what parts do i need to beat a fast civic?

booster · 10-12-2001, 02:50 PM

whats up all,i am buying a 91 mustang lx 5.0 with a 5 speed,my bro and his friends disapprove and say ill be sorry cause mustangs are junk,he has a 2000 civic with an engine from a jap integra type r,it ran a best of 14.8@94.5 mph,he is getting parts put on this weekend that will supposedly drop that to about low 13-mid 13's.not what do i need to get for about 2000 dollars to be able to beat his 30000 dollar honda civic with my 4000 piece of "junk"?

fastboy7 · 10-12-2001, 03:04 PM

Whats up man? All you need to do is get yourself some slicks and a 150 shot of nitrous and that should be good enough to take out any pieces of jap crap and many other streetcars

have fun!

302 LX Eric · 10-12-2001, 03:19 PM

No mods needed, my friend. Just a heavy right foot and some decent shifting.

fast...civic... can you say "oxymoron?"

E

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1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles

13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60'

Smokedawg · 10-12-2001, 03:43 PM

Lets see here, what mods do you need to beat a fast civic..Um, what about a 5hp Briggs and Straton..

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347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Tremec, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Wires, Ram Air, K&N, 73mm MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, BBK Headers, Hurst Shifter, 3:73 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC, smog, and rear seat deleted, battery relocated
Awaiting new heads, intake, custom cam

89 Cobra LX · 10-12-2001, 03:55 PM

1. Get gears (3.73 or 3.55)

2. Exhaust (headers, h-pipe and cat-back system)

3. Nitrous (big-time HP for cheap)

Step 3 may not even be necessary.

God, I hate ricers.

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Eric - 89 Mustang LX coupe
302 - Cobra Intake - GT40p heads - TFS stage 1 cam - FRPP 1.6 roller rockers - Naturally Aspirated
3:73 gears - KYB shocks and struts - Eibach springs - HPM Mega-bite Jr lower control arms - HPM upper control arms

booster · 10-12-2001, 03:59 PM

what kind of times would i be running with a good kn filter,headers,h pipe,exhaust and 3.73 gears?what about a bigger throttle body and intake manifold?i raced him when i had my 87 gn from a 50 mph roll and we were even,from i stop i think i would have smoked him tho,all that matters to me is from a stop anyway,not that from a roll stuff
Dan

1BAD89 · 10-12-2001, 04:07 PM

14.8@94.5 mph to a low 13? That's a turbo or Nitrous, if he isn't adding that then low 13's are bs. Gears would be first on my list, and learn how to launch and you'll be just fine.

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1989 GT, not stock.

2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock.

1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more!

Skyman · 10-12-2001, 04:10 PM

If hes going from mid 14's to low 13's he has to be putting on a turbo. You are going to need something good to compete with him.

Get a good set of tires #1 thats $275.
(Drag Radials, ET Streets, ET Drags etc)

Get 3.73 gears $425 installed.

H-pipe $100 off road $250 cat.

Get a NOS Dry kit. You can go from 75-125hp Im pretty sure. ~550.

Were at about 1300 now.

The next best bang for the buck is going to be a set of pulleys for about $115.

Pull the air silencer and put in a K/N. $40.

Fill up your Nitrous bottle $35.

A throttle body, intake, or Maf isn't going to make much of a gain at this point.

Get a good shifter. Pro 5.0 B&M etc. $180

Theres always a few unforseen costs so this should put you right under 2000.

Skyler

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-1989 Saleen Mustang #406-
TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20.
12.54@107.4 Motor
332RWHP, 350rwtq

Jeb_Bush_2000 · 10-12-2001, 04:22 PM

If he has a $30,000 Civic that only runs 13's, you've already won.

95mustanggt · 10-12-2001, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Skyman:
If hes going from mid 14's to low 13's he has to be putting on a turbo.

Yep, I agree. I ran a late 90's civic with a shot of nitrous and we were close to dead even. I was pulling ever so slightly. And that was before I got my MAF and the car was running like crap.

