Import crushing 428 engine

MuscleCarFanatic · 07-03-2001, 02:24 PM

I plan on putting a 428 in a '67 mustang coupe. What kind of horse power/ torque can I expect? It'll be stock at first, except for an edelbrock intake and edelbrock 650 cfm 4bbl carb. I'm curious if this would be the right engine for me, seeing how I plan to school a couple local import teams...

Fostang · 07-03-2001, 03:56 PM

a single 650 cfm carb on a 428 isn't enough. Why not built a regular 302 or 351 windsor?? I feel with the right componets they can really put out some high horse power numbers.

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67'fastback-Edelbrock carb,intake,cam,valve springs.Rhode lifters, CompCam rocker arms, windage tray,cerama coated headers,dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4,tci stall converter,perma cool electric fan,aluminum water pump,griffen aluminum radiator,accel 8.8 cable,wide cap distriburator,magnetic pick up,v-matic hurst shifter,edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump,ignitor coil,solid motor mounts,magna racing suspension,poly urathane bushings,under rider traction bars, comp. eng. s

Gearhead999 · 07-03-2001, 09:01 PM

Why don't you just stroke a 351?? You can get alot more power and be at the same amount of money, or cheaper.

MuscleCarFanatic · 07-03-2001, 10:32 PM

Well, actually I'm building a 360 engine (that I already have)into the 428.
If a 650 cfm carb isn't enough, what set up should I use? I plan to eventually go with a dual quad setup instead of a 650 cfm carb. But for now, I just have this 360 engine with edelbrok intake and 650 cfm carb just sitting here.
Is anyone aware of the hp/tourqe this engine produces?

Ron1 · 07-04-2001, 12:11 AM

Well I decided to dig into all my Ford books, and only found one mention of the 360. I gather it was part of the "FE" big block family. Could not even find any performance specs on the engine and where and when it was used. So, my first question is...what did it come out of? Anything is possible, but you may want to look at what is available for that motor in the aftermarket. Lastly, sqeezing a big block into a 67 is quite an expensive proposition because everything is pretty much custom. Cooling, fuel delivery, exhaust, suspension and so on. After working 6 years to stuff a 460 into a 68, believe me it takes some doing. You might be wise to take the suggestions from the other posters. And a 1050 Dominator might fit the bill for a carb.

Ron

Gearhead999 · 07-04-2001, 09:30 AM

The 360 was a FE, BUT, it is a truck engine. Never in a car. I don't know the HP rating, but I really don't think it was meant for high rpms and such.

I surmise you can stuff a 428 crank in it. I don't know what the bore diameter is though.

MuscleCarFanatic · 07-04-2001, 10:21 AM

Granted the 360 is not a performance engine, however, a 360/390 truck block can be made into a 428. I was told that only a truck 360/390 block has thick enough walls to handle the boring.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 460 a larger block than the 360/390/428?
I was under the impression that a 360/390/428 block would fit with out modification in a '67-'69 mustang. I have seen 390/428 powered mustangs around (mostly fastbacks)....

Mercury · 07-04-2001, 11:46 AM

Actually, did'nt some of the production 360's come with forged cranks, and I've been told steel also, but I find that one hard to believe.

It should be able to handle the Revs just as well as the other FE's, the bottom end is the same.

As for Mustangs, 67-70 body styles accept big block engines in there comparment rather easily. Thats what Ford put in some of them.

Not in enough of them for my taste

69fastback · 07-04-2001, 11:31 PM

390s where put in 67 mustangs so it should not be all that hard. I don't see why a 360 block wouldn't fit. Then again I didn't know ford made a 360 until reading this.

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69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

Rev · 07-05-2001, 06:18 PM

The problem I hear is that FE high performance parts are mucho expensive compared to Windsor stuff. Just compare Edelbrock FE heads to Windsor heads and where the dollars are. Build a 430 Hp 427 and compare the cost to a 430 HP 392 Ford crate engine. $$$ wise there won't be much comparison. Now, I've never done either one one, but I do know where I would start in that area.

Rev

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'66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph
1/4 mi.

