as i said before i am not bashing the v-6 stang , but you cant compare them to the meek 4.6, unit, so , you bought one , yes they are not the 5.0 but they arent that bad for a small v-8, i mean jeez they are not even a 289, i like mine , so i guess you should have bought a cobra, not flaming you at all but , keep your 87 if it's the chit, trade me your bullit wheels & take it back, heheheh, :p :D :D

Oh BTW.

I said I would push my kid toward a stang. It will be a v6.

To my knowledge there hasn't been a Cobra owner come in here, and put down the GT. So why are the GT owners doing it to the people with the V6?

I don't know what some people consider to be rice, but what about the Saleen, Roush, and Steeda Mustangs. They didn't come from Ford like that people. They had to be lowered, given wheels, stripes, spoilers, and made to go faster. Everything that some people out there would call "rice" if they saw it done to a V6 Mustang. Why is it called rice when it's a V6, and why is it considered cool when it's a V8?:confused: :confused: :confused:

NOt to mention that Roush does v6 mustangs also...

Marty, it may be that I'm being a little harsh on my 2002. I like the car, and it scores better than my 87 if you'll notice. It's just that I have a 427FE in the garage to put into say a 67 Cougar or something, and instead, I'm putting money into a car payment lol. That's something I haven't had in like 5 years.

Ford has a SOHC engine with a lower redline than my old 87 5.0 pushrod engine. If Ford would have beefed up the bottom end a little to take what a performance engine should make, you could have a 7000rpm redline on the SOHC engine, and make it wind to produce serious power.

I don't really regret buying the car, and once I stick a few hundred into it for mods, I'm sure the character will change dramatically. We'll have to see.

The only thing I've noticed is the average newer 4.6L GT owner has a serious ego. I just happen to know it's out of place. I don't like the ego, and I'd rather people just love the Mustang, period. I don't have a Cobra, or the Mach 1 I'd desperately love to have. If I did, I wouldn't make fun of the GT. I just don't understand where the arrogance comes from?

Amen brother!:D

Seems as though I've forgotten to address the thread topic.

I don't like it when crap gets all riced out. It's a domestic ponycar, not an imported tin can. I like it when people do tasteful modifications, but my idea of tasteful is probably different than a lot of people's.

Really, I think that people who know their cars, put their money and effort into making their car look how THEY like it, or run like THEY like it are entitled to do about anything they want. Turning a car into a ghetto blaster hoopty is one thing. That's just being envious of an inferior crowd. Making your car be what you want it to be is cool. Whether it's all show and no go, or all go and no show. Neither is better than the other in my opinion.

Take pride in your ride. Not because you can beat every car on the street, or it glows like a mirror in the sun, but because you love your car, and you know your car.

I think back to when I was younger. Driving around in my black 88LX Hatch with turbines. That was a NICE looking car. I detailed it, washed it, waxed it, poured blood into it (somtimes literally by accident). It wasn't fast, but it was fun, and even if I couldn't make it fast, at least it was going to look as good as I could afford. Cripes. Maybe you guys should gang up on all the kids out there busting their *** because they are less fortunate than you. The only reason I even had that LX was because I got it for a steal. Feels like you guys are all jumping on me, calling me stupid, and a ricer cause my car wasn't a GT. If there is a person on this board that put a lot more effort into their car than I did in that car, I'd be suprised. Sorry if I'm ranting, but I had as much fun in that little car as any of the other one's I've owned. To tell me I was misguided for thinking it was nice is angering.

My first car was a brand new, bright red/charcoal two tone 1985 lx 2.3. I had the best times of my life with that car. of course i put the einki honeycomb wheels and a gt wing on it but that was only to personalize it. That car went 200k miles and never ever gave me a single problem, until someone hit me and totaled it. God i miss that car. Yeah i got a gt after that but that will never change my love for my first car. Thinking back, being 18 years old then, i probably would have wrapped a gt around a tree, trying to act cool. Thanx dad for NOT letting me get the gt back then, for now i realize why he did that. When i have a son some day, you damn well better believe his first car is Not gonna be a GT, but a v6, and hey, its still a mustang..