You should find out what he is doing. Because if he thinks a 50 or 75 shot is going to put in in low 13's, I would doubt that. Your 91 5 spd. should have that beat stock.

Hey it may be junk, but it is faster junk that what he's got

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1995 Mustang GT

89 Cobra LX · 10-12-2001, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by booster:
what kind of times would i be running with a good kn filter,headers,h pipe,exhaust and 3.73 gears?
Dan

With traction, you should be able to break into the high-13s.

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Eric - 89 Mustang LX coupe
302 - Cobra Intake - GT40p heads - TFS stage 1 cam - FRPP 1.6 roller rockers - Naturally Aspirated
3:73 gears - KYB shocks and struts - Eibach springs - HPM Mega-bite Jr lower control arms - HPM upper control arms

Z28EATR · 10-12-2001, 05:31 PM

i have 373 gears, full exhaust from headers to off road hpipe to two chamber flowmasters, i pro 5.0 shifter, pullies, bbk cold air induction kit, mickey thompson et drags = 13.86 @ 98.9. I had a 1.93 60 ft. that should give you some idea how your car should run.

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88 LX 5.0 Ragtop
"Desire"
14.17 @ 97.65 mph
Best 60ft 2.19 YUK!!!!
Best Mph 98.9

wrathchild · 10-12-2001, 11:54 PM

With nothing else except 3.55's, 1 5/8"heads, xpipe, 2 chamber flowmasters, and a k-n-n i ran 13.90@99mph. On 17"street tires. So go get that cockeyed piece of jap crap. If you can drive there is no way he will beat you. If he is putting something else on his car then just get slicks. I know of many civics that are turbo and/or nitrous that run mid 14's. Are you racing as soon as he mods his car more? If so you got him right away. He will need alot of tuning after he does something major to it.

booster · 10-13-2001, 12:06 AM

hes getting jun stage 3 cams,valve spring and retainers,jun stage 3 header ,lightened flywheel,clutch,jun ecu that raises redline to 9500,and i think an adjustable fuel regulator,i dont think he will do low 13,maybe high 13 if hes lucky,and he paid 5500 for the parts and is paying 2500 for installation

wrathchild · 10-13-2001, 01:07 AM

Is it full weight? Is so i would ask to see a time slip for his 14 second run. I have a friend that has an integra. He is all motor and very light weight and he has a best of 14.3@99. He has cams, header all the good stuff.

Stang Runner · 10-13-2001, 07:45 AM

Get a set of good tires.

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14.28@103.0 on a G-Tech Engine: Steal Mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, Home ported Lower Intake, No power steering, No A/C
Drive Train: 3.55, T-5z,

Real power STUFF I Have and will put some time: Mac cold intake, 70MM TB, Valve covers (COOL ONES)255 Fuel pump NOS Dry 75HP, AFR 165 58cc, GT-40 Intake.
Next to get: Rocker Arms,Cam,Injectors 24, What might I need???See It at www.computerconquest.com

Stang_Crazy · 10-13-2001, 07:50 AM

I raced a neon that supposedly ran "high 12's" on slicks. We raced from 10 mph to about 75 mph. I got the jump on him and he never gained on me. This was in my old stang that ran 14.7's.

Talk is cheap. Unless he has a timeslip, don't believe his times. You should win this race with some good driving!

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89 GT 5-speed: Dynomax Cat-Back, Dynomax H-pipe w/cats
Waiting for install: ASP Pulleys, Pro 5.0, Densecharger

