
the 429CJ and SCJ were nasty..you can build one to make WAY more HP than a 427 or 428...
FWIW, the only year you were supposed to be able to get a 427 in a stang was 68...but there were only a couple and they sucked..down tuned alot...

now a 427 SOHC... heheh.. to bad it wouldn't fit in a stang without alot of chopping ;-)

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84 convt,'95 302,AFR's, performer
3.55's, underdrives stock shorties
stock cam, 1.7's
14.06@100.21, 255RWHP on a hot day
265 on the mph/weight chart

[bigwhitecobra]

The reason I didn't post about the 427 is that I missed the post number. I dare someone to give me the keys to a '66 Shelby A/C 427 Cobra!!! No one in the world has a pair that big.
Honestly, even if the 429 anchor motors were that slow, would it really matter? Think about it....Who here wouldn't give thier left testicule, and both kidneys for one?(Assuming that one could get the propper parts to make it fly.)I know I would be a canidate.
Later.

[mustangII460]

In 68 Fords 429 Thunder Jet and the 460 were taking over. The thin wall casting of the 385 took over the older Y-design thick FE blocks.

Early 429/460 motors had big valves. Not until 1970 did canted valves show up.

The 1970 429CJ hit the street,Torino/Cyclone/Fairlane with massive ports. 1971 for the Stang. These heads were overkill for the street. They flow great at about 190 MPH. Low end torque suffered.

The Mustangs 429CJ in 71 was increased with a step up to the 429SCJ. 780 Holley,Mech cam w/more lift/duration,locker or Traction Loc rear.

My opinion is that the 385 series never really got the chance the FE had. The EPA killed any performance after these motors just got started.

[69fastback]

Being one of the only guys on this board with a 428 cobra jet R code (ram air shaker hood). My car is heavily modified and i can't even explain to ppl the rush one of these things is to drive. 302s are awesome but u just don't understand the torque that my car comes up with. I wish i could let everyone on this board just drive my car once (ofcourse i never would) but just to see the difference. Sure there are 302s on this board faster than my car I know this but there is not one on this board that will snap ur neck back like my 428 can. I don't mean to rant but i just love ford bb and nothing in this world can compare. Just wait until u cruise down the street in a heavily modded 428 cj r code. U will not get more looks form ppl if u where in a royls royce limo i can promise that.

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69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

[bigwhitecobra]

By the way, have I said that I hate you lately? Just wondering.


J/K, love the car, and yes, I love the torque those engines come up with. And nothing on this earth has a sound anywhere near it. Glad to see that you still drive it.

[Unit 5302]

Yep. I drove my Uncles 69 Mach 1 428CJ toploader.

The car doesn't have a powerband. It's got a powerland.

[Mercury]

I like the old FE bigblocks. Chevy guys for some reason think there dogs, and boat anchors. I have seen and driven the evidence that you can turn a FE into one street screamin, quarter mile tearing, Vette eating street machine.

The 67 Fairlane that my friend owns that me and Tim are always working on is just awesome. Oh man, everytime I hear that car, and ride in it, I just cant help but sit there and get goose bumps and smile for hours. It even gets so bad I make Camming noises while sitting in restraunts on cruise nights, or walking in the mall or what ever. 390 cubic inches can go along way.

Some of the old FE were awesome in stock form. 428 Stangs, 427 Fairlanes, 406's, Thunderbolt , AC Cobras, Oh man...My next classic has got to be a bigblock car. I'm debating on building a 58-60 T-bird, or a Fairlane like my friends, or if I get lucky enough to find an bigblock 67-70 Mustang. I'm thinking of the future here. After I get my 2000 GT paid off.

I think a rip roarin low to mid 12 second 58-60 T-Bird with a built up 390 or 428 would kick a$$. I can just imagine it now. The sound, the smell, the camming. It would have to be RED though.

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64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. GT Apperance pkg. Period white wall tires. And to many others to list

2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle

64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. Mods, Rust, rust, and more rust

[69fastback]

LMFAO@bigwhitecobra.

When i am in the US i drive the car all the time. It used to be the only car I had until I got the truck. 4 miles to the gallon is ruff on the wallet. I can't wait to get back to the US and take it to the track with all the new mods I got.

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69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

[bigwhitecobra]

I must now refer you to the statement I made earlier in the post. Please feel free to ask questions concerning my response.

Yuck Fou!!! J/K around.