I got my first stang when I was seventeen. Since then, I've had a 97 GT and the 2 I drive now. I'm only 21. I've never caused an accident. If you're responsible with what you've got, you'll be alright. 99% of the time, it's the driver, not the car, that gets you into trouble.

This thread is going on forever, so I might as well contribute. First, 1969 Stang the Skyline has a straight 6 TT. At least until the G35 (new skyline) and g35 coupe.

On the topic, I hate big wings on anything. I may put some BFG's with the raised white letters on my Escort, but I think that would look cool. If you drive a v6 stang, you get props from me. I have no stang, and you have one. There is a reason you bought it, BECAUSE IT IS A MUSTANG. Simple as that, heritage, style and for Pete's sake it AIN'T A GM!!!

I also don't understand the hatred for the 6 stangs and silence on the 4's. I have seen countless articles about how if you want to build a hot fox start with an old 2.3 like Josh's. People don't thrash on these cars as much (partly because they can't). I like to think of the little motor cars as time capsules for me.

How hard is it to find a good v8 65-68? Fairly. There is a seemingly endless suply of straight sixes by comparison. In 20 years we will all be buying these v6 cars to drop crazy motors in and relive this so called Muscle Car Revival.

And all that they keep the stang around crap. That is a good reason for them too. I have a friend who draws cars for Mitsubishi. He told me that anyone who bought a base eclipse paid about $400 twoard some guys AWD turbo car. Simply because they couldn't make up the cost on the higher cars. I figure Ford can't be that much different, so I am offering an advance thank you to all the v6 buyers who are keeping my Cobra under 40k.

*stepping off soapbox*

Okay my first ride, which i still have mind you, a 1988 Pontiac Firebird T/A witha 305 now she wasnt a speed demon nor is she now, but i did own a 89 stang LX with a 5.0 and a paxton strapped on it, and i will say from firsthand experience i should have never owned that car, not so much for that fact that i dont love stangs, i do, but i shouldnt have owned a car with that type of power, i know you guys who are older and have had the experience say i am right, you younger and around the same age as me probably think im a wimp, but im 17 and i wrecked it, i hot rodded it and found a curve, she wasnt totalled but i sold her to a buddy cause he loved the car and was willing to fork out the cash to fix it, which was cash i didnt have. But i will say from my own experiance that owning a fast car isnt ALWAYS the best thing, i mean no im not exactly high on V-6 stangs, but ill be honest i wish even now that my car wouldnt have been quite as powerful as it was. Maybe those of you who look at me and say i was a wimp and couldnt handle it, well ill be honest NO I COULDNT, I was 17 and was being stupid and trying to show off, and it bite me. You can take from this what you will but trust me I for one have nothing against V-6 stangs cause maybe had my car been a 6 it wouldnt have ended up off the side of a hill after i missed a curve.

When i first got my 97 V6 i thought that was the best thing ever. I was like HELL YES, i'm driving a Mustang. Then you get people who make you feel like sh*t because it's not a V8. Guys driving down the street pick on you constantly, and the same thing goes for the internet. And not too long after that, i got a 90 LX vert as my beater. It was a 4 cylinder, so i got picked on even worse for that one. Then the tranny went and i sold it for scrap :(

I love Mustangs in general and I wish more guys would not worry about what the V6 guys are doing, but worry about what those GM bastards are doing :D Let the V6 guys tear up the ricers (which is still rather easy) and how bout you V8 guys blow your cars and take on the LS1's.

Tell me, wouldnt that be nice if V6's and V8's both owned somebody instead of V8's worrying about what the "little" brothers are doing? Seriously.

Mustangs :D

People try and tell me I should of bought a real stang instead of a vert. My car is somewhat of a sleeper it looks and sounds stock, its not just super fast but 13.7 @3000ft aint bad. Usually I am just fast enough to beat the people with the big mouths.

People with V6 stangs get treated like crap.....If they try and look like a V8 they are called a poser and if they put nice rims and a killer sound system they are called ricers.

I used to have a 96' V6 Firebird and I always wished it was a V8. I imagine V6 stang owners feel the same, but to each there own.

