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Where did all the Muscle Cars go?
We went out on the town last night after FINALLY getting my Stang back on the road to try to find some Muscle Car guys to hang out with, only to find nothing but ricers. Now don't get me wrong, there were some cool ricers out there for being ricers, but we only saw a couple Mustangs and a few Camaros and none of them even acknowledged us as though they were car guys with a similar interest. What has happened to today's kids? When I was in school if you owned a ricer you were considered a geek. I used to drive out to our local cruise strip and park when I had my 65 Mustang, and within a few minutes 4 or 5 more Mustangs would pull up and hang out even if none of them knew each other. We had 17 Mustangs in one small lot one time ranging from my 65 to a 67 GT Fastback and even a couple newer ones. You don't see this anymore other than in organized shows and ricer collectives (at least not around here).
I'm calling on all Mustangers to band together anywhere you can and hang out. If you see a Mustang cruising down the local strip don't turn your nose up thinking you have a faster car. Give them a thumbs up and show your appreciation for having a similar admiration. Show your respect, be friendly, and above all don't be bashful when someone says "Light em up!" ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241 |
In my town its just me and my friends with the fastest cars. I have to drive 30 miles to hang out with all the other gear heads. Its getting to wear if you don't have a car that gets 36 miles to the gallon nobody will hang with you.
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Well, I could look back at the late 80's and early 90's and tell you what they had to offer for quick production cars on my fingers.
The 5.0 was the only option above the sick *** 2.3L rated at 88 or 110hp, depending on year. Many people got the 5.0 just because they wanted a Mustang that actually moved. That translates to a ton of V-8 stangs for us younger gen people. The market was flooded with the solid performing Mustangs at a good price. If you look at what an excellent condition 87GT will bring now vs 5 years ago, you may be shocked to see no difference in price. They have all stayed pretty high. The market isn't flooded with these cars anymore, and newer cars offer decent performing V=6's in place of the sorry 4 banger. That means the sales of the V-8 is going to drop. You don't really NEED the V-8 when you have a 190+hp V-6 standard. A V-6 that will tangle head to head with the 96-98GT's no less. Add in the fact the starting price for a V-8 Mustang has risen from about $12k in 1987 to $23k today, and you see why there are less of the fun loving V-8 Stangers out there. As far as the Camaro goes, the Fbody has been riddled by poor quality, now they are in the limelight of their lives, quality reputations have been one of many major factors leading to horribly slumping sales. That and a significantly superior Mustang has fueled the disappearance of these cars. Now parents who are cosigning for their kid's cars are all driving imports. They are down on domestic cars because of cars such as the Tempo, Cavalier, Shadow, and Neon. Rear wheel drive has practically been labeled as a death machine because people don't know how to drive. You say V-8 and parents think of their V-8 musclecars in the past, getting 15 on the hiway, and they tell their kids there is no way they are going to be driving a pile of **** , 15mpg, rear wheel drive death machine, costing 23k. Or an old piece of **** 87GT costing 5k for that matter. Lies and misleading's around the performance of the domestic V-8 cars such as the Mustang and Camaro also abound. The import guys ask what a stock 87 Mustang GT runs. They get an answer back on average, stock, about a 14.5. Then their buddy says he knows this guy, who knows this guy, who once saw a stock Civic Si (Special K) run a 15.28. (I can't bring myself to believe it, though.) There is always the guy with the Integra that eat's 5.0's too. So they use the fastest stock import as the performance figure. Hell, there are 13sec stock 87GT's out there. Do we quote them as 13 sec cars? Hell no. Are they? Honestly, driven like a bat outta hell off the showroom floor, damn close. With under $500 in mods, hell yeah. Do we quote that? No. Why? Because most people cannot drive like that. Hell, I can't even drive like that. My best is a 14.19, I am terribly out of tune, but I wasn't happy at all with my launches. My Z spec T-5 may have been hurting me, but I either bogged, spun a little then bogged, or spun to 30mph. I was launching WAY harder with the 3.35 ratio I had in the old tranny, I know that for a fact. Would my car run a mid/high 13 with the old tranny and tuned up? I'm betting it would. Bottom line, there just aren't as many V-8 guys out there. |
Yeah, I see what you guys are sayin. I am 16 and I only know one kid my age with a 87' Camaro. All the other kids are getting front wheel drive 4 bangers. Its kinda sad. I remember about a year and a half ago when my dad first brought up a Mustang as a car for me. Back then, I was like, ugh, a Ford product? I hate Ford! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif I was just brainwashed by my community into hating domestic products. Little did I know, Fords, Chevy, and Mopars are some of my favorite cars. There are some muscle cars in my town, but are all driven by 40 year olds and up. @$$holes and their mid-life crisis! Oh well, I'll carry on the tradition!! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
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Yup,it's the same way where I'm at also.You see other people drivin Stang's,but once you come up on them they don't wave,they don't smile,they just simply drive on by.Have a hard time figuring it out..