Ron1 · 07-05-2001, 11:46 PM

Hi Rev...finished the 347 and it is in the car. 2 more weeks and she be ready to go.

Ron

jwboner · 07-06-2001, 01:26 AM

The 360 is the same as the 390 on the outside and am pretty sure the 428 is as well. And as far as money the parts usually aren't more expensive, they are just harder to find and not as big of selection. A stroked 351 would be much lighter in the front end than a big block, but then again they don't call them big blocks for nothing. The hp potential is bigger with a big block because you can stroke them as well (might have to be custom made, but anything is possible to the one with the money),they have much bigger ports and flow lot more. To really make that motor run it will probably cost more, but if money is very tight I might have to say that you are in the wrong hobby.

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65 Mustang fastback
347 DFI injected, TFS, too much to say
Just about everything custom

69fastback · 07-06-2001, 12:12 PM

If all the 360 parts are the same as the 390 then all the 428 cj parts will fit. (I am not sure if this is true find out from better sources but the 428 and 390 parts do interchange.) The 428 parts are just bigger and badder that is all i can say. So if they do interchange with the 360 parts u can build one bad machine.

------------------
69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

MrWesson22 · 07-08-2001, 09:42 PM

C'mon guys. You're supposed to know more about FE engines. An FE block is an FE block is an FE block when it comes to external dimensions. The 360 truck block will bolt straight into a 67 using all stock Ford components. The 360 was a low rpm peak motor with no hp and decent torque (great for towing trucks), but this doesn't matter if he's boring/stroking it to 428cid anyway. Any FE intake/heads/anything else will bolt right to this block. A little FYI - 428 crank + custom rods + 427 bore/pistons is a 454cid. Have your block sonic checked. If it'll take the huge overbore to a stock 427 size, you could build a sweet, high revving 454cid Ford. FE parts are a little harder to find and more expensive when you do, but a 428 FE will last a helluva lot longer than a 351W stroked to 427cid. 650cfm isn't nearly enough carb for even a stock 428, by the way. Well, I guess that's enough info for now. If you have any questions, just ask.

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Neal

69 stang
351C/4sp

MuscleCarFanatic · 07-10-2001, 04:51 AM

Thank you MrWesson22! Right now I'm running a '66 289 in my '67 coupe. Will the big block 360/390/428 have the same clearance with the hood as the 289? I say this because right now the 289 barely and I mean barely clears the hood. It's got the stock carb and everything, but I notice it has a carb spacer. Just curious...

69fastback · 07-10-2001, 01:11 PM

I would love all the fe info i can get. I run an fe but, don't have all the info that i want to go faster.

------------------
69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods.
97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III
BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN.
Objects in the mirror are about to disappear...
QUICKLY!!!!!!

thunderbolt · 07-11-2001, 10:44 PM

I am not an FE expert, but just a fanatic with a few thoughts. First I have heard of taking the truck 390 blocks out to 428 specs but I would really hesitate to take a block out to 427 specs. Anyway, you are going to have to go in for an engine rebuild anyway and machine work, so why go back to stock 428 specs? If it were me (hoping one day) I would get the whole edelbrock FE package with the 750 carb. You are going to spend some time and money locating original FE parts that are inferior to moderm components if you want original. Build it closer to what you want to begin with or you will really spend the money on this project. But a moderately moded 428 should just crush most of those around you. Good luck with it.

MuscleCarFanatic · 07-12-2001, 11:02 AM

Ummm..you must have miss understood. I'm building the 428 and I plan on using performance parts, not stock (why spend more money on inferior parts?). As for carb setup, I was toying with the idea of dual quad edelbroks. Does anyone have the list of things I need to do to turn a 360/390 into a 428?

07-03-2001, 02:24 PM	#1
MuscleCarFanatic Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Kennewick, Wa, USA Posts: 17	Import crushing 428 engine I plan on putting a 428 in a '67 mustang coupe. What kind of horse power/ torque can I expect? It'll be stock at first, except for an edelbrock intake and edelbrock 650 cfm 4bbl carb. I'm curious if this would be the right engine for me, seeing how I plan to school a couple local import teams...