Later,

Hey peeps. If I had the available cash to go buy a 2003 V6, I'd do it in a second. I live in Screw Jersey (yes, we have the HIGHEST insurance rates in the world:D ). A few "minor" tickets tend to boost your rates ;) .

The only reason I bought a 5.0 is because I happened to find a killer deal and am lucky enough to have a fiancee that lives in MD and is a more "responsible drive." (oh, and I love the torque...)

Too each his own. (putting on flame suit) A v6 is a v6, don't try and make it pass for a v8 or don't make it ricy or I'll smoke it. Oh... and altezzas have no right to be on a domestic... that is unless you like your car to look gay (IMO).

Unit... about that SOHC V8 running at 7000rpm... ever read up on SHM? Sean ?Hilland? Motors? Canadian company that is doing some pretty sweet work on the modular engines.

As a matter of fact, a few of his cars were at the American Ford car show I went to yesterday. What's your point? I hope you're not suggesting that everybody should ship their engine out to a tuner to get it setup to take the kind of performance it should have from the factory? Not to mention after the stories I've been hearing lately, his shop puts out a lot of **** now. I don't like junk. You pay an additional 5k and get a better engine. I got news for you, the 3.8L bottom end will go neck and neck with the SOHC 4.6L according to the guys who own them. So don't try to make the 4.6L look fast, you might run into a 3.8L making the same power, only his car is more reliable, and cheaper to fix. LOL. I'm soooo gonna laugh when you get smoked by a V6.

Yeah, then I'll laugh when I see Satan slipping on all that ice!




But seriously, Unit, you have a 4.6 GT now!! Join us already!!!

I believe my old original Dungeons and Dragons book said the 8th plane of hell was ice. You may get your wish, heheeh.

Haha, I used to do Dungeons and dragons in the early 80's, till my dad said he was afraid I was either going to commit suicide, or become a devil worshipper. He made me stop.

Key word in this post...IMO!

Sinister, just a word of advice...although I agree that people all too often push their unrequested opinions, it is also equal responsibilty to IGNORE IT. They don't always shut up, but they usually go and bother someone else :D

The people that have a GT, and say they LOVE the Mustang, and put down the V6 stangs are the REAL posers. These people are not TRUE Mustang fans at all! :mad: :(

damn straight :)

toche fireman ;)
we as american 21'st century humans always want somthin better: bigger body parts, better jobs, lives, more attractive partners, nicer cars... the list is endless. i don't know how we became fixated on the future or of "what could be better than now". why can't we enjoy our short time here in the present?

rice by my definition is overkill; projecting an image of false performance and destroying a beautiful orginal design with sensory overloading eye candy. . deep down we all want somthin better. every 6 owner would love to own a horsepower v8 monster with shiny rims an a killer sound system. GT owners would love to own the nasty ford cobras an the killer horsepower, torque and performance of fabled big bad snake emblem. cobra owners would love to own the speciality high dollar trophy ponys in the elite mustang corral: saleens, roush, shinodas, steedas.. the universal link that keeps us togther: we all want somthin better an we all love mustangs.

some people say immitiaton is the highest form of flattery and I agree. thats why we as car nuts are willing to tear up, rip out, polish, spit shine an build from the ground, up our dream cars; why we pour thousands upon thousands of dollars into automobiles. we dress them to be our dream cars with body mods, better wheels, turbos, nitrous, superchargers an good ol fashioned cubic inches to make what we are forced to settle for run an look like our dream cars...

...but when you can't decide which model you want to imitate, i.e roush wheels, a shinoda wing, and cobra body emblems, and saleen hood, and steeda body kit, and its not executed with class an style seemlessly and is simply bloody sensory overkill.. that my friend is rice. i don't care if its a 4, 6, 8 or 12. an ugly car is an ugly car and an "ugly car" is negating the balance between style and form and the cars natural original design characteristics. by not utilizing the cars natural design and enhacing those aspects, it jus looks like a failed attempt at glory and it shows to the artistic eye.

if your gonna "enhance" your car, look at the lines, the pannels an the shape of the body, look at function before form, an realize people designed the o.e body for looks. these ponys look bad a** lowered w/ nicer tires. they were designed by artists and engineers decade after decade trying their best to continue the legend of the mustang: its history, prestige, and its place in americana , but its up to us...to make these ponies hual a** :cool:

I still don't like v6s :p

I will admit there are some very nicely done ones, my friends in fact own several nice 6's, and for that I respect them very much. The majority of sixes out there, though, are single tipped, hubcapped, 150hp nonperformance stangs. Those are the sixes I wish were not stangs. I don't want to offend anyone here, v6s can be nice, but stock, I don't think they are.