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I'm not a 40 year old mid life crisis type of guy yet but I'm getting closer at 30 years young now. I'll still be driving my Stang when I'm 40 though, but I may opt to turn it into a serious drag car by then.
slowride90 - That's just what I'm talking about. Nobody came over and parked with us but then again, most of the people we saw were like 16 years old and probably figured it was a waste of time to go hang with a couple "old guys". Not that I haven't grown out of cruising... I actually had for a long time. But, I still like to go out there every now and then to see what's changed. Too bad it's changed for the worse for the Stangers around here. Like I said, some of those ricers I see around town have really been done up right and I respect them for taking pride in their cars no matter how messed up that pride may be. Some of them even commented on my car at the stop lights so it wasn't all that bad. One guy came up to my car at a red light and asked me how fast it was and I told him a modest number of 13.5 which I know is a lot slower than what it actually is now with the new gears and such. He then asked me if I would show him what she had when the light turned green and so I did. When the light turned green I let her go in 1st gear then gave them a 2nd gear sound off and to my surprise I heard the cheering over my exhaust which made it all good. ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241 |
You got it right on unit. Beyond that, there are a few people at my high school who have mustangs and camaros, but they all just bought them already "built", but not really so (like gears and pulleys) and then they say its the fastest thing out there, just like ricers. I've talked about one guy previously on the board who thinks his 91LX runs mid 12s, all he has are pulleys, 3.73s, and exhaust. He didn't do anything himself and isn't going to do anything. The car is capable of running mid 13s, but i've raced him, and he couldn't drive better than a mid 14. Just like unit said, noone can drive.
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in my little Pa. town its kinda split down the middle ...mustangs are really popular here..still see tons of them..most of em owned by guys in mid 30s but there are a few kids with mustangs mostly foxes .there are alot of imports some of em are pretty fast but most of em are status symbles.it seems to be common knowlege who's fast though.most kids respect the power in the big v8 but like status that comes with tiny tires and shopping cart wings. but not all the kids.i bought my car off a 19 year old who is in the process af building a capprice police cruiser anto a rod and i brought a set of tailpipes of a young kid who is driving an old v8 falcon.most of the kids i've met on the cruising strip around here are actually pretty cool ...thats how i got my handle ...when im asked what'll it do i tell them im just an old guy with a mustang,its not really that fast.the'll usually laugh because they know the old v8s will still compete.most of em wont try to play when there next to me because they dont want to run the risk of getting smoked in front of there friends....all in all its about half n half around here with the young kids.half of em drive old muscle half of em drive imports.half of em are rich kid snobs (wont give you time of day and think there the **** because the have a shift light and a wing)and half of them are cool(will come up and ask about mods and want you to do a burn out)so its all good...............................p.sim not really that old (28)
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hey 2fast.glad to hear you got your car off the blocks.good luck with dealing with that old shop.till then just dont down shift
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Thanks for caring old guy http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
It's great to be back behind the wheel again. I got the car all polished up today with some Meguire's Classic Gold (Great stuff!) and it looks better than ever now. It still has some idle and driving issues that need to be worked out but that'll get tended to in time. Now maybe I can get my interior put back together. ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241 |
I know what you mean most people at my high school drive imports and think they a hot
sh&t.(there is actully a guy who thinks his 1998 toyoda truck with a 4 banger a striaght pipes is the fastest truck in the parking lot) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif I go to a small school so I give you the run down on the cooler cars. Theres Matt H.:1982 S-10 with a 350 Matt B.: 1986 Z28 with a 4" cowl 350 coming this summer Stevin: 1979 nova with a hot 350 Jay: a snot a$$ prick who got a 1995 Z28 Amber: her dad is really cool and owns a hot rod shop. She has a 1992 GT vert but doesn't apreciat it and can't drive worth sh%t Thats it, but I hope to add a 1992 GT to that list if I can talk my dad into it ------------------ 1990 Dodge Dynasty with 275,000 miles. Mods:chiped paint, CD player. Sucks but it was free. Praying for a stang. The "Guetto Glider" http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net2/burnout.gif P.S. watch out cobra owners it's a freak |
but cruising in my town is pretty good. When crusing with Matt B. the other night a spoted a AC Cobra, a 1972 Mustang Vert with a 351C, a typoon, a 1993 Cobra with a Vortech, and a sh$t load of new GTs.
