Vin Diesel
 

Oh man, hanging out at my friends house the other night drinking, that stupid add for Triple X comes on. My girlfriend blurts out "Vin Diesels the hottest man on earth, if he wanted me, I would jump on him in a second"

God that pissed me off!@ What she really likes is the characters he plays in the movies...

No big deal, just bitching a little bit.

Skyler

What's funny is all these girls like him, but I've heard he's gay.:confused:

no he's is hot, but thats about where his theatrical talent ends. Deisel is the van damn of new school toughguys. that movies gonna blow ,because its isn't anything else you've never seen before. its going to be every other, espionage-bond-esqe secret-agent movie complete with witty one liners an cliche euro-trash villians except with more expensive quick camera cuts, an slicker women an cars...how could it not blow, its from the producers of the fast an the furious? tell me you actually thought that was a well done movie, an i'll sell ya a bridge in brooklyn i got.

the only movie he's ok in is Saving Private Ryan because he' jus on screen long enough to get a bit annoying, an then he dies.

hollywood is so devoid of any original ideas now a days they've had to resort to using bad sitcoms, cartoons, an tired over used storylines to make a film.

its sad that its taken us lil over 200 years to exhaust any and all orginal ideas in motion picture making.

well i dont think its just hollywood being annoying...commercials are too...i SERIOUSLY want to start a petition or something to get that damn old navy commercial off the air..."heres the story of a shirt named rugby"...i literally CHANGE the channel when that comes on...and i doubt im the only one....whoever makes these commercials needs to be fired or disfigured...lol

Vin Diesel's a fudge Packer.. enough said

Bradley

Vin Diesel is a typical pansy trying to be cool. He gets some gym muscles, shaves his head, inks himself with the typical tribal type tattoos and BLAMMO! 100% Instant Hollywood Hunk :rolleyes:

He is Hollywood's answer to the X games craze...a studio "tuff guy" that chicks can crap themselves over, and little boys can imitate. Sorry, but some of the strongest, toughest guys I know don't have cheesy tats nor do they need stupid catch phrases...Mr. Diesel would have to act his *** off to be a TRUE hero.

last time i saw XXX as a movie title there were men in long coats seated throughout the theater...hrmm...

at least this one doesnt praise imports though...

For some reason women love him. It is as much as mystery as why N'Sync is still alive.

The only decent movie he had a big role in was 'Boiler Room'. That was before his tough guy days.

I'm not sure whatever happened to real tough guys, like Connery, Eastwood, and of course Wayne(rip), but its sad there aren't people like that anymore.

XXX, sounds like a dirty movie, and it will probably fall into what would have been considered "soft" 15 years ago. Heck, most of primetime does anyway. I almost would go see it, just to see how bad it actually will be. Of course, I'd rather sit in the GT and stare blankly at the wall of my garage. I'd come away smarter anyway.

i thought Pitch Black was a neat movie. he played a role that makes him. everyone just thinks of the fast and furious and then they go from there. tuff and macho, what else did you people expect? hey, the box office does good with him around! he sells. as for his acting, its ok. not the greatest, but not the worst either. havent seen XXX yet. i want to see it just because it has a kick asz Goat in it.:D
http://members.fortunecity.com/jamie...ee/vin/vd5.jpg

John Wayne could kick Vin Diesel arse any day :(

in that movie where he was a stock broker guy was cool...can't remember the name right now...

Were you one of those men? :p :D
and yeh I'm sure glad they don't have imports but from the creators of Fast and Furious they probably ruin domestic old cars to make them look crappy. I know nothing good can come from those producers. :rolleyes:

None the less I'll probably go see it,
but I won't clap at the end. :D
§am.

Ohh.. as for Vin Diesel I ditto him being a Fudge Packer. lol

one of those men? i started that trend! bwuahaha! :p:p:D....course ive only been 18 for 2 months...lol...:rolleyes:

hahaha... lol My b-day is coming up 2 months and 7 days. I sure can't wait. I can buy all the porn I want. lol :D j/k who needs to buy Porn when ya got the net. lol :D j/k I always have Car Magaizes with me and I just reffer it to as my car porn. :D

§am.

