turbo charge or supercharge?

Mustang Brandon · 04-08-2004, 06:06 PM

iv'e been saving money for my car and ive got about 2500 in the bank right now. ive been thinking about super charging and about turbos and cant deside which to put on my 5.0L every day driver/ weekend street racer.

mustardjohn · 04-08-2004, 06:31 PM

I think Ackbar00 would say turbo.....

Look at the links in this thread it may help you. Good pros and cons of turbo vs the various types of superchargers

http://forums.mustangworks.com/showt...threadid=40200

buddha · 04-08-2004, 07:37 PM

Supercharging is realatively easy to install and less costly than turbos. But........turbos are way cool, make gobs of power at low RPM, and not as many people run them. Spend some time around both types of cars and a possible ride. That may help you decide. If I could have another power adder car, it would definately have a turbo on it!

mustangII460 · 04-08-2004, 07:43 PM

Heres my angle. Ive debated turbo/super charger for about the last few years.

I just helped a friend fix 3 cracked pistons. He was running a 1991 5.0 forged pistons,bla, bla , bla, and 12lbs of boost. 457 RWHP.

Now, he originally spent around 3500 to get the supercharger on and dyno'd.

For about that money you can buy a built motor with no charger and have one hellava motor, without the stress.

Still yet, I figured run a 6lb charger. But I'd still be out alot of money that could have been spent on a sweet longblock.

My conclusion was to save some money for a built 5.0 running fuel injection and not worrying about the side effects of the charger.

mustardjohn · 04-09-2004, 03:00 PM

Turbo installed, dyno'd, with chip etc etc etc is between $4000 and $5000. But the horse power gain is quite substantial and as said already said they generate low rpm power. Most superchargers need to be toward the top end before they do much which is fine for drag racing.

tireburner163 · 04-10-2004, 08:53 PM

Turbo if you can afford it.

If not you can't hardley go wrong with a S-trim

-Josh, aka the tireburner

refriedbeancounter · 04-11-2004, 06:17 PM

I built a twin turbo setup on an 86 with just junkyard parts for less than $500. It ran 10's. Everyone said it could not be done because of speed density. I proved them wrong. It's not that hard. Look for the Garrett turbos from the pre-87 tbirds or from an SVO(harder to find in a junkyard). The turbo Dodge's are good too but have smaller turbine housings. There are a hundred ways to add more fuel. Just get a good A/F gauge and don't ever go lean under boost. I welded three DSM intercoolers together for a nice flowing cooler. You can have a lot of fun for not a lot of money if you use your head.

tireburner163 · 04-11-2004, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mustangII460
For about that money you can buy a built motor with no charger and have one hellava motor, without the stress

I'd like to see you make 457 rwhp with $3800 bucks. I don't see how you would make 520-525 flywheel horsepower for that little money.

-Josh, aka the tireburner

NoSlow5.0 · 04-12-2004, 01:37 PM

Another vote for turbo. Super chargers can be purchased cheaper and installed and tuned easier, but if you can find the correct turbo for your application, a system can be pieced together for a relatively small sum and make retarded power. Light Em Up!!

Ackbar00 · 04-12-2004, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mustardjohn
I think Ackbar00 would say turbo.....

Look at the links in this thread it may help you. Good pros and cons of turbo vs the various types of superchargers

http://forums.mustangworks.com/showt...threadid=40200

TURBO!!!!

But they are expensive if you buy a kit. Be prepared to spend 5k for the kit and supporting stuff. Used kits are popping up on Ebay all the time. Just have to look for them.

refriedbeancounter is right. You can build you own kit for under 1k. Got to have to pipe bending skills, but it is possible.

For ease of install, and to make some descent power, a Novi 1000 is a great start into Forced Induction and can be had for $1700.

mustangII460 · 04-12-2004, 03:59 PM

tireburner:

($3500 bucks for the supercharger and to have it dyno tuned.)

Plus

his motor ( NOT A STOCK MOTOR)

quote mustangII460: "1991 5.0 forged pistons,bla, bla , bla, and 12lbs of boost. 457 RWHP."

Am I missing your point?

tireburner163 · 04-12-2004, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mustangII460
tireburner:

($3500 bucks for the supercharger and to have it dyno tuned.)

Plus

his motor ( NOT A STOCK MOTOR)

quote mustangII460: "1991 5.0 forged pistons,bla, bla , bla, and 12lbs of boost. 457 RWHP."

Am I missing your point?

My point is that it's damn near impossable to build a car that's all motor that will lay down the same power as a supercharged/turbocharged car. With both cars having the same budget.

