too all the ones here who dont like the fast and the furious!
 

why do all of you talk soo much junk about the fast and the furious??? i enjoyed the movie. i mean sure it wasnt PERFECT but what movie is? i dont see where yall think it is a stupid movie, everyone around including mee thought it was an awesome movie and cant wait till part 2 comes out. just thought i'd ask why yall hated it soo much. could it be cuz there 10 sec. cars could out run you 12 sec. cars??? dont mean to start anything by this if you know what i mean

It was a good movies but it would have been a LOT better with different cars in it.

P.S. Yea, I'm sure all the cars ran 10 seconds:rolleyes:. What does it take to get a Honda in the 10's now a days window tint and a K&N:rolleyes:. In the movie they said the had like 100,000 dollars under the hood and they ONLY run 10's. Hell a mustang would be in the 6's or 7's for that

I personally disliked the movie for the most part because it was to advertised. And because it *Brain Washed* more people into wanting to build a Rice Rocket..

All in all i GUESS it was Alright movie..

Have you saw the behind the scense?? because if you didn't it says that A-LOT of the the scense had the cars being pult behind trucks .

but yeah i enjoyed the movie for a good laugh and to pass the time..
BUT ONE NOTE " DO NOT NNOT NOT NOT! PUT THAT MOVIE ON SURROUND SOUND!"

Nik

Fast and the Worst....
 

ONE WORD.....







NOS!



thats all i have to say about that........

When they said they had $100,000 in that rx7 engine that is called BS. No way could you spend that much on that POS. Why did a 650hp Supra have to use NOS to race a stock Ferrari?

There were serious inaccuracies about the performance of those cars in the movie. A turbo N20 Jetta would likely run 13's, not 10's. Although I'm sure there is an Eclipse in the 10's somewhere, most have to ditch the stock stuff when they hit the 12's cause they can't hold together. The fastest rotory RX7 in the world could barely get into the 9's just a year or so ago. I'm talking like 9.96. That was in a drag setup.

Other than the cars being wrong, it brings street racing into the light as an operation run by hooligans and serious criminals. It paints a bad picture of those of us just looking for fun when the track is better than $100 and over 3hrs away.

The Fast and the Fake
 

red5.0:

This thread is borderline acceptable to begin with and your comment about the '10-second cars' in The Fast and The Furious being able to outrun 'our 12-second cars' is begging for flames. If that happens, this thread is toast as we have been all over this ancient subject on these forums many times before but - as you are a new member - I'll cut you some slack here and attempt to respond to your questions.

As Unit 5302 and others mentioned, the film makes street racing look like highly-organized and murderously dangerous activity dominated by various criminal types including drug dealers. That's BS but a lot of folks buy into the concept and it makes real street racers look bad - and criminal - to the average person.

As for the cars; it was a movie and movies are routinely faked when it comes to cars. It's also highly inaccurate with the performance of the Japanese cars that dominate the films.
It was obviously written by people who have only a passing knowledge of high-performance automobiles and anyone who believes that putting a Nitrous Oxide kit in mom's Civic and then adding a farting exhaust, 18 gauges and some 'racing stickers' will have you running 10's or whatever, is totally naive or deluded - or both.

Yet The Fast and the Furious gives that impression. It's a lie. Nitrous Oxide won't make a 17-second car a 10 or even a 12 - second car and overuse will quickly destrioy the engine. But those are facts and not much fun so they got left out of the movie.

Our main objection to it is that it lied about fast cars and the capability of 4-cylinder cars in particular. Your comment on the lead post confirms that you're another person who bought the lies and think every Honda with a 'NOS' sticker is some awesome machine that will eat V-8 Mustangs for lunch. There are a lot of sadder but wiser Japanese-car drivers out there who have found out differently over the past six months. Stickers and coffee-can exhausts don't mean squat. It's what's under the hood that counts. A Nitrous Oxide System (what NOS stands for, BTW) isn't under every Honda's hood and most Mustangs with mods will do 13's (many do 12's) which is about what a modified nitrous-equipped 4-cylinder will do. No problem.