All of them hollywood pretty boys are fags. Have you ever been there that place if full of nothing but fags. That is how they get into the movie industry. Before i get bashed not everyone in hollywood is gay is the pretty boy types. I wish some of the true tough guys where back myself. There is nothing like watching a Good clint eastwood western. Those are some of the best.

And Sky yeah i think that was pretty messed up thing for your g/f to say. Next time you see a hot chick on tv say o man i would love to bang her and make you watch and see what she says. She only deserves it if you ask me.

I agree...I thought people quit with the celebrity leg humping in high school...

I mean, I'm one of those "wierdos" that thinks if I'm going to be in a relationship, I want that person to be EVERYTHING, to the point that I don't even shop around. But even barring that (because I know 9/10 people think that checking out the goods as long as you don't touch is still ok), checking out a famous icon is just that...you're drooling over an IMAGE. You don't even know anything about them, how do you even know you could dig that person?? They could smell REALLY BAD, or pick their nose in traffic or something :rolleyes:

You always know the right thing to say. :D lol
I agree very much, it's one thing to say ohh... he's cute but to say you'd go with him in a flash.... I dunno then. I would try it to your g/f, rent a movie where there is a intement scene between a guy and a girl or even 2 girls. :D And say "Boy I wish I was that guy" and see what she says. But I wouldn't get yourself to wound up over this, aslong as she loves you and you keep her away from Vin Diesel then you should both be fine.

§am.

Vin diesel isnt gay. Jealousy Owns You all. LMAO

He's a fag.

I'm not trying to be all over his jock but you guys dont know jack about Vin. He isn't exactly a "typical pansy with gym muscles trying to be cool". He worked for over 10 years as a bouncer in new york(gotta be tough as nails for that job) and a few more years as a bodyguard. He just recently started acting. I wouldn't call him a true hero but he's a pretty damn tough guy.

its true that he isnt a hero, no actor really is....a person needs to be more than just an actor to be a hero...but im gunna go with dark on this one and say were all jealous..lol...vin got a damn lucky break to star in a few movies, some girls swoon for him (bleh says MY gf...hehe), but he still gets to make his millions....and hell if i got an offer to jump on tv and drive some damn ricer cars, look big and bad and make a few million...well id be off and people would be jealous of me...hehe....course then id be the one you guys call a fag...but oh well...

Speak for yourself!! :D I'm NOT jealous of paparazzi, being typecast, and losing my privacy ;) I gotta stick to my guns and say that the ONLY cool bouncer turned movie star is, and will always be...


MR. T !!!

:D

no, its really quite simple. whether they will admit it or not, women dig muscles. i wont say _all_ women do, but at least a large percentage do. before i started working out i was 140 pounds and i couldnt get the time of day from most women. i was insignificant and might as well have been invisible to the fairer sex. since going to the gym and packing on 60 solid pounds its a totally different story. i went from not being able to get a date (i really couldnt get a date), to having a full dating calendar and the only thing thats any different is the amount of muscle mass i had compared to what i have now.

i still laugh when i hear women say they just want a "sensitive" man. bull. :-)

ouch....thats a bit insensitive isnt it? im totally heterosexual and i too used to be a homo-phobe. the years have taught me tolerance for people that are "different" from me. so long as it isnt flaunted in front of my face, i dont care who or what you go to bed with.

anyway, im not trying to be on a high horse or anything....i just noticed your post and realized you probably offended a lot of good people that might read it that happen to have different lifestyles.

60lbs!!! You went from 140 to 200? What did you eat?? How long did that take.

I used to be a nice 175, but since a broke my wrist my body has since devoured all my muscle, I hate it! IM down to 159 now.

Ugh.

Skyler

i didnt mean to give you the wrong impression. it took solid dedication to go from 140 to 200 pounds but i did it without juicing. it took about 8 years of training to overcome my genetics but ive finally done it. if i get sick or injured i lose weight FAST as my body tries to get back down to my "natural" weight of 140, but when i start training again i put the weight back on almost as fast as it came off. as for diet, i eat a _lot_ of dead cow. :-)

Ahh same with me, it sucks! My body is trying to shed everything I worked so hard for, it wants to get down to 150! Damn thing. I know the hard work man.