Capri306 · 04-13-2004, 01:10 AM

Just from personal experience, as in fixing my friends' cars, I have two schools of thought on this. Correctly tuned and with a properly-built engine, either choice will work fine. Typically, you have to get up into the upper rev range to make good use of the supercharger. Turbos, as stated previously, give you that "oomph" almost right off the line, but seem to make everything underhood run a bit hotter (duh, you're using exhaust gas to drive an impeller).

A good friend of mine did a custom twin turbo on his '89 LX, and GOD did that thing put me back in the seat!!!

However, the engine was questionably rebuilt, and the blowoff valves stuck shut on a couple of runs. Ended up that ~14psi was too much for it to handle, on top of the rod bearings getting trashed. Fun for only a while, but it made a believer out of me. His was created with junkyard parts (I think two 2.3L turbos), and a talented welder.

Then you look at something like Dan's car. That thing accelerated like a ******' demon outta hell even with a slipping clutch! I think it was a good engine combo, because even when the engine wasn't in boost territory it was horrendously torquey.

If I had the time, I'd go with twin turbos on a 357.

If I had the money, I'd go with a Paxton NOVI 2000 on a 351W/427.

RBatson · 04-13-2004, 07:23 AM

Well, how about heads, cam, intake and a 150 shot of Nitrous? Then you would have a strong daily driver and use the nitrous when you race on the weekends.

A turbo is more efficient than a supercharger but it can cost quite a bit more.

Personally, if I were to do it again.. I'd start with the motor first and then add a power adder.

mustangII460 · 04-13-2004, 05:35 PM

tireburner:

After he removed the charger Id say he still has 300 to the wheels. Don't know for sure. If he dumped back in the price of the charger Id say he'd be back up in the 400HP easy.

I never said the same power could be made with the same money. Only that you can still have a hellava motor without a turbo or charger. My friend probably had 4k in the motor already.

I hav't to be missing something in your or my post because Im totally lost now.

xxxBlakexxx · 04-13-2004, 08:20 PM

Nitrous - $500

Money left in the bank - $2000

Or, take a hot chick on a cruise.

mustangII460 · 04-13-2004, 09:14 PM

You know Nitrous is a viable option here.

It does the bigest bang for the buck.

04-08-2004, 06:06 PM	#1
Mustang Brandon Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: louisville, kentucky Posts: 88	turbo charge or supercharge? iv'e been saving money for my car and ive got about 2500 in the bank right now. ive been thinking about super charging and about turbos and cant deside which to put on my 5.0L every day driver/ weekend street racer.

04-08-2004, 06:31 PM	#2
mustardjohn Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 360	I think Ackbar00 would say turbo..... Look at the links in this thread it may help you. Good pros and cons of turbo vs the various types of superchargers http://forums.mustangworks.com/showt...threadid=40200 __________________ 2003 3.8 Mineral Gray, MAC CAI, K&N, Chin Spoiler

04-08-2004, 07:37 PM	#3
buddha Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Washington, MO Posts: 327	Supercharging is realatively easy to install and less costly than turbos. But........turbos are way cool, make gobs of power at low RPM, and not as many people run them. Spend some time around both types of cars and a possible ride. That may help you decide. If I could have another power adder car, it would definately have a turbo on it! __________________ 93' Cobra with a cogged NOVI 2k, R331

04-08-2004, 07:43 PM	#4
mustangII460 Factoy Five Roadster Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sevier Co,Tennessee Posts: 1,681	Heres my angle. Ive debated turbo/super charger for about the last few years. I just helped a friend fix 3 cracked pistons. He was running a 1991 5.0 forged pistons,bla, bla , bla, and 12lbs of boost. 457 RWHP. Now, he originally spent around 3500 to get the supercharger on and dyno'd. For about that money you can buy a built motor with no charger and have one hellava motor, without the stress. Still yet, I figured run a 6lb charger. But I'd still be out alot of money that could have been spent on a sweet longblock. My conclusion was to save some money for a built 5.0 running fuel injection and not worrying about the side effects of the charger. __________________ Frank

04-09-2004, 03:00 PM	#5
mustardjohn Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Orange, TX Posts: 360	Turbo installed, dyno'd, with chip etc etc etc is between $4000 and $5000. But the horse power gain is quite substantial and as said already said they generate low rpm power. Most superchargers need to be toward the top end before they do much which is fine for drag racing. __________________ 2003 3.8 Mineral Gray, MAC CAI, K&N, Chin Spoiler

04-10-2004, 08:53 PM	#6
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	Turbo if you can afford it. If not you can't hardley go wrong with a S-trim -Josh, aka the tireburner __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

04-11-2004, 06:17 PM	#7
refriedbeancounter Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dana Point, CA Posts: 7	I built a twin turbo setup on an 86 with just junkyard parts for less than $500. It ran 10's. Everyone said it could not be done because of speed density. I proved them wrong. It's not that hard. Look for the Garrett turbos from the pre-87 tbirds or from an SVO(harder to find in a junkyard). The turbo Dodge's are good too but have smaller turbine housings. There are a hundred ways to add more fuel. Just get a good A/F gauge and don't ever go lean under boost. I welded three DSM intercoolers together for a nice flowing cooler. You can have a lot of fun for not a lot of money if you use your head.

