Well aint that a bi**h!...(emissions testing)

NoSlow5.0 · 05-23-2001, 03:46 PM

It boggles my mind some times to see how our government can be soooo close minded on certain policies. I went to have my emissins tested yesterday and decided to see how clean i am with my off road h pipe. Well, i passed with flying colors! The guys at the dyno were really surprised at by how clean my car is. But they had to fail me because catalytic converters were not present on my car. As i right after me a piece of crap toyota came in to have the car tested. This thing had a smoke cloud a mile long behind it and was falling apart. It barely passed, and i meen BARELY!

It is strange how my car, that was soooo much cleaner than this piece, was failed because of no cats while this guy got to keep his on the road even though it is putting out more polutants than mine. Go figure. I'll put the cat pipe back on and pass next week. Light Em Up!!

jimberg · 05-23-2001, 04:34 PM

What were you numbers with the off-road h-pipe?

blue00gt · 05-23-2001, 05:09 PM

California's the same way - you have to pass a visual inspection as well as the butt sniffer.

PGkelly · 05-23-2001, 06:58 PM

that BLOWS. with a capital BLOWS. i can't believe they let some POS yoter off while you failed, with a cleaner car. it makes NO sense. if your car is clean, why should it matter whether or not it has cats?

P.S. that's an actual question, so someone please answer it

joe4speed · 05-23-2001, 11:38 PM

Move to Florida! They got rid of the worthless emmissions testing two years ago!!

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Joe!
1988 GT, 167,000 miles!!! 13.58@105mph Check out my listing! Click here! Or my website:
www.joe4speed.com
1999 Ninja ZX-6R 10.32@135mph!
1993 Olds Eighty Eight LSS 16.40@88.8mph

tireburner163 · 05-24-2001, 12:34 AM

That sucks a big one

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1990 Dodge Dynasty with 275,000 miles. Mods:chiped paint, CD player. Sucks but it was free. Praying for a stang.
The "Guetto Glider"

P.S. watch out cobra owners it's a freak

tireburner163 · 05-24-2001, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NoSlow5.0:
[B]As i right after me a piece of crap toyota came in to have the car tested. This thing had a smoke cloud a mile long behind it and was falling apart.

B]

Sounds like my car

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1990 Dodge Dynasty with 275,000 miles. Mods:chiped paint, CD player. Sucks but it was free. Praying for a stang.
The "Guetto Glider"

P.S. watch out cobra owners it's a freak

Skyman · 05-24-2001, 03:19 AM

Thats amazing, my car literally spiked every single meter on the machine when I had mine tested w/ the off-road H. The guy freaked out and told me to take it away.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows.
12.55@107mph
Mustang owners get a 15% discount!
www.OJAIPCPROS.com

NoSlow5.0 · 05-24-2001, 09:23 AM

Here were my numbers...

HC- ppm 158(reading) 174(allowable)
CO- % .70 1.12
NO- ppm 1060 1258
RPM 1868 1250-2500
CO+CO@ % 10.9 6.0 min

The page had PASS written all over it, but FAIL in big bold letters on the top. It's kinda funny. But i'm moving to Mass, where emissions are not required if the car is 14 years old or older

1987 mustang=14 years old

Light Em Up!!

[This message has been edited by NoSlow5.0 (edited 05-24-2001).]

jimberg · 05-24-2001, 10:23 AM

Well, to play devil's advocate, there's your answer. The law is there to ensure that you put out the least possible emissions for your car as possible, not that you come in under a certain number, although a lot of people do. If everyone was set up to just barely pass, they'd probably have to reduce what the passing numbers are to meet the Federal clean air requirements. Since you didn't have cats, which is Federally mandated, they can just claim that your emissions would be lower with them and therefore, you must have them. The moronic thing is that if you just had gutted or phony cats, you would have passed.

With my 351W and Hi-Flow cats I got 19ppm HC and 0.00% CO. They didn't test for NOx here in Minnosota. Maybe someone else could tell you what to expect on NOx.

The numbers you got were comparable to what I got when I was running regular plugs when I should have been running 3/4" reach plugs.