SKyler

Jealous? I think not..... The ONLY thing Vin's got on me is $$$$......and that'll all change in a few years, trust me. (Devilish laugh).

Actually, either you are dating women that care about nothing than your phyisque (shallow) or by building your "muscles", you gained confidence in yourself...which is what is TRULY attractive to women, not the bulk of your flesh :rolleyes:

Many women nowadays (as I'm sure most of you men know) are pretty insecure, and are always complaining about "wah, Im fat", "whine, Im ugly" etc etc. To find a man that perhaps we can learn to be confident from is a real find. Hell, even men find women that are more confident more attractive, even if they aren't as attractive as the girl next to them who is meek and insecure. I mean, the LAST thing a chick needs is a guy who whines as much as them :D I can pretty much say for sure that you radiated more confidence with a better body (which is natural) and that is probably what really attracted the chicks in the end.

BTW: Most people on Mustangworks aren't easily offended, and we can pretty much speak freely without having to worry about "PCness" overrunning our boards ;)

Nathan:

We don't play the PC game here so sensitivity to homosexuals isn't an issue. People have opinions and most hetrosexual young men don't appreciate homosexuals or the 'lifestyle' and aren't afraid to say so.

My view is that if one chooses to live a life that is 180 degrees opposed to 95% of the populatuion (hetrosexuals) then you have to expect a few problems in your life. Homosexuals are legally protected above anyone else - based on a sexual behavior - and the PC mentality would force us to abandon our First Amendment protections and never say a negative word about homosexuals (while Christians are fair game). That's absurd and won't happen here.

Like you, most folks do not care - or want to know - what others do in their bedrooms, but the homosexual 'community' chooses to force the issue in every way possible, including introducing homosexual-centered 'education' into public schools and attempting to force churches to abandon thousands of years of Christian doctrine and embrace practicing homosexuals as priests and leaders. That kind of activism will generate resistance and opposition and is to be expected in a free society. Fortunately, most folks - on MW and elsewhere - confine their distaste for homosexual practices to words, not actions.

The point here is that Vin Diesel plays a tough guy in his latest films and apparently, rumors have him as gay - as are a great many actors.

I have no idea of Diesel's actual sexual 'orientation' and don't care but when a guy's girlfriend squeals out her admiration for this actor and her willingness to have sex with him - while her boyfriend sits next to her - attacks on the actor's manhood are almost inevitable, even if untrue.


Note to Sky:

Talk is cheap so I would turn the tables (as previously suggested) and when a 'hot babe' shows up on TV, remark - in the girlfriends presence - that you would looooove to (fill in the blank) with her. The reaction should be interesting. Your comeback should be: "Remember Vin Diesel"? If she claims she was just kidding, say: "So was I". If she claims to have forgotten what she said (likely), you can reply: "I haven't". Hopefully, none of this will happen and this was just a moment of foolishness on her part.

either way, the bottom line is that after packing on muscle i was able to date women that before would never even speak to me......so its not a surprise to me that vin diesel is popular with the ladies.

So uh.... what if the girlfriend says, " so would I honey she is cute !!" then what do ya do? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Just thought I'd put in my .02:)

im sorry, i just dont consider tolerance to be part of the "pc game". there is a _lot_ of room between common social decency and being politically correct. again, im not trying to take the high road or judge _anyone_.....it just surprised me to see such statements on one of the friendliest boards ive found in a long time.



that is a very common misconception. there is no "choice" involved in the matter. you are born straight, you are born gay, or you are born both ways. its not something you choose to do like picking out the shirt youll wear that day. i didnt "choose" to love women anymore than one of my older brothers "chose" to love men <shudder>. i dont embrace his lifestyle, i dont accept his lifestyle, but i do tolerate his lifestyle. i dont like what he does.....in fact it disgusts me to think about it.....but ive grown to accept him and love him as my brother regardless of what he does when the lights are out. i dont want to hear about it, i dont want to know about it, and in return im not going to insult him or put him down because of it. he has been homosexual since we were little boys playing superfriends in the woods. at 4 i was superman, while he at 6 was always wonder woman, for example.

