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What do you think the most HP someone should have for a street drive?
I have a friend that is in love with hondas. Now dont get me wrong they do hold their own but i want to stomp all his friends. All they do all day long is talk trash on domestics. So i have a plan i am selling my truck, then getting a fox body and i want to get the car to push about 450-500 but alot of people say this is to much. I realy dont think so, what so you guys think?
O yea if you are interested in my truck its a 01 f-150 71000 miles lowered 3-4 short bos stepside. Looks like a lightining but with out the ground effects. It is a sport so the bumpers are red. O yea i am realy selling my truck so i can get out of all my payments and i am building the car with cash. :D |
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too much ponies - never !! ... :) not here - you may not need that many to stomp a ricer - er - i mean import - but they are great anywhay - they talk trash first - then go ahead and smoke 'em :) - while you're at it, finish the deal w/ some flowmasters and crossovers w/ 2 1/2" pipes !! :) - sure thay will give you no more gravey after taht !! .. ;)
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Yea, but i see alot of people around my area that i talk to and their daily drivers are only like 300hp. And i want a badest dailly driver around. I want it like 500 but i dont know why people dont drive with that much horses. Then again i want this motor to be old school, only a carb and that is it.
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Everyone says it's all how you build the rest of your car as to how much power you can use. Traction bars and tires...all the stuff to get the power to the ground...that will determine how much power you can use.
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300 RWHP makes a fast stang
400 RWHP makes a scary stang that will beat 90% of cars on the road 500 RWHP Makes an insanely fast stang and you will beat 99.9% of the cars on the road. |
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Then i think i am going to have to go with 450-500 hp. Do you guys know of any good sites to see some peoples built fox body cars?
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Lots of cars here in our User's Rides... http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/ Or, in the media center... http://media.mustangworks.com |
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I have a 1969 Dodge Superbee that puts out about 550hp. It only gets driving on weekends and nice days mainly because it's more or less a show car than a driver. But it's insane to drive on the street, still haven't come up against something that can take it not even a viper buts that’s only in a 1/4 mile race. I would love to a car every day with that much hp but the amount of fuel that thing goes through is ridicules. I remember saying who cares when I bought it but after putting $20 in every time I go for a cruise for about an hour it gets old pretty fast. Plus after everybody starts finding out your pushing 500hp nobody wants to race u anymore. But I know exactly where your coming from I have a 01 GT Convertible and looking to put a supercharger on it to bring it just under or around 400hp. That’s plenty for a street car you'll be right on a vipers ass if not beside him.( that will piss him off when he sees a mustang keeping up to his $130000 car)
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Where all of those rides yours? they were sweet. But as it looks right now at 400hp it should put me in the mif to high 11's so i thnk i am going to build it for about 450 and if i decide to get crazy then i will add a supercharger. YEA STOMP EVERYTHYING I CAN!!!!! lmas.
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There was a sign in an old speed shop that said: "speed costs money, how fast do you want to go?". When you go for more HP, normally aspirated, you get that power at a higher rpm and with less low end torque. Thus, you do trade drivability to get more HP. That means lower gearing (higher numerically).
The first thing you will need to decide is the CID or size of the engine you are willing to build. I'm assuming you will use a small block from 302 to 427 CID to go in the Fox body. If it was me, I'd try for a stroked 351 making 392. You can get that short block from Ford. Use AFR 185's and a single plane manifold with an 850 Holley or Demon. With the Ford roller cam that comes in that engine and long tube 1 3/4" headers, I think you will have about 450 HP. It won't be cheap though, so save your pennies. Rev |
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Cool, thanks for the info. I was accutally going towards a 302. And i want to be able to twist it high as i can. Like i said i want to make a bad a** street driver. This will be my daily driver. So i have my work cut out for me. But first i have to sell my truck.
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450-500rwhp is good :)
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If your going to build a daily driver, i would think you would want a power adder if you want up to your 500 hp goal. I would think it would be pretty rough around idle N/A.
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Just how streetable is a 500HP "daily driver"? It costs bucketloads of money to build that, maintain that, not to mention gas. It doesn't take 500 HP to beat ricers around here, most of them are beater 4 doors with stock wheels and a stupid wing and lots of stickers. There are a few surprises, but most of them are just running fart cans and stickers (and duct tape). 350-400 is more realistic for the daily driver to me. Hell, I would take 300 HP!
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With the correct parts, machine work, a blower, some dyno-time with a custom chip, and decent driving skills, anything is possible. Not to mention at least respectable fuel efficiency. Any good tuner knows that a street car that can get more horsepower more efficiently is the way to go, which is why -- as many others have in this thread before me -- I'd advise a blower. Dependent on numerous variables, I would venture to say you'd need around 14psi if you want to make a 302 put down that much horse. Keep in mind, 500hp is usually the magic number for 302 blocks to go snap!