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07-03-2001, 03:56 PM	#2
Fostang Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Stockton, Ca Posts: 599	a single 650 cfm carb on a 428 isn't enough. Why not built a regular 302 or 351 windsor?? I feel with the right componets they can really put out some high horse power numbers. ------------------ 67'fastback-Edelbrock carb,intake,cam,valve springs.Rhode lifters, CompCam rocker arms, windage tray,cerama coated headers,dual flows with H-pipe, modded c-4,tci stall converter,perma cool electric fan,aluminum water pump,griffen aluminum radiator,accel 8.8 cable,wide cap distriburator,magnetic pick up,v-matic hurst shifter,edelbrock performer nitrous, carter electric fuel pump,ignitor coil,solid motor mounts,magna racing suspension,poly urathane bushings,under rider traction bars, comp. eng. s

07-03-2001, 09:01 PM	#3
Gearhead999 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Oviedo, FL Posts: 992	Why don't you just stroke a 351?? You can get alot more power and be at the same amount of money, or cheaper.

07-03-2001, 10:32 PM	#4
MuscleCarFanatic Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Kennewick, Wa, USA Posts: 17	Well, actually I'm building a 360 engine (that I already have)into the 428. If a 650 cfm carb isn't enough, what set up should I use? I plan to eventually go with a dual quad setup instead of a 650 cfm carb. But for now, I just have this 360 engine with edelbrok intake and 650 cfm carb just sitting here. Is anyone aware of the hp/tourqe this engine produces?

07-04-2001, 12:11 AM	#5
Ron1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 439	Well I decided to dig into all my Ford books, and only found one mention of the 360. I gather it was part of the "FE" big block family. Could not even find any performance specs on the engine and where and when it was used. So, my first question is...what did it come out of? Anything is possible, but you may want to look at what is available for that motor in the aftermarket. Lastly, sqeezing a big block into a 67 is quite an expensive proposition because everything is pretty much custom. Cooling, fuel delivery, exhaust, suspension and so on. After working 6 years to stuff a 460 into a 68, believe me it takes some doing. You might be wise to take the suggestions from the other posters. And a 1050 Dominator might fit the bill for a carb. Ron

07-04-2001, 09:30 AM	#6
Gearhead999 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Oviedo, FL Posts: 992	The 360 was a FE, BUT, it is a truck engine. Never in a car. I don't know the HP rating, but I really don't think it was meant for high rpms and such. I surmise you can stuff a 428 crank in it. I don't know what the bore diameter is though.

07-04-2001, 10:21 AM	#7
MuscleCarFanatic Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Kennewick, Wa, USA Posts: 17	Granted the 360 is not a performance engine, however, a 360/390 truck block can be made into a 428. I was told that only a truck 360/390 block has thick enough walls to handle the boring. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 460 a larger block than the 360/390/428? I was under the impression that a 360/390/428 block would fit with out modification in a '67-'69 mustang. I have seen 390/428 powered mustangs around (mostly fastbacks)....

07-04-2001, 11:46 AM	#8
Mercury The Redneck James Bond Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,707	Actually, did'nt some of the production 360's come with forged cranks, and I've been told steel also, but I find that one hard to believe. It should be able to handle the Revs just as well as the other FE's, the bottom end is the same. As for Mustangs, 67-70 body styles accept big block engines in there comparment rather easily. Thats what Ford put in some of them. Not in enough of them for my taste

07-04-2001, 11:31 PM	#9
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	390s where put in 67 mustangs so it should not be all that hard. I don't see why a 360 block wouldn't fit. Then again I didn't know ford made a 360 until reading this. ------------------ 69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods. 97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN. Objects in the mirror are about to disappear... QUICKLY!!!!!!

07-05-2001, 06:18 PM	#10
Rev Registered Member Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 3,887	The problem I hear is that FE high performance parts are mucho expensive compared to Windsor stuff. Just compare Edelbrock FE heads to Windsor heads and where the dollars are. Build a 430 Hp 427 and compare the cost to a 430 HP 392 Ford crate engine. $$$ wise there won't be much comparison. Now, I've never done either one one, but I do know where I would start in that area. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi.