We liked the action and the racing in F&F was O.K. but it was just so inaccurate as well as making racers look like criminals that it lost it's appeal - fast. However, we're not furious, just annoyed and disappointed.

Well here is my $.02
I will definately look at the supra this weekend at World of Wheels, as I have a exhibitor booth there, and 2 cars in competition. It will be there, so i am checkin it out..mostly to look at the paint job, but I will check it out. If it is like the other show cars, it is a copy, and not THE car in the movie.

BTW mr 5 0.. Right again!!!!!!!!;)

If the movie didn't have so called street racing in it. I would have liked it. 99% of the people on mustangworks are not found of ricers and that is what the movie was about. I get so sick of all these ricers that run 10s when it just doesn't happen very often. Even here in southern califronia where there a probaly more ricers than anywhere when i went to the street leagal drags on saturday the fastest import was 14.5 now that is what the movie should have had.

ok ok ok, so it was a little unreal but still in the movie gone in 60 seconds, the gt500 that hit the n20 for about a minute and a half, jumping over that semi and landing then driving away, come on guys you didnt even poke fun at that movie, and by the way i have seen a turboed jetta with n20 run way faster than 13's, so how about everyone quits makin fun of what everyone else drives and just admire them for trying
(not trying to start an argument, just expressing how i feel)

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...so how about everyone quits makin fun of what everyone else drives and just admire them for trying...

Tony:

The Fast and the Furious isn't about 'trying' - it's about lying.
That's the point.

There is a U.S. muscle-car V-8 camp and a Japanese/Europe 4-cylinder camp in street racing. The Fast and the Furious is a movie that depicts street racing as being dominated by insanely modified 4-cylinder cars that run 10's and then take a cruise around town. That's dishonest and annoying to Mustangers who work hard to run 12's and still be streetable, as many are.

It's a 'ricer' film and it's bogus.

Yes, as I stated in my previous post, ALL 'car' movies fake stuff and that includes Bullitt and Gone in 60 Seconds. We know that, Tony. We make fun of them, too, but enjoy those films because it's 'our' cars up there on the screen doing absurd things that we wish they could do.

Fast and Furious was a 'ricer' film, and I'm certain the messageboards on the 'ricer' websites are loaded with ohhh 's and ahhhh's and pages of comments about how wonderful (and accurate) the movie was. So what?

This is a Mustang site and we don't care much for little grocery-getters with puky 4-cylinder engines that run 17's on a good day pretending to be 'fast' cars.

A V-8 Mustang is fast, even stock, and when modded (without Nitrous Oxide or turbos) it can easily run 12's N/A. Honda's don't do that. We prefer Mustangs.

Everyone is free to do what they can with what they have, Japanese or American car, 4 cylinder or V-8 but it doesn't mean we at Mustang Works have to pretend that the film in question (F&F) was anywhere near accurate about the cars depicted or the nature of street racing in general.

Turbo N20 Jetta's faster than 13's. I'm sure it's possible, but one of the most reputable members on the boards was at one of the speed shops in CA. They had a turboed N20 Jetta right there, and they said it was running mid 13's. Quite frankly, I believe it.

I enjoyed the fast and the furious and I enjoyed both gone in 60 seconds and a bunch of other car movies even though I wouldn't call any of them great movies. When you watch a movie you just have to ignore the mistakes and BS or there won't be many movies of any type that you will like if you know much. There is only one great movie in my opinion that also showed car culture and that is American Graffitti. And I noticed a few mistakes in it also. The movie is totally believable, but if you watch close you will find mistakes such as seeing Carol in the 32 coupe for a second in a scene that takes place before she ever started riding with him. The scene where two guys tell John Milner that the cops are at Jerry's Cherry's.

quote:
"could it be cuz there 10 sec. cars could out run you 12 sec. cars??? "

Ricers seem to think that a car is fast if it has nitrous and isn't if it doesn't. Mr 5.0 said it all. Why take a car that is slow and try to make it fast. Why not take a car that is fast and make it faster.

gee i must have forgotten that the mustang is god.......whatever guys im done with this post............