------------------ 1990 Dodge Dynasty with 275,000 miles. Mods:chiped paint, CD player. Sucks but it was free. Praying for a stang. The "Guetto Glider" http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/s/net2/burnout.gif P.S. watch out cobra owners it's a freak |
this might be off subject but..in my town not only are there not meny stang ppl but the stangs that are in town are mostly v6 stangs...theres a sweet 99 GT down the road but some old fart owns it and only has it for looks not performance...there are a far share of muscle cars but there only sunday drivers and they baby them...the other day a guy reved his 69 roadrunner up but when i got next to him he ignored me and didnt do s**t...there is a guy in town with a early 90's camaro that thinks he has something special..everytime he sees me he peels out and smokes the tires....dosnt impress me at all..only as a sorry 305...my best freind used to have a 90 mustang 4 banger and he could even smokem..dosnt take to much..BUT again..i get next to him and he wont race..WHATS THE DEAL..the only stangers are me and a buddy of mine and a guy from a town close by..guy in town has a 88 gt with a 347 and the guy from the other town has a 89 lx coupe with a 306 AFR's,edrock intake,custom grind cam..all the other goodies..mm actually out of the three im the slowest..dang!!
anyway..my freind that helps me work on my car said mabe its my exhaust..just sounds so mean no one wonts to mess with me...who knows..but its geting pretty pothetic around here...i cruised around saturday amost all damn day and the only person that tryed anything with me was some old beat up truck with wide tires in back?? WTF seen a sweet fox gt the other day..aaaaalll black..looked nice..but i was geting gas and after that i couldnt find him...rrrrr ------------------ '91 GT,91K,T-5,air silencer removed,racing clutch(previous owner put in so dont know what kind),K&N air filter,Mac long tubes,Cat-back,off road H,FMS 9mm wires,Competition gauges,C&L 76mm MAF Future Mods:3.73's,Pro 5.0,accufab 70mm tb,TFS heads,TFS stage 1 cam,lakewood struts/shocks,nitto DR's,four cylinder springs up front ICQ#35670781 |
This makes me sad http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif
I'm 24, and don't feel the solidarity with other hot rodder's as i once did, because you're only cool now if you drive a turbo'd 4-banger. This makes me feel old. Maybe in a few years i'll have to trade my out dated Stang for a 400HP Integra? http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif |
Never give and and sell the Stang just to buy a ricer. I know I never will. Although, I would like to have one for a daily driver with all these high gas prices, but if I do have to go that route it will more than likely be a Ford Focus. I can see it now... I'll probably get into modding it and turning it into an SVT http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241 |
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The new Mustangs CANNOT and DO NOT compete with the LS1 in stock to stock form and neither car is superior. The idiots at GM have just decided that the sales were not high enough (because of the huge price tag) and that they would put more into the Vette. But don't you guys worry, we got a few suprises in store for you http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif ------------------ http://members.mustangworks.com/liza...roker_sig4.gif '81 Z-28, 383 Stroker, 11.5:1, Dart Sportsman Angle Plug heads, Weiand Team G, Holley 750 dbl pump, Comp XE-284H, TCI glide w/ 3500 stall, 4:10 posi, B&M Megashifter, MT Indy Profile S/S, and nothin left for the gas tank [This message has been edited by camaroboy (edited 05-22-2001).] |
Here in Colorado there is no shortage of hangouts or people with something to prove.