todd95GT · 10-13-2001, 08:31 AM

Once upon a cool, humidity free night, I took my 1999 3.8l 'stang to Moroso. I was locked into lease with much time to go. I thought I would modify the six banger to have some fun with it. Hell, I thought I might even shell out the cash for a blower for the little motor. I broke the staging beams and brought the motor to about 2grand against the clutch. I looked over at the little red Civic in the far lane, convinced I would be showing him my taillights. Yellow, red, red, red, GREEN! I took off riding the clutch out, but still managed to one-wheel-peel to redline, banged second gear and continued to spin the back right rubber. By the eighth-mile mark, the little ricer was so far ahead I couldn't even tell what color it was. My head hanging in shame, I drove around the return road and picked up my timeslip-16.20 @ 88.8 mph. Man, I thought I could have yanked a 15.90 out of it. As for the Honda; the little red devil ran a 12.14. Didn't care to ask what mods he had, it is, after all, still a Honda. That was it for me though. Being beaten by an electric cockroach and running a 16 second quarter inspired me. The next day I got rid of my V6 and bought my beautiful 1995 GT. It's not in the 12's yet, but rest assured you red spawn of satan, I vow to find you, and when I do...you'll see how pretty a SN95 looks from behind. If you can still see me.

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Todd
1995 GT/T-5
Pulleys; 65 mm TB; Flowmaster cat-back; Mac off road H-pipe; FMS aluminum driveshaft; short-throw shifter; HD clutch; Cobra R's; Cobra front and wing

[This message has been edited by todd95GT (edited 10-13-2001).]

PKRWUD · 10-13-2001, 08:43 AM

Quote:

...electric cockroach...

I like that. Todd, if law enforcement should ever fail you, you just may have a career in writing.

Take care,
~Chris

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Thad · 10-13-2001, 09:21 AM

1. Stiffen up your suspension: sub-frame connectors($150 installed), polyeurthane bushings($80), springs($180 installed), this will help launching.

2. Improve breathing with Cold air induction w/ k/n filter($250 install yourself) and headers/h-pipe/exhaust set ($600-800)

3. Some good street/slicks ($200)

4. Pulley set ($150)

All this with some good shifting and a good reaction time should definately put you inthe 13's. Get and own that ricer! Good luck!

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90 LX 5.0 ,bored 302, MSD 6AL, Twisted Wedge TrickFlo HDs, World class T5, BBK fender cold air induct., 70mm TB,Edelbrock performer Intake, aluminum Drve shaft, 3.55 Gears, Long Tube Headers to Flowmasters.

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10-12-2001, 02:50 PM	#1
booster Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: staten island,ny Posts: 13	what parts do i need to beat a fast civic? whats up all,i am buying a 91 mustang lx 5.0 with a 5 speed,my bro and his friends disapprove and say ill be sorry cause mustangs are junk,he has a 2000 civic with an engine from a jap integra type r,it ran a best of 14.8@94.5 mph,he is getting parts put on this weekend that will supposedly drop that to about low 13-mid 13's.not what do i need to get for about 2000 dollars to be able to beat his 30000 dollar honda civic with my 4000 piece of "junk"?

10-12-2001, 03:04 PM	#2
fastboy7 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Seymour,IN. USA Posts: 5	Whats up man? All you need to do is get yourself some slicks and a 150 shot of nitrous and that should be good enough to take out any pieces of jap crap and many other streetcars have fun!

10-12-2001, 03:19 PM	#3
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	No mods needed, my friend. Just a heavy right foot and some decent shifting. fast...civic... can you say "oxymoron?" E ------------------ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 38,000 miles 13.17 @ 106.14 mph w/ 2.138 60'

10-12-2001, 03:43 PM	#4
Smokedawg Tires Fear Me... Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 867	Lets see here, what mods do you need to beat a fast civic..Um, what about a 5hp Briggs and Straton.. ------------------ 347 Stroker Motor: Balanced, Tremec, Extrude Ported and Polished Upper and ported Lower, GT40 Milled Ported and Polished Heads, B303 Cam, 30lb Bosch Injectors, Holley AFPR, March Pulleys, Perma-Cool Fan, 3-Core Radiator, Accel Performance Coil, Accel 300+ Wires, Ram Air, K&N, 73mm MAF, 70mm TB, FlowMaster w/BBK Offroad H-Pipe, BBK Headers, Hurst Shifter, 3:73 Gears, Ram Clutch, Cross Drilled Rotors, AC, smog, and rear seat deleted, battery relocated Awaiting new heads, intake, custom cam