7000rpm-

Why take a car that is slow and try to make it fast? Well, I'm gonna make my car faster. Stock my car is soooo slow and I know it. I could have picked a much faster car, like the S2000, but I've always wanted a Benz. I can't wait to see the look on the face of my first victim (when my Kleemann kit arives!) I'd imagine it's the same look you get from the guy in the Ls1 when you hand him his *** in a Mustang.

I agree that 10 sec four bangers are few and far between, but with the money you can do anything!

The best part of the movie was when the floor board fell off durring the first race! Now that car has some power! :D

Even though I could the father of everyone in that movie, I still enjoyed it, specifically the scenes with the cars running.

Of course, some of it was ridiculous, and the sad part is that many kids watching it believed everything. :confused: But then, you have to remember that if your 1st car runs 18s, and your next car runs 15s, it will seem ungodly fast......

I know a lot of the import kids at Orlando Speedworld, and they are for the most part quite knowledgable. It's the ones that never go to the track who think that theirs is the fastest thing on 4 wheels.

That's right boy. Mustang IS god. Of course, because this is a mustang board, we've been talking about mustangs. But really the Camero, Firebird, Corvette, Viper, Saleen, Roush, Lamborgini, Ferrari and Porche and several others could also hand many, many imports there ***. I wonder, do you go to each of the above enthusiast boards and make such stupid comments?

We don't talk about this stuff because we own Mustangs, we say it because it is based in reallity, physics, and logic. I feel sorry to the poeple in this world that have to have such a sore attitude when they figure this out, or even worse when they act stupid and childish trying to ignore it.

But what do I know, I'm just another guy that thinks Mustangs are GOD.

It's funny how common sense and logic seem to escape some people, isn't it?

it's all in the eye of the beholder. it's all about likes and dislikes. pop quiz; on a Mustang board, what is the biggest subject, based on tastes of the posters? CORRECT!!!! MUSTANGS!!! YAAAY.

the TRUE import guys who are knowledgeable enthusiasts love their cars and are VERY passionate about the little liters pumping out power. those import guys love their cars just as much and know just as much about imports as you guys do about our American Muscle. it's all about the tastes of the average human being.

and lastly, it's hollywood. a car movie is still a movie. Gone in 60 secs was not believable in some parts, but we for the most part loved it becuase of the cars and they way those crazy people drove those things to their limit. it's entertainment. the only way to watch something on the big screen having to do with cars as the main subject with alot of truth in it, is if it would be a documentary with real people, real cars, and real timeslips. not computer generation, not cars on trailers made to look going 120mph, not statements about a car having 100,000 dollars under the freaking hood, not 2 minute shots of nitrous, not 5 minute 1/4mi racing scenes, not a car jumping over a mile of accident. you want 100% naked truth in a movie? go get a video camera, take it somewhere that has fast cars racing for money, pink slips, bragging rights or good old fashioned respect and fun. then add some witty comments, cool music and take it somewhere where they'll put it up for everyone to pay to see. it's the only way.

and by the way, an RX-7 is an incredible car, as is a Supra, and next to a mustang are my next choices to own. i'm an enthusiast, and i also like to be entertained. to each his own.....

ok 95mustanggt, your way out of hand, i didnt say that i dont love mustangs but im saying there is no need to put down the "ricers" that just makes us lower than they are. just out of respect i keep my opinions to myself, because we all hate when a civic owner comes on here and puts down mustangs. YES I KNOW THIS IS A MUSTANG WEBSITE and i love mustangs thats why im here, ssooooooo lets keep the rude comments to ourselfs

I though we were all mature, BTW i am young, 95mustanggt, but i dont have to stoop down to criticisim

apologizing
 

okay look i'm the one who started this and i apologize for it. it aint caused nothing but arguments and i should have knew that was goin to happen. But i would like to comment about Mr. 5.0's reply. you said it was a "ricer" film. correct mee if i'm wrong (which i maybe) but a "ricer" is someone with a slow car and puts wings,tips, and others to make it look fast but its slower than my dead grandmother. the cars in the fast and furious were moded and did go fast. i know its hard to get a 4-banger into the 10s but a movie is like a book you got to use your imagination alittle, you know everything aint right but hey, thats what makes it interresting. who wants to see a movie with alot of slow cars racing? no one, thats why they said they ran in the 10s. another comment is about what Tony said. i'm agreeing with him. it seems if it aint a mustang ya'll seem to find something wrong with it and put it down. dont get mee wrong here i love my mustang, but it aint the greatest car i have ever driven, in fact i'm selling it. soo all i'm asking is to have some respect for the "ricers" they love there cars just as much as we love ours. we're just "boys with our toys"