I drive a peice of crap but well running stock civic ex. Ill race anything and its an automatic! I dont care if i lose because i know i will, i just like to see fast cars rodding like hell all over the road. The sick thing is most people hear my peice of crap ram air and think im packing some juice, PLEASE! Ill race a mustang, a civic, or anything. Its just fun to get an idea of how people drive at speed and how their vehicles perform. All i can say is there are not many imports that are quick, atleast not here. Most look fast but other then that are all looks. Could be that were 5280 ft above sea level....hahahah. Any way, if your in colorado and see a red 4door civic next to you, ill race you, and youll beat me...but ill be back next time and by then ill have my stang....hahaha...Hopefully ------------------ 93 Honda Civic EX SOHC V-TEC, Ram Air, Auto. Tranny overheats, has a hole in exhaust pipe for that added thrust. No fart cans or 500psi super turbo's. would gladly crash into a brick wall for a Stang, any takers? |
Camaroboy needs to shut his mouth before some MUSTANGMEN shut it up for him. The price, and the quality of the Camaro are not the only reasons that it's sales went south. People just found a better car, and it's name is Mustang. You just want to get away form the reality that more people like the Mustang than the Camaro, and say that the only reason GM is killing of the F-body is because of the price. The Mustang is a part of America it's like apple pie, baseball, and NASA. It has the title of America's favorite car, and when you're in the same class as something that grand it's no wonder that the Mustang sells more cars than Camaro and Firebird combined. The Camaro is just a wanna be, and all you fools out there who love that car so much should love the Mustang even more, because without it the Camaro, Firebird, Challenger, all the other pony cars would've never been made. The Mustang was the first pony car, and it looks like it's gonna be the last. It came in as the favorite, and it's gonna out the same d*** way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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camaroboy...my dad raised me as a chevy boy...my dad hates fords..and i DO like chevy..so dont get me wrong iv always wanted one of those firebirds with the ram air..BLACK..there awsome..but about your comment about a surprise in store for us..i think the surprise is in store for you when the 2003 stang GT's come out factory with 290 HP!!
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Good luck & long live the Mustang, the only Muscle car Ford ever made http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif Just remember, our Vette is still with us. And like I said, we have a surprise for you Ford boys http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif ------------------ http://members.mustangworks.com/liza...roker_sig4.gif '81 Z-28, 383 Stroker, 11.5:1, Dart Sportsman Angle Plug heads, Weiand Team G, Holley 750 dbl pump, Comp XE-284H, TCI glide w/ 3500 stall, 4:10 posi, B&M Megashifter, MT Indy Profile S/S, and nothin left for the gas tank |
quote..."when was the last time mustangs out performed the camaro factory stock".....well wasnt that like the whole decade of the 80s and most of the 90s .....well i dont know what the currant comparisons are , the newer camaros are pretty cool and defanatly an improvment over the 80s version.i havnt really taken to the looks though,still like the mustangs look.but the new mustangs don't have t-tops(love my t tops).......all in all i love all fast cars espesually muscle cars . i dont just pick one brand of car and say all there cars are the best.becouse through the years all the american car companys have had there winners and there losers.i like all the late sixty american muscle cars....the 69 camaro ,the69 mustang ,the barricuda......i like the 70s camoros for different reason then i like the 70s mustangs(coinsidentally not a big hit with the public),there two totally different cars but i like em both.but in reality in the seventys the camaro was a better car....but in the 80s ford redeemed themselves and chevy went down hill.i know and get along with many chevy fans and most of em agree that the fox mustang was superior to the 80s camaro.less problems,handled better,faster and easyer to work on. in the 70s you could use that same discription favoring the chevy.as for the newer cars they both have advantages but there both cool.....in reality the deciding factor in witch muscle car is the fastest is whether the manufacturers decide to use the racing tech thats out there ,in there production cars. its allways been like that .the tech is there to make the cars alot faster,its just a matter of whos using it that year and how much there charging for it.....and im sorry to say it but its been awile since chevy came out with a car faster than the mustang for less money.....
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I was at the track (US 41) 2 weeks ago & wondering where the he11 all the Mustangs were. I still [lenty on the street but doen't anybody race anymore? It wasn't like there was rice there just maybe 3 other stangs. We used to rule that place. Some guys that had seen my car when they still ran Fun Fords there posed the question to me & I've got no idea. I've been to Rte.66 a few times & there not there either. Where did all the fast Northwest IN/Chicagoland Mustangs go??!?!?
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Where did all the muscle cars go? I spend a fair amount of time and gas just cruising around looking for them. Hoping one might want to race. 90% of Camaros and Mustangs are built as 6 bangers. Many are driven by young ladies with no interest in performance. It's just the market place. Most people won't pay for for performance. That's why Ford and GM are lackodasical towards it. Why would they care if there's no money in it? Maybe we enthusiists should be more willing to pay for factory muscle if it were really there. We certainly pay for after market stuff..........we pay a lot.