years ago i was very ignorant towards anything that differed from my own lifestyle. i was against homosexual couples, i was against interracial couples, i was against anything that i didnt consider "normal". since then ive grown up and i realize that life is tough enough.....and if youre lucky enough to find someone to love, that loves you in return, im happy for you regardless of who that person is.



please quote me any law in any state that protects homosexuals above anyone else.



im one of the most politically incorrect people youll ever meet. i just dont consider basic decency to be PC.



hey, im with you there! its for that exact reason that i will not allow my own children to attend public schools. it so important to me that i pay enough in tuition that i could easily be paying for a viper.

please dont get the wrong idea here. im not trying to support the homosexual community's agenda....im not trying to force acceptance on anyone. i was just surprised by the nature of the post, thats all.

lol...my little brother and i used to play dress up in my mom's clothes and play with barbies (waayyyyy wayyyy wayyyy back..lol) but i'm madly in love with my girlfriend (and would never give up females...*whistles*..hehe)...and my little brother might as well have dated every girl he could see before sticking to his current girlfriend.....my best friend when i was younger was a girl too...so just cuz he played wonder woman didnt show key signs of homosexuality...mmmmkay? :D...course i really dont know how to react to being born into a lifestyle....i prefer the idea that life it what you make of it...i dont like to hear about fate and such, id rather make my own decisions, or at least think i am....course im far from being a neurologist and knowing if people are born with different tendencies....but i will stick to "people are as they are from their past experiences and upbringing"...and i have some very good examples....but its far off topic...

im trying to spark a controversial debate....just tossing in my own two cents...i always try to respect what other people think...

HOLD THE PRESSES
 

OK , wait a second before any one responds to this give me a min. ta grab a brew this is gonna be a good one *** hey PKRWUD toss me a cold one***

:D

My liver thanks you all for waiting
Ok MR 50 you have the floor.
==Disclamer==
I'm not trying to turn this debate into a joke or anything so please dont get me wrong, as I am shure to learn alot I just want to enjoy it .http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies...om/Lurking.gif

that was but one example of a lifetime of experiences that convinces me he was born gay. you say that you dont believe in "fate" or not having a choice about hings....so according to that logic you could make yourself enjoy being with a man? i sure couldnt....i was born heterosexual and as such i dont have choice in it. im glad because i would hate to miss out on the sensual tenderness of a woman.....but the point remains.

All I have to say is.....MMMMMM VIN !!!!!!!! okay I feel better now!:p

but i also believe that you are affected by everything that happens to you...you and your brother have not experienced the same things...my younger brother and i were different by the age of 7 or 8...cuz he was affected by our moving around a lot more cuz of the grades he was in, he he was a little slower in learning and so developed into a bit more of a pain in the ***, and hung out with the wrong kids, etc...took some drastic changes from my parents to straighten him....hes the one out of the 3 that is like that....so maybe something happened in school along the way...he was made fun of for liking the WW costume more and so he was then stereotyped as "gay" by the kids...who knows...its years of activity that forms your life...

i certainly couldnt enojy the company of a man sexually...but i believe thats because its how we were raised...if you were raised in a world where homosexuality was most common (like heterosexuality now) then we would probably both be gay...but we were formed by our society...like i said...i try not to believe in fate...id rather believe that I AM making decisions that affect me...not that there is a greater force compelling me, or that it was chosen before i did it....at any time before an "exit" you can take it...its up to you if you want that path...if this was a homosexual world your brother might be heterosexual...who knows...lol...remember im not saying your views are wrong, just that i chose to live my life with different beliefs....

Tolerance
 

Originally posted by StreetPony

im sorry, i just dont consider tolerance to be part of the "pc game". there is a _lot_ of room between common social decency and being politically correct. again, im not trying to take the high road or judge _anyone_.....it just surprised me to see such statements on one of thefriendliest boards ive found in a long time.

Ah, 'tolerance'. Favorite word of the homosexual crowd that usually means, "You straights must not only accept our sexual perversions but defend them, and if you don't, we'll instantly brand you as bigots, 'homophobes' and haters. Now, shut up!