NoSlow5.0 · 05-24-2001, 06:00 PM

I knew i was going to fail b/c i didn't have cats. I just wanted to see how my car was running. I am very satisfied with how lean it is, and i know that it will be cleaner with cats on. When i brought it back to have it retested, the technition just looked to see if i had the cats in and pushed a button that printed out a PASS sheet.

A tune up will lower the emissions even more, and i will probably weld some heat shields on my pipes to give the impression of cats. I was just surprised that i passed with the off road. Light Em Up!!

cyberstang444 · 05-27-2001, 12:48 PM

your car sounds good anyway!!! Hey man this is Lou from the Wilcox party this is a really good site i just joined.

NoSlow5.0 · 05-28-2001, 11:37 AM

Good deal Lou!!! Now go post a new member thread in the lounge and tell the others a little about yourself and that nice 88 vert of yours!! THE DRAGON HAS SPOKEN!!!Light Em Up!!!

13sec95vert · 05-29-2001, 10:28 AM

my inspection expires at the end of the month so i told my dad i had to switch out the off road h pipe for the stock one and he started complaining about how i was driving around a car that wasnt street legal. i switched the h pipe out and we went for a ride and he was like man this car has no rumble to it anymore so he asked me if i was going to put the bbk h pipe back on after inspection and i told him yeah and he was like good this thing sounds like a kitten

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1995 gt convertible:
3.55 gears, underdrive pulleys, cobra intake , fenderwell cold air, 65mm throttle body, 75mm mass air meter, off-road h pipe, borla cat back, 155lph fuel pump, yokohama a520(drag radials) 275s, 5 speed conversion with t-5 and all ford racing parts a ram clutch and a dino tuned diablo chip done at strictly performance in houston

NoSlow5.0 · 05-29-2001, 02:35 PM

My dad acctually prefered the exhaust tone with the stock h-pipe on. He said that the off road was TOO LOUD!! WTF!?? Marbles sounds meen as all getout with the off road on. Light Em Up!!!

05-23-2001, 03:46 PM	#1
NoSlow5.0 YOU HAVE NO MARBLES!!!!!! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Jonesboro,Georgia,USA (Providence, Ri) Posts: 868	Well aint that a bih!...(emissions testing)** It boggles my mind some times to see how our government can be soooo close minded on certain policies. I went to have my emissins tested yesterday and decided to see how clean i am with my off road h pipe. Well, i passed with flying colors! The guys at the dyno were really surprised at by how clean my car is. But they had to fail me because catalytic converters were not present on my car. As i right after me a piece of crap toyota came in to have the car tested. This thing had a smoke cloud a mile long behind it and was falling apart. It barely passed, and i meen BARELY! It is strange how my car, that was soooo much cleaner than this piece, was failed because of no cats while this guy got to keep his on the road even though it is putting out more polutants than mine. Go figure. I'll put the cat pipe back on and pass next week. Light Em Up!!

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05-23-2001, 04:34 PM	#2
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	What were you numbers with the off-road h-pipe?

05-23-2001, 05:09 PM	#3
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	California's the same way - you have to pass a visual inspection as well as the butt sniffer.

05-23-2001, 06:58 PM	#4
PGkelly Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 274	that BLOWS. with a capital BLOWS. i can't believe they let some POS yoter off while you failed, with a cleaner car. it makes NO sense. if your car is clean, why should it matter whether or not it has cats? P.S. that's an actual question, so someone please answer it

05-23-2001, 11:38 PM	#5
joe4speed He said Member...heh, heh Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Jupiter, Florida U.S.A. Posts: 3,718	Move to Florida! They got rid of the worthless emmissions testing two years ago!! ------------------ Joe! 1988 GT, 167,000 miles!!! 13.58@105mph Check out my listing! Click here! Or my website: www.joe4speed.com 1999 Ninja ZX-6R 10.32@135mph! 1993 Olds Eighty Eight LSS 16.40@88.8mph

05-24-2001, 12:34 AM	#6
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	That sucks a big one ------------------ 1990 Dodge Dynasty with 275,000 miles. Mods:chiped paint, CD player. Sucks but it was free. Praying for a stang. The "Guetto Glider" P.S. watch out cobra owners it's a freak