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
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------------------ http://members.mustangworks.com/liza...roker_sig4.gif '81 Z-28, 383 Stroker, 11.5:1, Dart Sportsman Angle Plug heads, Weiand Team G, Holley 750 dbl pump, Comp XE-284H, TCI glide w/ 3500 stall, 4:10 posi, B&M Megashifter, MT Indy Profile S/S, and nothin left for the gas tank |
Uhmm....weren't some of those IROC's boat anchor 305's?
Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. |
Ok... I am a middle aged guy who is getting his first MUSTANG..I have had a dream since 1966 of owning a PONY...well I decided now is the time to lay down the 25.5k in cash for the STANG....yes i am into the retro look.....
yesterday was the "born on day" for my Mustang" as that is when the car went to the line. I even have my VIN number.had to order as there wasn't what I wanted anywhere in the Pacific Northwest..Here's something KWEL. I can trace the car once it get on the train to come west. the tracer will tell me where in the country the car is located. The was a ROUSH sitting on the dealer showroom...too much "KID" stuff for me..I just want to have my MID LIFE CRISIS in a GT VERT **************** Lazer red gt vert premium. dk charcoal leather,black top and ..........auto. Wanted auto so I can take the car in parades and have the beauty queen ride in back. Actually the MRS. will be driving it as a work car and she had a request for auto. Something about being able to put make up on and drive at the same time. Isn't that unsafe driving LOL |
Sounds gorgeous Lazer, and, oh, the car sounds OK too.
BTW, welcome to the board. Rev ------------------ '66 Coupe, 306, 300 HP, C-4, 13.97 e.t., 100.3 mph 1/4 mi. [This message has been edited by Rev (edited 05-23-2001).] |
Camaro boy, it is official. Your a moron. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif Here we go with this stock Vs stock thing. We mustangers here enough of that while arguing with each other over the 4.6 and the 5.0.
As for the 350 IROCS, they werent sh$t either. The new Camaros are DECENT cars, but I wouldnt plop that much money down for one. The Trans AMs are really nice, but unfortunatley there even more expensive. Ummmm as for the only Muscle car Ford ever had bieng the Mustang. Get your crack from a diffrent dealer, the stuff your buying is messing with that small brain. Hmmmmmm.. ThunderBolt....Galaxie XL.....Cobra (torinio based)......The hipo Fairlanes.....Talledaga.....Lets see, the list just keeps going on and on. As for nowadays, yes Fords main performance car is the Mustang, but you have the ThunderBIrd (Yupee car) reapperaing, the Mercury Maurader which is coming out next year, and there are more variations of the mustang alone than there are cars for the Chevy line up. Anything from 270hp Bullit to the 360 Hp Stage 3 roush to the Sean Hyland and Steeda Special editions, which crank out better times and numbers than any Chevy. Nuff Said. ------------------ 64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. |
Unit 5302, I totally agree with you, you couldn't have said it any better. Another thing i believe adds to the reason people want imports is because cars like mine built from the late 70's to the mid 80's with the half-@ss emissions slap ons, smaller engines (remember the Ford 255 V8 or the Chevy (i believe 263) V8? with no power or fuel economy, shoddy build construction, hasty designing and cheap parts led to a bad reputation towards domestic vehicles, which in some cases are warranted. If i had the money for any dailer driver i wanted i'd buy a BMW or Mercedes because they're so OVER engineered, whereas domestics are usually rushed into production (just look at the slurry of recalls on most new domestic vehicles), but then again japanese cars also have their problems like any vehicle and their recalls. Another thing people don't realize is just like domestics, foreign cars also have common fail items and things DO go wrong with them. People i know also tend to think because it's "japanese" that it doesn't need to be maintained, which of course is BS also. My poison, personally, is Ford because i'm familiar with their vehicles and i just love mustangs and basically all the rear wheel drive vehicles ford builds/has built recently....also i do like the 4th gen. camaros and firebirds but just like any vehicle they have their problems.
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now aaa i raced a 350 iroc like two weeks ago in a time run a local drag strip ......why was he in my rear view when i crossed finish line....as for handling ..he he he....now my closing statment in my last post was that all the manufacturers can make the cars alot faster than the are....the tech for higher powered motors and better handling cars has been there...its just a matter of whos putting that tech in production cars.....chevys come out with some fast editions of the camaro,and fords come out with some fast editions of the mustang.if you use the comparison of chevys fastest 80s edition then ya it will be faster then fords basic cars.....but ford came out with some faster versions too ....ie is the chevy 350 ho iroc faster then fords 351 version mustangs....and last but not least ....when was the last time chevy offered a faster car for less money??????