There is one thing they could have done to make the movie a little more enjoyable for us domestic guys. It comes down to this. In the import world there are the 'ricers' and then the guys who really know how to make an import fast. Here at MW we mostly despise the ricers and many of us appreciate the the guys who know there stuff.

The movie had no comparison between these two classes. What I mean is that all we saw was about a half dozen 10 sec street-driven imports. If they had a few 18 sec rice mobiles, it would have given a comparison between the two classes of import drivers.

Without this, at least in my opinion, they seemed to fall into the ricer category. The leaders of the ricer world where every hooked import runs 10 sec's, speedo's jump from 120 to 140 when switching gears, and the floor boards will fly off if you have too much power.

I may have gotten out of hand, however I get sick and tired of people talking about how a stock civic with a fart pipe can run amazing track times. The worst part is that more and more people seem to became echanted by these lies. And no matter how many times you hand a ricer his *** he still thinks his car is faster. :confused:

There are several import cars that are very nice. There are also people that race normal imports (like Civics and CRX's) and they are just as cool as a mustang owner (well maybe not quite ;)).

It's like looking at a 10 ton truck and a feather and arguing over which one is heavier. I find it very frustrating.:(

I'm just glad that the Mustang (and Camero for that matter) have reached to the younger crowd and have kept the "dream" alive.

Advice to young mustanger: Criticism can be a very good thing.

BTW I'm old but I'm not THAT old.;)

Gee...how did I know that you would INDEED come back to this post? ;)

Hey personally I don't mind imports at all. My Honda is an import, and my bike is an import. No biggie.

What DOES bother me is not even mistakes (like car switches and editing, etc) but blatant, stupid comments...such as "I need TWO bottles of NOSS". This is what most knowledgable auto euthansists view as incorrect nomenclature (such as calling a copy machine Xerox), and it is implying that TWO bottles of n2o actually mean more horsepower. That is retarded.

I love any movie with a car chase, race, burnouts, etc. But there is a limit to the "sensational" element in a film...especially when kids attempt to go out in real life and imitate actors. After a while the believable factor wanes, and so does the interest in the movie.

I love any car as long as its fast...but civics chasing down a tractor trailer to steal parts? That is something a 12 year old would write for shits and giggles...which is exactly why FATF was really appealing to the younger crowd. I especially loved the part about offering sexual favors for winning a race...get real. If this really happened, you probably couldn't even get within 2 miles of your local "spot" due to the traffic jam ;) I know that everyone's personal taste in movies is different, but if I want to watch a plot that is THAT contrived...I'd rather plunk down my $8 for Star Wars.

Spaceships are faster than Mustangs :D

Er...isn't this thing supposed to automatically edit out my bad language????

:confused:

MustangBelle.

I have seen you in a new light.:D

Are you calling me KRAZEE?!?!? I tell you!!! My 5.7L SpaceShip beats my GT by over 4 light years :D

...

my shrink believes me. ;)

[QUOTE]if I want to watch a plot that is THAT contrived...I'd rather plunk down my $8 for Star Wars.[QUOTE]

I liked Star Wars.

Ricers suck
 

Actually I'd have to disagree with you. "ricers" do not love cars. "ricers" like to look cool at all costs, do stupid things in there cars and act like morons. Therefore I don't think you'll ever see anyone on this board or any other enthusiast board respect a "ricer".

Now someone who races imports and is a true car enthusiast will ALWAYS get respect at this web site. That is one of the reasons this site is one of the best. However "ricers" trying to pretend they are car people (no matter what they drive import or domestic) will never get any respect (atleast from me).