That's often the homosexuals idea of tolerance, as opposed to the hetros idea of simply live and let live which is what is generally represented on this board.

That is a very common misconception. there is no "choice" involved in the matter. you are born straight, you are born gay, or you are born both ways. its not something you choose to do like picking out the shirt youll wear that day.

You regurgitate the homo's propaganda very well. They would probably not call you a bigot. How nice.

I've studied this subject and there is no 'gay gene' and yes, it is a choice one makes based on a variety of reasons which are too complex to get into on a Mustang messageboard. You are welcome to buy the homosexual propaganda and restate it as fact but that doesn't make it any less untrue. Claiming that "We can't help it" eliminates all personal responsibility and allows the homosexual to claim 'victim' status. Very convenient. Very false, too.

years ago i was very ignorant towards anything that differed from my own lifestyle. i was against homosexual couples, i was against interracial couples, i was against anything that i didnt consider "normal". since then ive grown up and i realize that life is tough enough.....and if youre lucky enough to find someone to love, that loves you in return, im happy for you regardless of who that person is.

Yes, I'm certain you've matured - as we all do. However, before you strain your hand patting yourself on the back for your open-mindedness, remember that your idea of maturity - accepting anything and everything as O.K - is very easy to do. You're for everything and against nothing, except what? Poverty. racism and war? How noble....and how naive and simplistic.

Yes, life is tough enough and no one here advocates stoning or harrassing homosexuals. Not liking or instantly approving of their behavior is not quite the same thing, is it? Ridicule of a perversion that repels most men is natural, inserting sexual organs where they were never meant to be is unnatural and we still have a right to opinions in this country. That includes you.

please quote me any law in any state that protects homosexuals above anyone else.

You make this way too easy.

O.K., Click here:

http://www.adl.org/99hatecrime/intro.html

Now, look to the left-hand side of the screen and click on 'State Hate Crime Laws' for your state - or mine, Connecticut. We have a bunch of them related to homosexuals. You hit me, it's simple assault, maybe six months in jail. You hit a homo, it's a 'Hate Crime' and the penalty is much harsher...for the same crime, just because the person hit practices sodomy (is homosexual).

im one of the most politically incorrect people youll ever meet. i just dont consider basic decency to be PC.

Please don't flatter yourself quite so much. The members of Mustang Works are easily as 'decent' as you purport to be but if you can't find humor - or irony - in the possibility of a macho actor being a homo, well then, we can't help you.

please dont get the wrong idea here. im not trying to support the homosexual community's agenda....im not trying to force acceptance on anyone. i was just surprised by the nature of the post, thats all.

O.K. I'll take you at your word but this is a site that celebrates Mustangs and is comprised mostly of young adult males who find homosexuality a subject of ridicule. That is their right.

You made a spirited desfense of 'tolerating' homosexuals but you also make the common error of equating disapproval, even ridicule of homosexual acts, as bigotry and insensitivity. It isn't. Having some guy in a dress and make-up with a sign saying 'We're Queer and We're Here' while screaming 'homophobe' at anyone who even dares to wince at his outrageous behavior offends me. I've seen this. It isn't pleasant.

The homosexual 'community' have a very well-polished public image which you obviously have totally bought into. Fine, but I haven't. I've read their propaganda and I see what they really want. It certainly isn't the passive acceptance you so freely offer but a total legal and social acceptance that trancends your casual tolerance. That isn't healthy and it isn't cute. I oppose it while accepting the individual homosexual person as a citizen with the same rights as you and I and the same privacy, too. Unfortunately, homosexuals seem to want to bring their sexual lives onto the public stage in many cases so any claims to privacy are rather hollow.

Homosexuals - as a group - demand a lot more than just your 'acceptance' and are getting it too, including more and more inclusion in public schools. Ever heard of NAMBLA? The North American Man-Boy Love Association. Pedophiles united as a group that are trying to lower the age of sexual consent to 12 in many states, including Massachusetts. Still tolerant?