BTW, it was Smokey Yunick (sp?) who said, "how fast can ya spend?"...or so I've been led to believe. I can tell you, riding in a car with anything over 500 horses feels like God's hand is pushing you down the road, if you can control it and your chassis is up to the task. As an example, look atproject Death Machine. Dan's car was from the 5th Circle of Hell when it had a slipping clutch, so I can only imagine what it's capable of now. LoL |
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Yea i am in dallas so there are some sick imports. So with the 5.0 they seem to give at about 500 hp? That is not good. But i have always heard that the 351 is a bad motor to build. So do you think that a 351 bored over would be better? and would it be cheaper? And how does it fit in a fox body? And i realy dont want to supercharge it right away but if that is the best bet i probally will. I am not worried about gas or how fast it goes though it. I own a truck now so i dont get the best mpg now.
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The 5.0 stock block will go for around 500 horsepower before it breaks. If you want to stay with a 302 block but want more than 500 horse, you should get a ford racing 302 block. They're alot stronger.
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Save yourself the heartache and money, and go with a 351W-based engine. Whoever told you a 351W is a bad choice for building upon must have been on methamphetamines. It's probably the single-best block to start a project on, and interchangability is nearly a non-issue when fitting them into Mustangs. I won't lie to you, there are some minor differences that need to be accounted for, but most of the time it's just a matter of selecting the correct parts and not performing extensive modifications.
A factory 351W block of 69-73 vintage is usually capable of handing around 700-800hp (some say more, but I like to low-ball) before needing some help to stay together. I have one of these blocks right now, and it's...shall we say, "beefier" than ANY 302 block I've encountered. |
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what are you guys thinkin ...500 hp for a street car? in my books anything above 375 or 350 is plenty.. even a car pushin 300 on the street is going to be a thing to deal with - you said you wanted to beat your friends hondas? get anything with a stock v8 and there you go. if you get the 5.0 just slap a supercharger on it and be done ...thats all you need on the street to be a bad mofo
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I'm of the opinion that the 351W is one of the biggest pieces of junk that Ford has ever made. If you don't need 700-800hp, why invest in a block capable of taking it? There is no reason to go to a 351W setup unless you plan on making more than 350hp N/A or more than 450hp with forced induction.
Almost every stock 351W ever built makes signficantly less power than the stock 5.0HO, and you'll have to make the exact same modifications to a 351W that you'll have to make to a 302. All the 351W represents is extra weight, extra money, and extra gas consumption. Oh, but you do get to grunt and act like a 351W under the hood is a significant upgrade. :rolleyes: Fat0eknee, the bone stock 03 Cobra's were making nearly 400hp. With only the slightest of mods, they were making 425-450. Stock LS1 F bodies were making nearly 350hp. The problem is not with the horsepower, but the vehicle in its entirety. I disagree strongly with a 375hp car being difficult to deal with. That has to do with the tires, brakes, body rigidity, and suspension system. A properly setup car will behave night and day different than a 400hp otherwise stock Fox body. |
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But he said he wanted an old school,carbureted, naturally aspirated 302, 500 HP daily driver fox body. It's possible, but it's going to cost a ton of $$$. Driveability on a daily basis is going to be a problem. You're probably talking about a car that won't idle under 1200 rpm, gets 6-8 mpg and overheats in a traffic jams.
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but how many cobras do you see on the road on a daily basis? cmon ..really - sure we'll squeeze another 40 ponies out of it with a lightning pulley but be reasonable thats not going to be his only competition |
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Sorry, I missed the carb comment. The carbed 450hp setup is a bad idea for a daily driver. Real bad. Carbed engines generally rev better and make more horsepower than their fuel injected bretheren when setup properly, but they sacrifice low end torque, fuel economy, and drivability.
He'll have to go with a 351 stroker (377ish) if he wants to make 450-500hp with a N/A carbed setup that's streetable, and it'll have to be a moderately aggressive setup at that. Fat0eknee I don't disagree that 400hp is unusual or more than you're going to be able to fully utilize on the street, just at the concept of the 400hp car being difficult to keep control of. The DOHC Cobra's, when supercharged, can make 450hp without much else done to them, and they maintain drivability, too. That being said, I do agree with you if he plans on going N/A and carbed. I had a Honda CR500 2-stroke dirt bike a year or so ago. Tons of power, but the powerband came in so quick it was difficult to keep under control. Same case with a 450hp N/A small block. Expensive as wack, too. |
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They are almost done with my brother in laws 90GT at pro-tech in Lubbock TX.
331 dart blocked turbo charged. It will make 650RWHP with the street tune and is capable of 800RWHP. This car will be a daily driver. :cool: I will be posting pics soon. |
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If you are going to go through an engine change you might as well just order a 514 from the Ford catalog. I think it has everything but a carb. Drop it in and you will have 650 HP. You wont have to deal with all that other crap.