07-05-2001, 11:46 PM	#11
Ron1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Vancouver, WA USA Posts: 439	Hi Rev...finished the 347 and it is in the car. 2 more weeks and she be ready to go. Ron

07-06-2001, 01:26 AM	#12
jwboner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Under the hood Posts: 164	The 360 is the same as the 390 on the outside and am pretty sure the 428 is as well. And as far as money the parts usually aren't more expensive, they are just harder to find and not as big of selection. A stroked 351 would be much lighter in the front end than a big block, but then again they don't call them big blocks for nothing. The hp potential is bigger with a big block because you can stroke them as well (might have to be custom made, but anything is possible to the one with the money),they have much bigger ports and flow lot more. To really make that motor run it will probably cost more, but if money is very tight I might have to say that you are in the wrong hobby. ------------------ 65 Mustang fastback 347 DFI injected, TFS, too much to say Just about everything custom

07-06-2001, 12:12 PM	#13
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	If all the 360 parts are the same as the 390 then all the 428 cj parts will fit. (I am not sure if this is true find out from better sources but the 428 and 390 parts do interchange.) The 428 parts are just bigger and badder that is all i can say. So if they do interchange with the 360 parts u can build one bad machine. ------------------ 69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods. 97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN. Objects in the mirror are about to disappear... QUICKLY!!!!!!

07-08-2001, 09:42 PM	#14
MrWesson22 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Dacula, GA Posts: 73	C'mon guys. You're supposed to know more about FE engines. An FE block is an FE block is an FE block when it comes to external dimensions. The 360 truck block will bolt straight into a 67 using all stock Ford components. The 360 was a low rpm peak motor with no hp and decent torque (great for towing trucks), but this doesn't matter if he's boring/stroking it to 428cid anyway. Any FE intake/heads/anything else will bolt right to this block. A little FYI - 428 crank + custom rods + 427 bore/pistons is a 454cid. Have your block sonic checked. If it'll take the huge overbore to a stock 427 size, you could build a sweet, high revving 454cid Ford. FE parts are a little harder to find and more expensive when you do, but a 428 FE will last a helluva lot longer than a 351W stroked to 427cid. 650cfm isn't nearly enough carb for even a stock 428, by the way. Well, I guess that's enough info for now. If you have any questions, just ask. ------------------ Neal 69 stang 351C/4sp

07-10-2001, 04:51 AM	#15
MuscleCarFanatic Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Kennewick, Wa, USA Posts: 17	Thank you MrWesson22! Right now I'm running a '66 289 in my '67 coupe. Will the big block 360/390/428 have the same clearance with the hood as the 289? I say this because right now the 289 barely and I mean barely clears the hood. It's got the stock carb and everything, but I notice it has a carb spacer. Just curious...

07-10-2001, 01:11 PM	#16
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	I would love all the fe info i can get. I run an fe but, don't have all the info that i want to go faster. ------------------ 69 428 cobra jet: tons of mods. 97 f-150 5.4 xlt mark III BUCKLE UP. SUCK IT IN. Objects in the mirror are about to disappear... QUICKLY!!!!!!

07-11-2001, 10:44 PM	#17
thunderbolt Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 380	I am not an FE expert, but just a fanatic with a few thoughts. First I have heard of taking the truck 390 blocks out to 428 specs but I would really hesitate to take a block out to 427 specs. Anyway, you are going to have to go in for an engine rebuild anyway and machine work, so why go back to stock 428 specs? If it were me (hoping one day) I would get the whole edelbrock FE package with the 750 carb. You are going to spend some time and money locating original FE parts that are inferior to moderm components if you want original. Build it closer to what you want to begin with or you will really spend the money on this project. But a moderately moded 428 should just crush most of those around you. Good luck with it.

07-12-2001, 11:02 AM	#18
MuscleCarFanatic Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Kennewick, Wa, USA Posts: 17	Ummm..you must have miss understood. I'm building the 428 and I plan on using performance parts, not stock (why spend more money on inferior parts?). As for carb setup, I was toying with the idea of dual quad edelbroks. Does anyone have the list of things I need to do to turn a 360/390 into a 428?