10-12-2001, 03:55 PM	#5
89 Cobra LX Don Corlione Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha NE USA Posts: 491	1. Get gears (3.73 or 3.55) 2. Exhaust (headers, h-pipe and cat-back system) 3. Nitrous (big-time HP for cheap) Step 3 may not even be necessary. God, I hate ricers. ------------------ Eric - 89 Mustang LX coupe 302 - Cobra Intake - GT40p heads - TFS stage 1 cam - FRPP 1.6 roller rockers - Naturally Aspirated 3:73 gears - KYB shocks and struts - Eibach springs - HPM Mega-bite Jr lower control arms - HPM upper control arms

10-12-2001, 03:59 PM	#6
booster Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: staten island,ny Posts: 13	what kind of times would i be running with a good kn filter,headers,h pipe,exhaust and 3.73 gears?what about a bigger throttle body and intake manifold?i raced him when i had my 87 gn from a 50 mph roll and we were even,from i stop i think i would have smoked him tho,all that matters to me is from a stop anyway,not that from a roll stuff Dan

10-12-2001, 04:07 PM	#7
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	14.8@94.5 mph to a low 13? That's a turbo or Nitrous, if he isn't adding that then low 13's are bs. Gears would be first on my list, and learn how to launch and you'll be just fine. ------------------ 1989 GT, not stock. 2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. 1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more!

10-12-2001, 04:10 PM	#8
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	If hes going from mid 14's to low 13's he has to be putting on a turbo. You are going to need something good to compete with him. Get a good set of tires #1 thats $275. (Drag Radials, ET Streets, ET Drags etc) Get 3.73 gears $425 installed. H-pipe $100 off road $250 cat. Get a NOS Dry kit. You can go from 75-125hp Im pretty sure. ~550. Were at about 1300 now. The next best bang for the buck is going to be a set of pulleys for about $115. Pull the air silencer and put in a K/N. $40. Fill up your Nitrous bottle $35. A throttle body, intake, or Maf isn't going to make much of a gain at this point. Get a good shifter. Pro 5.0 B&M etc. $180 Theres always a few unforseen costs so this should put you right under 2000. Skyler ------------------ -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- TFS TW Heads, E-303, Edelbrock intake, 70mm TB, 73mm MAF, 24lb injectors, 1 5/8 shorties, Off Road H, 3 Chamber flows, Jaz Race seats, Back seat removed, sub-frames, Roll Cage, and a 80 shot of N20. 12.54@107.4 Motor *332RWHP, 350rwtq*

10-12-2001, 04:22 PM	#9
Jeb_Bush_2000 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Taxachusetts Posts: 374	If he has a $30,000 Civic that only runs 13's, you've already won.

10-12-2001, 05:31 PM	#12
Z28EATR Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Florence, KY,USA Posts: 210	i have 373 gears, full exhaust from headers to off road hpipe to two chamber flowmasters, i pro 5.0 shifter, pullies, bbk cold air induction kit, mickey thompson et drags = 13.86 @ 98.9. I had a 1.93 60 ft. that should give you some idea how your car should run. ------------------ 88 LX 5.0 Ragtop "Desire" 14.17 @ 97.65 mph Best 60ft 2.19 YUK!!!! Best Mph 98.9

10-12-2001, 11:54 PM	#13
wrathchild Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: altoona pa usa Posts: 49	With nothing else except 3.55's, 1 5/8"heads, xpipe, 2 chamber flowmasters, and a k-n-n i ran 13.90@99mph. On 17"street tires. So go get that cockeyed piece of jap crap. If you can drive there is no way he will beat you. If he is putting something else on his car then just get slicks. I know of many civics that are turbo and/or nitrous that run mid 14's. Are you racing as soon as he mods his car more? If so you got him right away. He will need alot of tuning after he does something major to it.