04-12-2004, 01:37 PM	#9
NoSlow5.0 YOU HAVE NO MARBLES!!!!!! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Jonesboro,Georgia,USA (Providence, Ri) Posts: 868	Hair dryers are cool! Another vote for turbo. Super chargers can be purchased cheaper and installed and tuned easier, but if you can find the correct turbo for your application, a system can be pieced together for a relatively small sum and make retarded power. Light Em Up!! __________________ My 87 GT....Marbles....The one and only O.G.!!! AIM: Marbles87Fox Light Em Up!!!

04-12-2004, 03:59 PM	#11
mustangII460 Factoy Five Roadster Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sevier Co,Tennessee Posts: 1,681	tireburner: ($3500 bucks for the supercharger and to have it dyno tuned.) Plus his motor ( NOT A STOCK MOTOR) quote mustangII460: "1991 5.0 forged pistons,bla, bla , bla, and 12lbs of boost. 457 RWHP." Am I missing your point? __________________ Frank

04-13-2004, 01:10 AM	#13
Capri306 Moderator Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA Posts: 1,001	Just from personal experience, as in fixing my friends' cars, I have two schools of thought on this. Correctly tuned and with a properly-built engine, either choice will work fine. Typically, you have to get up into the upper rev range to make good use of the supercharger. Turbos, as stated previously, give you that "oomph" almost right off the line, but seem to make everything underhood run a bit hotter (duh, you're using exhaust gas to drive an impeller). A good friend of mine did a custom twin turbo on his '89 LX, and GOD did that thing put me back in the seat!!! However, the engine was questionably rebuilt, and the blowoff valves stuck shut on a couple of runs. Ended up that ~14psi was too much for it to handle, on top of the rod bearings getting trashed. Fun for only a while, but it made a believer out of me. His was created with junkyard parts (I think two 2.3L turbos), and a talented welder. Then you look at something like Dan's car. That thing accelerated like a ******' demon outta hell even with a slipping clutch! I think it was a good engine combo, because even when the engine wasn't in boost territory it was horrendously torquey. If I had the time, I'd go with twin turbos on a 357. If I had the money, I'd go with a Paxton NOVI 2000 on a 351W/427. __________________ Capri306, Moderator The Mustang Works Online 1979 Mercury Capri 1987 5.0L Mustang LX Notchback 1993 5.8L Eddie Bauer Bronco

04-13-2004, 07:23 AM	#14
RBatson Registered Member Join Date: May 1997 Posts: 3,028	Well, how about heads, cam, intake and a 150 shot of Nitrous? Then you would have a strong daily driver and use the nitrous when you race on the weekends. A turbo is more efficient than a supercharger but it can cost quite a bit more. Personally, if I were to do it again.. I'd start with the motor first and then add a power adder.

04-13-2004, 05:35 PM	#15
mustangII460 Factoy Five Roadster Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sevier Co,Tennessee Posts: 1,681	tireburner: After he removed the charger Id say he still has 300 to the wheels. Don't know for sure. If he dumped back in the price of the charger Id say he'd be back up in the 400HP easy. I never said the same power could be made with the same money. Only that you can still have a hellava motor without a turbo or charger. My friend probably had 4k in the motor already. I hav't to be missing something in your or my post because Im totally lost now. __________________ Frank

04-13-2004, 08:20 PM	#16
xxxBlakexxx Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mountaintop, PA Posts: 634	Nitrous - $500 Money left in the bank - $2000 Or, take a hot chick on a cruise. __________________ "Children should not get cancer, but they do!" Help a child with cancer at www.homeoftheirown.org My Stang: 2000 Mustang GT Vert - Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter; C&L Plenum; BBK 75 mm TB; Steeda Strut Tower Supports; Black "Deep Dish" Bullet Wheels; FRPP 4.10's; Steeda Subframes; SLP Catback & SLP Catted X-Pipe; SCT 4 Position Chip with 3 custom tunes; Steeda CAI; Venom-1000 Nitrous; Roush Stage 3 Body Kit; Bullet Suspension Package (on the way)

04-13-2004, 09:14 PM	#17
mustangII460 Factoy Five Roadster Join Date: May 2000 Location: Sevier Co,Tennessee Posts: 1,681	You know Nitrous is a viable option here. It does the bigest bang for the buck. __________________ Frank

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