I don't want to belabor the point but there is a lot more to homosexuality than simple 'tolerance'. Homosexuals have had 'tolerance' for 20 years. When was the last time someone was arrested for sodomy? They are well-represented in media and popular culture (TV, movies). They generally have a higher income level than the average man of the same age. Homosexuals have all the 'tolerance' they can get. It's license they desire and are well on the way to getting from our society.

Your easy acceptance of others is touching but please don't attempt to equate race issues with sexual issues. It's a bad match. Homos stole the mantle of the '60's Civil Rights movement and now play the victim. I don't buy it.

I 'accept' homosexuals as well as other races and cultures but that doesn't mean that I can't make a joke about them or dislike some aspect of their 'culture'. If you are so easily shocked by young men ridiculing homosexuality in a muscle-bound actor who plays tough guys onscreen, then you really need to get out more in the real world where hetrosexual men who love women still have a hard time understanding other men that are attracted to some hairy guys butt. It's not a difficult concept.

Think 'unnatural'.

There you go.

Re: Tolerance
 

Originally posted by Mr 5 0
That's the homosexuals idea of tolerance

your example of "tolerance" is not even similar to what i expressed. dont attempt to use the mantra of the gay extremists with what i meant when i used tolerance. every group has extremists. there are feminist extremists, civil rights extremists, abortion/anti-abortion extremists.....etc. you cannot judge an entire group of _any_ people by the extremists who share the same cause.
i realize its easy to quote the extremists views and statements in an attempt to add credibility to your own argument but i am calling shenanigans in this instance because the extremist view of "tolerance" has absolutely nothing to do with mine.


as opposed to the hetros idea of simply live and let live which is what is generally represented on this board


you appear to be a bit confused here. i am the one saying live and let live, you are saying its ok to get your jollies at the expense of others, and youre attempting to justify it using the "boys will be boys" type explanation.

You regurgitate the homo's propaganda very well. They would probably not call you a bigot. How nice.

and you regurgitate the religous bible belt propaganda quite well. i seriously doubt you have _any_ experience with homosexuals. i seriously doubt you have _any_ gay friends (or that you know are gay anyway). i seriously doubt you know anything about homosexuals other than what theyve told you to think and believe in church.......yet you preach about it as if you know it.

I have studied this subject

do tell me the courseware that you studied. id like to read this same material that has pitifully misinformed you. its not about a "gay gene". some people are more feminine than others, and some more masculine. some go to the extreme in the opposite direction....it happens. homosexuality is as old as mankind and is well documented all throughout the bible you obviously read.

i on the other hand have studied this subject in a university sponsored study. no moralistic preconceptions, just pure unadulterated data by which to compare all the variables in homosexuals and heterosexuals alike.

it is a choice one makes based on a variety of reasons which are too complex to get into on a Mustang messageboard.

please dont cop out on my like that. dont make a statement and then refuse to back it up by claiming its too complex. this is obviously the forum discussing off topic material, so id like to see your explanation. do tell me what you know that i dont know having grown up with a homosexual brother.

remember that your idea of maturity - accepting anything and everything as O.K - is very easy to do.

if youre going to make things up as you go along there is little point in continuing farther. i have never suggested in any way that accepting anything and everything is ok.

You're for everything and against nothing, except what? Poverty. racism and war?

there you go again. <sigh>. i have never said that im for everything. i have never said that i am against nothing.

Not liking or instantly approving of their behavior is not quite the same thing, is it?

<sigh>...there you go yet again. i never said anybody had to "like" it. i never said that anyone had to "approve" of anything. you do however, have to tolerate it. that is the beauty of this country in which we live. you dont have to like your neighbor, but you must tolerate him.

please stick with what ive said and stop trying to make up my statements as you go along.