By the way 500 hp is alot of power for a daily driver. I got about 500 with my 428 and i don't drive it except on weekends. It would be a real pain in the butt to drive everyday. It is alot of fun to have that much power but it is a very rough drive. You have to really stiffen your car up and it rattles everything htting bumps sucks bad. It really sucks bad to drive in the rain. i can't even count the number of times i spun out in the rain barley stepping on the gas. I suggest you get yourself some 500 dollar piece of $hit to drive around in then build your race car. |
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Man i have been looking at some cars and i just dont know. I am not all that concerened about stopping i will be upgrading my brakes to brembro or somthing in that area of interst. So my stopping wont be to bad. The main reason i want to go with N/A is to avoid all kinds of wireing harneses. If i could get away with a trotle body i would do that. The idleing on the street i dont think will bother me i like it for the most part. But i dont like to hear the word over heat and lots of money in the same sentance. What if i put a eletric water pump with an oversized radiator?
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R - you'll have to go with Unit5302 on the 400+ horses deal, - the whole syatem has to go in line with each other ie. brakes, suspension, frame strengthning and tires - :) when the system is built as a "together setup" - there should be no problem - need ZR cross tread type high performance tires, stabilizer systems, panhards, good springs and struts, and probably 13" to 14" two channel, 3 piston brakes ventilated.....like the ones coming out on the new Shalby500GT - actually, the new Shalby500GT is a good example of a performance design for 400+ hp.....i would have to do more study before i would jump into any design for that kind of performance - because making the right choices should make your ride streetable and a performer at the same time - hope this helps :)
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500 RWHP from a N/A 306 is doable, but isnt going to be streetable. But, that depends on your version of streetable. My 306 that made 420RWHP with a limited selection of parts wasnt very streetable.
500 'streetable' RWHP from a 306 is easy, and can be done for around $17,000 including upgrading the drivetrain as well. A stock block will work just fine if the engine is tuned right. Saying that 500 RWHP is the limit for a stock block, perpetuates a myth that as soon as you see 500, the block is going to split. Thats not true at all. A stock block can take much more than that for extended periods of time, but you want to make sure the tune is right. Start detonating a few cylinders and you will have problems in a hurry. Heres how I see it: $4000 for a decent shortblock with stock cam $1500 TFS TW heads, pushrods, rockers, and upgraded springs $1500 TFS Street Heat intake, 80mm TB, Mass Air Meter, Power Pipe $800 Aluminum Flywheel and good clutch $1000 AFM PMS $500 72lb injectors $2500 Vortech V2 SQ 6.87 lower and 3.33 upper $1500 Tremec TKO $250 FMS Aluminum driveshaft $1000 Decent axles, Gears, Detroit Locker $1500 Sumped tank, braided line, Eliminator pump, fittings, filter $1000 1 3/4 shorties, 3" h-pipe, 3" catback This combo will make around 490 with 93 octane and 20 degrees of timing. Put 100 octane and 25 degrees and if its put together right it will make 550. Andy |
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A friend of mine is in the middle of building a carbed 347 with afr 205's, and a solid roller as a daily driver. The best part is that its going to be a blow thru turbo setup that should make some big power. I have no doubt that it will be completely streetable and put down 600+ rwhp the way he will drive it to work and back everyday.
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Well, as long as they have 400+ 4 door sedans and 300 V6 imports rolling around, I'd say 500 is a nice round figure to roll with on the street IMHO...I would go with forced induction, though, only because it makes it more livable...
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should be a bad ass car. it was tough enough with the stock block set up he had before the motor let go |
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Silver GT in perfect condition with black interior. His name is Shawn vaught. |
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i guess not. zooq has a sn95 body style gt that is mint green on prostars in perf cond. pro-tech in lubbock is building his car too. (rebuilding)
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It's true. There is no magical hp number that the stock block is incapable of exceeding.
That being said, not all blocks are of equal strength, and unless the entire setup is balanced, blueprinted, modded to make sure there is serious vibration reduction, I wouldn't want to use the stock block in applications of over 450hp. Too many people put their parts together in a stock block and don't do the additional work to make sure the main webs won't crack from balancing issues. The 5.0HO block is not beefy by any means, and I don't think pushing the limits of what it can take is a good idea with a daily driver. I would expect that a N/A 306 would probably be capped in the 550-600RWHP neighborhood. Of course, it would be an engine that would cost a fortune, have serious streetability issues, and longevity issues. I like 9,000-10,000rpm redlines too... but I'll keep them on my bike for now. ;) |
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The wiring harness itself is small potatoes IMHO. It's almost entirely composed of quick disconnects and can be moved out of the way easily. I stand by forced induction being the easiest, least expensive and most streetable way of getting the horsepower you want. Carbs and forced induction rarely go together, though it's certainly possible. |
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In the earlier posts, he did specify carbureted and naturally aspirated. I'm not sure if that's been changed during the thread. I'm also thinking with 450-500 hp, he will need a stud girdle on the bottom and valve train girdles up top. also h-beam after market rods, forged crank, forged pistons just mention a few of the more obvious mods.
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