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camaroboy...
I haven't been reading this thread as I put my $0.02 earlier. It's obvious you are dumb as rocks. The 1985-1992 Mustang 5.0's ate the Fbody's up. Everywhere, including handling. Actually, the 94+ Mustang GT's handle better than the Fbodies. You had a nice little edge there in 1993 though. Good job. GM has been putting together responses for Mustang's that haven't even come out yet. The SS as a response to the 96 Cobra, the LT1 as a response to the rumor the 4.6L SOHC would be a beast availible in the 1994GT. They slap some car together, hold the nose on with duct tape (new fbody's, take a look under there some time), and ship it out so they can beat the upgrades Ford does to it's ponycar. I laughed when Chevy announced the Z06. Appearently, they felt threatened by the Cobra R, they must have gotten tired of having their asses kicked on the race tracks when the last one came out in 1995? As far as the Fbody being too expensive, the MSRP on the Z28 is lower than the GT. There are reason's the Mustang outsells the Fbody over 3:1. They're called quality, substance, and reputation. |
Well when i am at home in Barstow there are a few muscle cars around. U will see some of them at the local burger place but those guys dont race. They are cool to talk to and hang out with even though they where all 20 years older than me and i was the only ford. The other spot is just a bunch of imports and some other things with one 5.0 that hangs out there. Why he does this i will never now. But to this day he is one of the only cars that has raced me. (I killed him by the way). I wanted to talk to him after wards but he just took of the other way. It is just like all the other places I quess. I try and talk to the other mustang guys and stuff but they think I am weird for trying to talk to them i don't understand any of it. I also love it when people have no clue of what car i drive. I always get the ? Is that a 302? I just say yeah sure something like that and laugh.
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hay i wanted to say sorry for turning 2fasts forum into a ford chevy argument. a kinda wanderd from topic.i just wanted to counter camaroboy(seems like he omly gets on boards to bash fords).........well any way i'd have to say have faith that muscle cars will not dissapear.around here there still popular, as well as the newer ricers.i think its cool that the ricers are growing in popularity,because the are not that much differant then us .they like to cruise and like to go fast,they just prefere different cars.allthough alot of ricers are just status symbols,and some of the kids that drive them are snobby,they are actully helping to keep the enthusiasum for fast cars alive. as long as they are out there cruising and racing and showing there cars they will help fuel enthusiasum for cars ,and competition. example being around here they have actually helped bring back cruising.the more of them that show up the more peaple they provoke to come out and bring there cars.and not everybody around here think that ricers are the fastest....the result is competition and more and more people getting in on the fun.as long as theres ricers out there that look fast,and go fast then theres going to be people that want to build cars that will beat them and look better then them.
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AHAHAHAAAA. It's obvious you guys are looking at this in a 1 sided way. You post **** about Camaro's & expect us Camaro owners to take it. The IROC weren't anywhere near boat anchors with their 245HP 350 HO in '88. Your Mustangs were running 15.0's at their best while Iroc's were constant 14.8's. So the fact of the matter is, any stock Mustang('84 & up) will get it's dorrs blown off by any stock Camaro ('84 & up). So for all you big mouths, how bout you post up some time slips & we'll see who is gonna be in the rear view http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
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Camaro Boy - You know i, and many others would be coming to the weekend drags in an LS1 or LS6, if it wasn't for Chevy's over inflated price tag.
As for not worrying cause you still have the Corvette, i'm not. It'll be a while before i can slap down $72,000 + tax on a new C-5 http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif The Stang IS cheap by comparison to many other cars. That's why it's such a great seller. Not cheap in quality but in price. How many other cool GT cars can you buy for $26,500 and run high 13's all day long? That's what i thought http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif |
Camaro boy, it is better to be thought a fool than to be proven one by opening your mouth.
Your on the losing side of an argument, face it. The Camaros from the 80's and early 90's, even the Iroc with the 350 sucked A$$. What, are you to embbarressed to admit it? Okay, and if you want to get into this Rare limited edition stock VS stock issue, then the LS-1 Camaro is crap because the Mustang has the fastest stock. Does Cobra R ring a bell? Oh, and how about the wild S351 Saleens, (well not for 2000 and 2001) there wasnt a Stock Camaro that could touch them. But I dont consider those vechiles regular production, even though there sold at Ford Dealerships with Ford warranties. So Camaro boy, just go back into your corner, and disappear or something. You have proven your ignorance. ------------------ 64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. 289, C4, 3:1 rear gear. Mallory duel point. Ported & Polished 65 heads shaved .01 with 351 windsor valves, 11:1 comp, 1.7:1 sled rockers, blue wolverine lumpy cam, modified autolite 4100 Hipo 4 barrel. And to many others to list 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. BBK Underdrive pulleys, Flotech off-road H pipe. Hurst T-Handle 64 1/2 red 6cyl coupe. Auto. project car. |
That's right CamaroBoy.