Ridicule of a perversion that repels most men is natural

i agree.....but do you walk around in public ridiculing homosexuals? i highly doubt you do. if vin diesel were indeed a homosexual and you met him on the street, would you do your natural ridicule of him? of course not.
when i joined this board i dont recall ever reading that this board limits its membership to heterosexuals only. id bet anything that at least 10% of the members of this board are homosexual with another 15% or so having tendencies. no, they wont speak up against ignorance because they know how outnumbered they are. no, they wont speak up against ignorance because they dont want to be treated any differently than they are now. but it doesnt change a thing.


inserting sexual organs where they were never meant to be is unnatural

<shudder>.....as much as that image disgusts me, for the homosexuals themselves it is a natural act!

and we still have a right to opinions in this country. That includes you.

agreed. but trying to pass of your religious right wing beliefs as scientific fact is irresponsible at best.

for your state - or mine, Connecticut.

yup..... BIBLE BELT! :-)

We have a bunch of them related to homosexuals. You hit me, it's simple assault, maybe six months in jail. You hit a homo, it's a 'Hate Crime' and the penalty is much harsher...for the same crime, just because the person hit practices sodomy (is homosexual).

your statement was that homosexuals are protected more than the rest of us and here is why your example does not prove your statement. you as a white heterosexual male (i assume) are also protected by those same hate crime laws! if somebody hits you, that is assault. if they hit you because you are white, it is also a hate crime!

Don't flatter yourself so much. The members of Mustang Works are easily as 'decent' as you

cut the crap already. i havent placed myself above anyone.

purport to be but if you can't find humor - or irony - in the possibility of a macho actor being a homo, then we can't help you.

stay on topic here. finding humor in the whole thing is one thing. objecting to the insensitivity of referencing him as a "fag" on a public forum open to one an all is an entirely different matter.

O.K. I'll take you at your word but this is a site that celebrates Mustangs and is comprised mostly of young adult males who find homosexuality a subject of ridicule. That is their right.

theres youre "boys will be boys" argument again. im not trying to change anyone, im not trying to force anything on anybody. again, i was simply surprised by potentially offensive material on a public, moderated forum.


You made a spirited desfense of homosexuals but you also make the common error of equating disapproval, even ridicule of homosexual acts, as bigotry and insensitivity.

the reference of "fag" is the only thing i have called into question. ridicule at the expense of others is indeed insensitivity at best.


Having some guy in a dress and make-up with a sign saying 'We're Queer and We're Here' while screaming 'homophobe' at anyone who even dares to wince at his outrageous behavior offends me.

as it would me.....but you simply cannot hold all homosexuals in the same light as the extremists.


The homosexual 'community' have a very well-polished public image which you obviously have totally bought into.

dont hand me that crap. i formed my opinions about my brother being born gay long before there even was a homosexual community agenda.

It isn't the passive acceptance you offer but a total legal and social acceptance that trancends your casual tolerance.

wrong! all i have asked for is tolerance. period. how can i ask anyone to accept something that i dont even accept? i havent. youre putting that into my argument to add credibility to yours but it just is not accurate with anything i have said.

Unfortunatly, homosexuals seem to want to bring their sexual lives onto the public stage in many cases so any claims to privacy are rather hollow.

i agree....but again.....you simply cannot hold all homosexuals accountable for the acts of the extremists.

Ever heard of NAMBLA? The North American Man-Boy Love Association. Pedophiles united as a group that are trying to lower the age of consent to 12 in many states, including Massachusetts.

i find it appauling that you would attempt to associate nambla with typical homosexuals. it is all too typical of the southern bible belt propoganda machine.

Your easy acceptance of others is touching but please don't attempt to equate race issues with sexual issues.

they are indeed the same! you cannot help your sexual orientation anymore than you can help the race you were born into. oppression is oppression and i am quite the expert on oppressions of all forms. as a former member of the 7th special forces group i spent a total of many years of my life in honduras, nicaraqua, even equador and many other places where i spent every day trying to squash oppression with my own two hands whenever possible.

ironically, while there were other factors involved, i got out of the military when bill clinton opened it up to homosexuals. i did not wish to be placed in a position of serving in combat with someone that might find me sexually appealing. i didnt gripe about it or ridicule anyone.....i got out and i moved on.