Star Wars Rules!!!!............Its waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy better than Star Trek. :D

"ricers" want attention plain and simple. they don't want their car to be fast, they want it to stand out. and they do it by making it loud (not to be confused with fast) by means of 4" exhuast tips and $3K sound systems, eye catching/squinting with bright/rediculous paint schemes and chrome rims, and making it "look" fast (or so they think) with bodykits, 2 foot high spoilers, and by making it essentially glow in the dark with neons and crap.

"rice" is not a specific overall group of car guys. like it's been said before, "rice" is a state of mind. people create "rice" to create attention to themselves. and you know what? it works. it doesn't necessarily bring them respect, but they still get the attention they desire. mainly because they inferiorate true enthusiasts like us Stang lovers. and it's huge discussions like this that give the "rice world" exactly what they want.

FATF did what it set out to do. someone said they didn't like the movie simply because it was over-advertised. name a huge movie hit that WASN'T overadvertised. Gone in 60 secs was advertised just as much as the FATF was. it made a TON of money, that's the only reason they made it was to make big money on it. i mean c'mon people, it's a ******* MOVIE for cryin out loud!! so what's the big deal? true enthusiasts who know their stuff shouldn't be mad at the makers of that movie because bottom line is, we should just let the morons that think that movie is 100% true to life keep RIGHT ON thinking that. there's nothing that we'll ever do to make them think it's a bunch of BS entertainment. if they're dumb enough to believe it, do you really think they'll listen to us try to tell them it's way past even being close to the truth? don't think so. if they want to be ignorant, LET THEM and just go about your day, geez.

Re: apologizing
 

I'll be glad to correct you, red.

Yes, the cars in 'The Fast and the Furious' were modded and did (allegedly) 'go fast' - but they were almost ALL Japanese cars with a stray VW or two and with the awesome Dodge Charger at the end.

Now, to me, that constitutes a 'Ricer' film. Wild graphics and all the race equipment on a Japanese vehicle is 'rice'. The fact that the little Honda may be actually modded and run strong is a mitigating factor but it's still Rice-A-Roni to me and almost every car in 'The Fast and the Furious' was a foreign car with all the 'ricer' trappings.

To make it easier, here's my precise definition of RICE:

A standard issue car - regardless of origin - is not rice. It's just a car.

Once you put the ricer crap on it - no matter the make - it's rice. That would include giant wings, 4" exhaust tips, huge wheels with no-profile tires, 'racing' stickers, garish paint jobs, 22 gauges, etc. You know what I mean here but I just want to be precise.

The fact that you have all this crap on your car - especially a Japanese car - and it runs fast (very rare on the street - as you know) simply makes it a 'ricer' - that runs quick.

I've seen a lot of very fast American cars (Mustangs, Camaros, Buick GN's and Corvettes) that are near-stock looking and run 12's on the street. No one needs an absurd giant wing, oversized wheels or garish paint jobs to go fast. That's 'rice' and it's bogus. A roll cage, yeah, some functional gauges, yeah, big tires - to a point - but the rest is just clownish and I call it rice. If no one else does, fine.
Low et - even fake numbers such as that riced-up movie presented us with - doesn't change that definition for me. That is my basis for calling 'The Fast and the Furious' a 'ricer' film. To me, it was.

Well said Mr. 5.0

sorry
 

okay i'm tired of this. all it is causing is flames and would like for the ADMIN. to close this thread that I started. i dont want yall to think that i'm on the ricer's side by this thread, but i dont hate yet dont like them at the same time. i do however resecpt how much time and money they put in to there cars. they luv there as much as we luv ours. soo all i ask again is to have this thread Closed and for you guys not to hate mee cuz i started, i apologize, i'm sorry.
-Danny-

Flame wars? All I see is people stating their opinions :confused: And I don't think anyone really cares WHO started the thread...there are some of us that like it, some of us that don't. Big whoop. :rolleyes:

BTW...in case you didn't see that HUGE box on top of your first reply screen (click edit) that says "Delete this Thread?" you can go there and delete the post. I quite frankly don't see the point...I like seeing other people's opinions on the movie.