And make sure to bring the wood screws tonight at the races - you'll need 'em when i blow your doors off with my Stang http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif |
I guess I'm just going to have to jump into the fray....
camarodude - gee, putting down Camaro's on a Mustang message board. That's terrible of us. I suppose on all of the GM message boards they blow sunshine up Ford's a** all day long! What did you expect? BTW, if you want to come down to Toronto & try a few runs with me, please feel welcome to. Oh yeah - just keep on believing that stock late 80's & early 90's Mustangs ran only 15.0's....... Where did you get that info? Toad & Track or Car & Drivel? That's another arguement that can go on & on forever... ------------------ 91 coupe 3.73's,long tubes,2 1/2" exh,ported stock t-body,ProM-77mm cobra intake,edelbrock heads,B303,1.72 rr's 36lb inj's,tremec, & a Paxton NOVI 2000!!! 11.020 @128.95 on BFG Drag Radials (275/60/15) |
I love how camaroboy has no idea what he's talking about. He seems to think the puny hp advantage the Camaro's had (in the 350TPI and the whopping 5hp with the 305TPI) somehow made for better performance. It would have, maybe, if the F body didn't weigh 400lbs more. Course, then again, the 305 and 350 made their hp a little higher up too. Kinda like a 4.6L, lol.
15's at best http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/rolleyes.gif There are a lot of 13sec stock and near stock 5.0 owners that will argue that. |
Being somewhat ignorant about those IROC's, could someone elaborate on which ones were 305's and which were 350's. My brother had an '89 (I think) that I'm pretty sure was a 305. It ran OK, but nothing to write home about. Guessing mid-low 15's.
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I should run low to mid 14s (14.2-14.4), which is pretty close to the norm of a well driven stock late 80s early 90s 5.0, at least a 5 spd car anyways. I raced a stock '92 305 RS a while back. I beat him by about 6 or 7 car lengths to 60 the first time we raced, which I was battling for traction up to about 45 mph. The second time we raced I took it up to 115 before I got out of it. He had enough time to pull in behind me during the race that I put chips on his front end because I was shooting some pebbles from spinning my wheels. The people watching said I had him by a HUGE amount. They couldn't even estimate because we were so far apart. It was an automatic, so you couldn't use his crappy skills as an excuse either. It was a very nice car though. Ran smooth. But not fast. Very clean and well kept. A metallic blue with alloy rims. It was nice.
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camaroboy: Remember you are on a Mustang message board, and flaming or filling up an entire post with "mah three-fiddy 'll kick yo arse"-style statements are not bumping you up on the respect ladder. MustangWorks is about Mustang drivers & enthusiasts, not us bashing brand-x. If flaming is what you're looking for, I suggest you move on to another message board. Thanks. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
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ah oh....we got the moderater involved.....we better behave...he he....its seems that camaroboy is biast and uneducated on the matter of what the numbers say.i dont race at a 1/4 mile track so i only know 1/8 mile #s......seems that most stock fox mustangs run around 9.3to 9.8 in 1/8 and most of the stock camaros run from 10.0 to 10.5 in the 1/8....your stock 305s(80s style)are almost never lower the 10. sec. your stock 350 camaro can usually break into 9s but high 9s.now your newer style camaros can run low 9s. thats why i said there much improved over 80s style camaros.....your 70s style camaros can usally get 9s (except the 305s there allways up there into the 11.s and 12.s...with the neons and the focases...he he)the 70s camaros at my track are hard to compare beings that there almost never stock.but comparing stock cars and mostly stock cars the camaros are allmost allway slower then fords......mine is an 87gt and its got 150,000 miles on it ,its allmost all stock (its got flowwmasters on it)...it runs around 9.5 to 9.7 depends on the day....the camaro i was talking about in the other post was a 350 camaro that was allmost all stock(he had flowwmasters allso)....he was in my rear veiw becase his car runs cosistant 10.s.....the only 80s style camaros that run below 9.3 to 9.8 s at my track are the oneswith engine mods or other power adder mods.witch 9.3 to 9.8s is what most stock mustangs run....not to mention the mod mustangs down there that run any where from 8.s to 6.s .....well thats the #s that i know and allthogh its only 1/8 mile #s....the #s dont lie
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Wow. What a response. Hmm, maybe I should have titled it "Morons with GM's please respond!" What a load of crap.