I 'accept' homosexuals as well as other races and cultures but that doesn't mean that I can't make a joke about them or dislike some aspect of their 'culture'.

thats fine and well but when you use labels that hurt others, youre no longer a friendly public forum.


then you really need to get out more in the real world

lol.....you couldnt possibly appreciate the irony of that statement. it is because of the time i spent in the "real world", all over the "real world", that i learned tolerance for others who were different from me.


where hetrosexual men who love women still have a hard time understanding other men that are attracted to some hairy guys butt.

i have a hard time trying to understand how men could be attracted to one another......but i dont ridicule them because im not afraid of them anymore.

i could care less if vin diesel is gay or not, im ugly, wiegh 130lbs, but im a man., if everyone were gay, hello, no more human's would be born, horse's dont sleep with cow's, i'll take women for 1,000 alex.:D :D :rolleyes:

Ding Ding !!
 

Ok players. thats the end of round 1 so lets take a T.V. time out and return with round #2 . Remember, all insults to education are worth doudle in this round but a personal shot will cost you 1/2 of your final score!:p



( Hey where's the beer boy?)

Re: Tolerance
 

...south park is all i need to say

lol

Re: Re: Tolerance
 

umm...so if you say that there is no "gay gene" yourself, how can one be BORN a homosexual?...you just said that some men are more masculine and some are more feminine and that "it happens"...well do you know why "it happens"?...people tend to lean to the more fem. or masc. side because of split parents....if you are a male spending more time around your mom (or other females) then you tend to be more feminine...like i said..my best friend as a young child was a girl, she had a sister, i went out with my mom all the time, and im more sensitive than my brothers who didnt hang out with girls young, or our mother....im still not homosexual though...i just have some extra tendancies that my mom would have instead of my dad (like shopping around, which is harmless)....EVERYTHING that happens to you as a child shapes who you are right now....at least the basic form of you, more complex characteristics are formed by latter experiences when the brain has developed and can remember, learn...so being homosexual IS a formed preference, not one born into....

What Happen to Vin???
 

Could we please get on the better subject.....Like......VIN DIESEL!!!!!!!

SRV has to behave, but the LEADER makes his own rules...
 

Mr 5.0 PM's me because and tells me my behavior is unacceptable here at Mustang Works and then he pulls this sh*t!! you are a jerk! PERIOD! you dont know squat about Stangs, religion(other than your own that you only beliefs in your little mind it is the only true religion out there) and people. your handy dandy search engines cant give you all the answers MR 5.0. you twist everyones statements around and you NEVER admit when you are wrong!

i never seen more of a closed minded person on this board than Mr 5.0.

STREETPONY, i do agree mostly what you said, but i do think the gay community likes to get the public's attention now these days. things are way different than the 70's. homosexuals have names for us heterosexuals. they call us breeders:mad: now if i where to call him a fag in public, what do you thing would happen?

in no way do i think you are implying "gayness" on anyone. you are just stateing the facts of your life and the personal experience that you have with your brother. you know more of the facts than we do. a person here just flames you down cause you speak of your personal experiences and their homophobia kicks in and they dont know what to do.

i think gayness is wrong. i dont like any aspect of it. but i can be man enough to let them be as long as they let me be. its not my business what other people do, nor is it their business what i do. this is THE LAND OF THE FREE, so wouldnt that make me a hypocrite if i told them what they can and cant do? you might as well throw the amendments right out the window.

Jim, church on Sunday. DON'T BE LATE!!

oh as for Vin, he is just another actor(idiol) for the young crowd. it has happened before. nothing new. he will either succeed or fail. time will tell. as for him being gay, where is the infromation coming from? who told you? where did you read it? National Inquirer doesnt count. just my .02 cents....

Guys I dont mean to be the wet rag :( but "lets just get along". Like the old internet saying goes, if you argue on the internet and win its like the special olympics, no matter who wins your still retarded. (excuse me if I re-worded it) Guys this message board is for enjoyment, not like drunkenforums or hardcore forums flaming posts :mad: I'm sure the last thing everyone needs is to aruge on the internet... Set aside religious and political debates on a mustang message board for a sec guys and have fun ;)

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you know.....ive never heard that...youre right....to "argue" would be retarded...but i consider this thread to be a heated debate on a controversial issue....and those can be interesting...as long as we keep the cheap shots where rosie keeps her ab-roller....far far away....