simple solution to hijacking problem

[1965GTO]

I guess the security experts at the FAA and the airlines don't have a very high IQ. All you have to do is put security doors on the flight crew cabin and no one can hijack the plane right? Am I wrong?


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[Mr 5 0]

Nothing is that simple, although your security door idea is not a bad one, at that.

All a hijacker has to do is jump up, hold a gun or a knife to the head/neck of a flight attendant or child passenger and demand access to the flight cabin. They will not be refused access, security door or no security door.

Remember, 'political' hijackers are generally fanatics, often religious, and think that if they die killing an American for Allah, they go straight to valhalla. We are not dealing with rational people who say "Oh, the flight door is locked. Guess I'll forget this hijacking and order a drink". We wish.

That said, the more security, the better, but we shouldn't have to give up our freedom of movement or travel to accomodate terrorists.
I don't need some security officer asking me 'for my papers' every time I want to go somewhere. Instead, we should be eliminating the terrorists. We are in a war and all bets are off. If we cannot, as a people, find the courage to strike back at those who wish to kill our civilians, including women and children, then dance in the streets for joy to celebrate those American deaths, then we are lost. The time for talk and diplomacy is now over. Time for military action is here.

True security is found in strength.
Let's show some, now.

I agree 110% with that. Time to flatten the middle east and declare it the 51st state.

[46stang]

rbatson: lmao. the 51st state too funny!
Mr.50 i agree totally. it's time to kick as$ and take names. they want to use our technology against us(planes) lets give them a sample of some real technology.
as for airport security it's not hard to make a knife from a hard plastic material and walk through metal detectors. metal detectors are obsolete, imo. they need those xray machines you walk past so they can scan you totally, and carry on baggage shouldn't be allowed! jmho.


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[MiracleMax]

5.0,wherever politics and religion are concerned people are seldom rational.

IMO I dont think a massive counterstrike is the answer either. What would going out and bombing a country into oblivion prove (nothing except were terrorist with bigger and better bombs). I think we should sort through the mess and figure out who did what then give those foreign states suspected of containing the terorist a chance to assist, if they dont want to help then they should be declared enemies of the state and we take whatever action is nessecary to minimize the threat of something like this happening again (only a dummy would think this couldn't happen again no matter what we do). through the use of military action.

That said, this is for the pricks with the screwed up agenda that thought up this BS plan.

"KEEP PHUCKING AROUND AND BLOWING SH!T UP! WWIII IS JUST HANGING AROUND THE CORNER AND YOU DONT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO MOVING A LARGE GROUND FORCE TO THE US OF A. SO GUESS WHAT DUMBASS! ROCKS AND SAND MAKE FOR PISS POOR COVER"

[stevstum]

I think they have been to soft on all the terrorist groups. When ever one of them does somthing they just prosicute the guys who did it. I think they should round them up and hang them and put it on all TV stations all over the world. Let all the world now that you don't mess with the US.

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[1965GTO]

If you are a pilot and a hijacker has a weapon demanding to get in the cockpit you are not going to let them in! The only thing they can do is kill people in the passenger area but they cant get in and fly the plane.

[myred86gt]

I'm trying to understand how people can start
dancing around for joy when a large amount of
civilians get killed. I guess these people don't even care if they put their own children in harms way as they did in Iraq!
I think it's time for a big golf corse in the
sand. Get rid of the troublemakers for good
otherwise they won't give up until everybody
is dead!
I don't believe in violence but I also don't
believe in stupidity and ignorance!

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[rwhite65]

not the answer, but a good solution is the cockpit door.

we have to look at the big picture here. A terrorist grabs a woman child, any other thing you can think of. If he gets in the cabin, everyone might die. If the pilot gets the plane to the ground, then that gives the police the chance to enter the plane. When the plane is in the air, the pilot is the only one who can help the passengers.

I hate to say this, but a few lives for 100? a 1000?

Also, what about some security? A while back there was a big thing about air rage and how they are training flight attendants control tactics. Please!!

The airlines are going to have to look into security that are in plain clothes randomly placed throughout the plane. In the air things are much more risky then on the ground, we need to approach it that way.

As for the retaliation...they killed our civillians in a time of peace. I will not stand for my mother, your mother, or anybody else to be killed due to this senseless B.S.

Do you know how many emergency people died today?

We are a super power, that is why they targeted us today. It is time we respond and show them just what kind of power we have. I say we take the middle east and their damn oil too. tired of their sh##.

I will gladly park my squad car and take one for this country as long as I can put a bullet in one of their rag heads. (ok that was not politically correct, but felt good.)

[smokedchevy]

I believe the terrorist attacks were probably from the Palestinians. Everyone in the East hates the Israelis, and we're the only country helping the Israelis by giving them money and weapons. That's probably why we're always a target of attack from Palestinian radicalists. This one really hit home, and I think it's time to show them who's boss of this planet called earth.

[Unit 5302]

The Palestinians hate us, but they are not well organized enough to pull this off.

I have to agree with having armed security guards on flights from here out. Perhaps actual police officers. One in back, one in front. They do nothing but monitor the passenger area for those type of events. Not only will it cut down on air-rage, but it would make hijacking nearly impossible. Orders to shoot to kill any terrorist, regardless of hostage situation. This cannot happen again.

[84LX89GT]

Originally posted by 1965GTO:
[b]I guess the security experts at the FAA and the airlines don't have a very high IQ. All you have to do is put security doors on the flight crew cabin and no one can hijack the plane right? Am I wrong?

B]

...here's an interesting question. What if the flight crew ARE terrorists. I also believe that there should be some heavy duty doors to the cockpit and some system to where you can't open the doors to the cabin from the time you take off until you land....not much anyone can do now about this catastrophe.

[Mach 1]

Its easy to armchair quarterback after the fact.

Heavy, vault like doors are not practical on an aircraft for the same reason you dont want your mustang to weigh in at 4000 lbs.

Armed guards? So how hard would it be for a couple terrorists to kill an armed guard or two?

The pilot being the only one to help the passengers in the air is absurd comment. The crew is a few people. The passengers have to defend themselves! If two terrorists are threatening you with knives, and taking over the aircraft, what do you do? Hide in the bathroom and make cell phone calls? Especially after it becomes apparant that they intend to fly these planes into the ground? No, you take action. 50 passengers can certainly take over two terrorists, but making it happen is understandably easier said than done.

Even heavy doors can be broken down. Its not a bank, its an aircraft.

There is no simple solution to this problem, and something we will have to live with if we want to have air travel.

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[bigwhitecobra]

Thank you Mach1 !!! I'm glad someone brought this to forefront. I can assure you that if I were ever on a plane that was in this type of situation, I would gladly start opening up some whoop *** . If I get taken out, so be it.

I feel sorry for the ones that died in the flights, but they could have done alot more than evidenced.

Wounds heal, chicks dig scars, and all that macho BS. It's time we wake up form our collective slumber, take some freaking testoserone pills, and act like f'n Americans.

Just my $0.02

[Snakeman]

think they'd dance better with gelled gasoline on 'em?

have the doors on the outside. no access. no worries!



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