10-13-2001, 12:06 AM	#14
booster Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: staten island,ny Posts: 13	hes getting jun stage 3 cams,valve spring and retainers,jun stage 3 header ,lightened flywheel,clutch,jun ecu that raises redline to 9500,and i think an adjustable fuel regulator,i dont think he will do low 13,maybe high 13 if hes lucky,and he paid 5500 for the parts and is paying 2500 for installation

10-13-2001, 01:07 AM	#15
wrathchild Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: altoona pa usa Posts: 49	Is it full weight? Is so i would ask to see a time slip for his 14 second run. I have a friend that has an integra. He is all motor and very light weight and he has a best of 14.3@99. He has cams, header all the good stuff.

10-13-2001, 07:45 AM	#16
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	Get a set of good tires. ------------------ 14.28@103.0 on a G-Tech Engine: Steal Mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, Home ported Lower Intake, No power steering, No A/C Drive Train: 3.55, T-5z, Real power STUFF I Have and will put some time: Mac cold intake, 70MM TB, Valve covers (COOL ONES)255 Fuel pump NOS Dry 75HP, AFR 165 58cc, GT-40 Intake. Next to get: Rocker Arms,Cam,Injectors 24, What might I need???See It at www.computerconquest.com

10-13-2001, 07:50 AM	#17
Stang_Crazy It's never clean enough! Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Shaler, PA Posts: 1,542	I raced a neon that supposedly ran "high 12's" on slicks. We raced from 10 mph to about 75 mph. I got the jump on him and he never gained on me. This was in my old stang that ran 14.7's. Talk is cheap. Unless he has a timeslip, don't believe his times. You should win this race with some good driving! ------------------ 89 GT 5-speed: Dynomax Cat-Back, Dynomax H-pipe w/cats Waiting for install: ASP Pulleys, Pro 5.0, Densecharger

10-13-2001, 08:31 AM	#18
todd95GT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, USA Posts: 191	Once upon a cool, humidity free night, I took my 1999 3.8l 'stang to Moroso. I was locked into lease with much time to go. I thought I would modify the six banger to have some fun with it. Hell, I thought I might even shell out the cash for a blower for the little motor. I broke the staging beams and brought the motor to about 2grand against the clutch. I looked over at the little red Civic in the far lane, convinced I would be showing him my taillights. Yellow, red, red, red, GREEN! I took off riding the clutch out, but still managed to one-wheel-peel to redline, banged second gear and continued to spin the back right rubber. By the eighth-mile mark, the little ricer was so far ahead I couldn't even tell what color it was. My head hanging in shame, I drove around the return road and picked up my timeslip-16.20 @ 88.8 mph. Man, I thought I could have yanked a 15.90 out of it. As for the Honda; the little red devil ran a 12.14. Didn't care to ask what mods he had, it is, after all, still a Honda. That was it for me though. Being beaten by an electric cockroach and running a 16 second quarter inspired me. The next day I got rid of my V6 and bought my beautiful 1995 GT. It's not in the 12's yet, but rest assured you red spawn of satan, I vow to find you, and when I do...you'll see how pretty a SN95 looks from behind. If you can still see me. ------------------ Todd 1995 GT/T-5 Pulleys; 65 mm TB; Flowmaster cat-back; Mac off road H-pipe; FMS aluminum driveshaft; short-throw shifter; HD clutch; Cobra R's; Cobra front and wing [This message has been edited by todd95GT (edited 10-13-2001).]

10-13-2001, 09:21 AM	#20
Thad Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Stuart, FL US Posts: 192	1. Stiffen up your suspension: sub-frame connectors($150 installed), polyeurthane bushings($80), springs($180 installed), this will help launching. 2. Improve breathing with Cold air induction w/ k/n filter($250 install yourself) and headers/h-pipe/exhaust set ($600-800) 3. Some good street/slicks ($200) 4. Pulley set ($150) All this with some good shifting and a good reaction time should definately put you inthe 13's. Get and own that ricer! Good luck! ------------------ 90 LX 5.0 ,bored 302, MSD 6AL, Twisted Wedge TrickFlo HDs, World class T5, BBK fender cold air induct., 70mm TB,Edelbrock performer Intake, aluminum Drve shaft, 3.55 Gears, Long Tube Headers to Flowmasters.