05-24-2001, 03:19 AM	#8
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Thats amazing, my car literally spiked every single meter on the machine when I had mine tested w/ the off-road H. The guy freaked out and told me to take it away. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS Heads, E-303, edelbrock intake,70MM TB, 73mm MAF, off road H, headers and 3chamber flows. 12.55@107mph Mustang owners get a 15% discount! www.OJAIPCPROS.com

05-24-2001, 09:23 AM	#9
NoSlow5.0 YOU HAVE NO MARBLES!!!!!! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Jonesboro,Georgia,USA (Providence, Ri) Posts: 868	Here were my numbers... HC- ppm 158(reading) 174(allowable) CO- % .70 1.12 NO- ppm 1060 1258 RPM 1868 1250-2500 CO+CO@ % 10.9 6.0 min The page had PASS written all over it, but FAIL in big bold letters on the top. It's kinda funny. But i'm moving to Mass, where emissions are not required if the car is 14 years old or older 1987 mustang=14 years old Light Em Up!! [This message has been edited by NoSlow5.0 (edited 05-24-2001).]

05-24-2001, 10:23 AM	#10
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	Well, to play devil's advocate, there's your answer. The law is there to ensure that you put out the least possible emissions for your car as possible, not that you come in under a certain number, although a lot of people do. If everyone was set up to just barely pass, they'd probably have to reduce what the passing numbers are to meet the Federal clean air requirements. Since you didn't have cats, which is Federally mandated, they can just claim that your emissions would be lower with them and therefore, you must have them. The moronic thing is that if you just had gutted or phony cats, you would have passed. With my 351W and Hi-Flow cats I got 19ppm HC and 0.00% CO. They didn't test for NOx here in Minnosota. Maybe someone else could tell you what to expect on NOx. The numbers you got were comparable to what I got when I was running regular plugs when I should have been running 3/4" reach plugs.

05-24-2001, 06:00 PM	#11
NoSlow5.0 YOU HAVE NO MARBLES!!!!!! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Jonesboro,Georgia,USA (Providence, Ri) Posts: 868	I knew i was going to fail b/c i didn't have cats. I just wanted to see how my car was running. I am very satisfied with how lean it is, and i know that it will be cleaner with cats on. When i brought it back to have it retested, the technition just looked to see if i had the cats in and pushed a button that printed out a PASS sheet. A tune up will lower the emissions even more, and i will probably weld some heat shields on my pipes to give the impression of cats. I was just surprised that i passed with the off road. Light Em Up!!

05-27-2001, 12:48 PM	#12
cyberstang444 Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: McDonough, GA, USA Posts: 5	your car sounds good anyway!!! Hey man this is Lou from the Wilcox party this is a really good site i just joined.

05-28-2001, 11:37 AM	#13
NoSlow5.0 YOU HAVE NO MARBLES!!!!!! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Jonesboro,Georgia,USA (Providence, Ri) Posts: 868	Good deal Lou!!! Now go post a new member thread in the lounge and tell the others a little about yourself and that nice 88 vert of yours!! THE DRAGON HAS SPOKEN!!!Light Em Up!!!

05-29-2001, 10:28 AM	#14
13sec95vert Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Katy Texas Posts: 70	my inspection expires at the end of the month so i told my dad i had to switch out the off road h pipe for the stock one and he started complaining about how i was driving around a car that wasnt street legal. i switched the h pipe out and we went for a ride and he was like man this car has no rumble to it anymore so he asked me if i was going to put the bbk h pipe back on after inspection and i told him yeah and he was like good this thing sounds like a kitten ------------------ 1995 gt convertible: 3.55 gears, underdrive pulleys, cobra intake , fenderwell cold air, 65mm throttle body, 75mm mass air meter, off-road h pipe, borla cat back, 155lph fuel pump, yokohama a520(drag radials) 275s, 5 speed conversion with t-5 and all ford racing parts a ram clutch and a dino tuned diablo chip done at strictly performance in houston

05-29-2001, 02:35 PM	#15
NoSlow5.0 YOU HAVE NO MARBLES!!!!!! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Jonesboro,Georgia,USA (Providence, Ri) Posts: 868	My dad acctually prefered the exhaust tone with the stock h-pipe on. He said that the off road was TOO LOUD!! WTF!?? Marbles sounds meen as all getout with the off road on. Light Em Up!!!