Anyway, back to the topic guys. ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241 |
So anyway, about where did all the muscle cars go. Sure it sucks you don't see many cool cars cruising around all the time, but doesn't that make it all the better when you finally do? Here's what I don't understand, I drive an 86 Mustang GT and my friend drives a 1970 Chevelle 396. We'll run into a bunch of kids from school that drive hondas and give them a few burnouts or whatever and everyone thinks it's cool and they wish they had a rear-wheel drive car that could burn out. I paid $2000 for my mustang and my friend payed around $7500 for his chevelle. Instead of people spending $10,000 for a honda or an acura (then another $2000 for rims,foglights and a windshield sticker), why don't they actually buy a car they think is cool and save themselves thousands of dollars?
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the muscle cars are gone mainly due to all the emissions and fuel economy requirements.
now the kids that are starting to drive these days grew up watching mom and dad drive the crap from the late 70's and 80's. these were bad years for alot of domestic brands. this is when the imports really made there reputation for reliability and fuel economy. these days domestic cars are still playing catch up to some import brands in overall quality and reliability. also think hard. how many rwd cars were or are still being made in the 90's and present. like it or not fwd civics, focus, and GTP's are the new muscle cars. the only rwd performance cars offered these days are expensive (other than the mustang and f bod). also didn't the whole muscle car era start when car companies started putting in hi hp engines into your avg grocery getter car. not unlike dumping a 170hp engine into a lightweight civic. now the only thing i don't like is the attitude that you get from these young punk kids. people that want to start fights because they lost a race. wtf is that all about. ------------------ 99 30th annv. Trans am 79 Trans am black se |
once again sorry about getting of off topic 2fast......i kinda agree with gonzo ....the lightweight sport compacts kinda are the new wave of muscle cars .....i think any car that get up and go at an insane rate of speed is kinda in the class of muscle car.although i prefere the true muscle car(rear wheel drive,hugh moter)technology is changing and some people just prefer to go fast in a different kinda machine. i think that ther isnt that much of a difference between muscle car fans and import fans .both want to go fast and look good doing it, just a defferent preferance of machine ....what doesnt make sence to me is the ones who make there cars look fast (shopping cart handle wing ,rims and tack) and dont do anything to make the car fast.but those type drive all kinds of cars not just sport compacts or imports.
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Im pretty dissapointed i dont see as many stangs at our cruise meets anymore, im 22 but feeling old now, it seems more ricers moved in with booming systems and gangbanger attitudes, but i know some cool guys though, but they are always burning out in the parking lots, we barely talked the manager into letting us hang, and they disrespect, so we usually get kicked out http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif
hAAh, camaroboy, i had a link to a site that proved the 80's early 90's stang lx (stock) outperformed the camaro/iroc, especially 1/4 mile, and they said the 305 5spd was quicker than the 350tpi auto. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif sorry, i'll shut up now, just stating some facts. ------------------ 90 lx coupe: Mac cold air fenderwell, accel supercoil,ADS chip (not yet track tested),3-core radiatr, FMS alum D/S, Black magic fan, 3.27grs, 3chbr flows. Best time: 13.9116(on 225/60/15 firehawks) Best mph: 98.17 Best 60': 1.9607 next mods: subframes, mac h-pipe |
camaroboy you are an idiot!!!
no fbody enthusiast wants an moron like you being lumped in the same catagory as the rest of us. yes for the most part 5.0 stangs were beating the f bods in the 80's and through 92. |
No problem old guy http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
I realize emissions have probably caused a lot of the older cars to be garaged, but we don't have emissions here so that has nothing to do with it around here. I think I'm just getting too old and all of the guys my age are home watching TV or something instead of going out cruising. Plus, like you guys are saying, all of the kids nowadays are buying rice. If I ever have kids they will be taught Ford Blue until they are old enough to make decisions on their own, say 30 http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif ------------------ Too much to list. Best ET on the car so far with stock 2.73 gears - 13.73@102mph Indiana Stangers Association Buy your parts here ICQ# 42269241 |
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