Yeah dude I can't believe they actually once came with hubcaps..94/95 only I think, MAYBE in 96...freeking disgusting :mad:

My 98 came with the 15x7 brushed aluminum retarded triangle rims...those were replaced with waffle stars in 2 weeks :D

stoplight, you still dont seem to understand that without the v6's, there would be no gt's. Ford almost stopped making the mustang all together back about 94. Its the v6 sales that kept it alive. To each his own, I say.

I'm suprised to hear that from SHM... where have you heard these stories? It's too bad... As far as 3.8 bottom end being stronger?? Isn't the 4.6 bottom end the same as the 5.4? Yeah... that's right, the one in the F-150 pickups... the most sold vehicle on the planet. How can the 4.6 bottom end be that much less reliable than a 3.8? Is there any meat to back this up? If the 3.8 bottom end is so much better, why is the top end so restricted? 5200RPM redline?

You can probably run circles around me with your knowledge of mechanics, but I can't see where you are going at? You make it sound like a V6 is a way better buy... yet you still get a GT. Like StoplightWarrior says... when are you joining the club already? It's like you don't like your new GT. Is it the payments that make you grumpy?

As for laughing when a V6 stang beats me... I'll let you know the day it happens. Meanwhile can I inform you everytime I beat a V6?

unit i said at the very begging of this thread, im not going to bash v-6 stangs, i dont have an arrogant attitude towards them at all, tey are a mustang, i kinda like the stripe some of them have at the bottom, i also said, i have seen riced out gt's & cobra's, i dont think my gt is better than a 6, i would'nt mind having a 65 straight 6 car,thats all i was saying, 3.8's not riced out are ok with me.:cool:

unit i said at the very begginig of this thread, im not going to bash v-6 stangs, i dont have an arrogant attitude towards them at all, they are a mustang, i kinda like the stripe some of them have at the bottom, i also said, i have seen riced out gt's & cobra's, i dont think my gt is better than a 6, i would'nt mind having a 65 straight 6 car,thats all i was saying, 3.8's not riced out are ok with me.:cool:

My v6
 

http://users.starpower.net/susanandtad/slashstang1.JPG

HMMMMMMMMMMM...looks like a Mustang...

I like it and thats all that matters! If you don't.. P*SS OFF!

I plan on buying an older "GT" or "Cobra" so I can modify it to my liking. My V6 is NICE looking and the leather seats aint bad either! Too bad some of you V8 guys have to have that V8 to compensate for the lack of ........ (you fill in the word).

Thanks to all the V8 Brothers who have chimed in on us "Lil brothers". ITS much appreciated. Too many jack asses driving Mustangs these days. Oh and by the way I make over 50K (I actually make more) and can afford a V8 but Id rather have a house FIRST! SO what crappy things do you have to say about me. I aint a college kid or in High School so money or insurance wasn't the issue either.

Peace!

I'm not saying ALL new GT owners have an arrogance, Marty.

Lizard King the 5.4L trucks had tremendous crank problems. Lot's of them went bad, just for the record. Also, the V6 redline is NOT 5200rpm. Jeez. It makes it's max power right where the 4.6L does. 190hp@5250rpm I'm not sure where redline is. The new V6 isn't the old 145-150hp V6 turd you'll find in the 1994-1998 cars. With a 5spd and a good driver, the new V6 is a true low 15 threat right off the floor. MM&FF got one to pull off a 14.97 or so back a couple years with no money in. Just the freebies like pulling the spare and jack, etc.

The 3.8L bottom end is quoted as being okay to 350hp. That's about where the 4.6L becomes iffy, is it not? www.v6power.net Why do people always read only what they want to? I never said the 3.8L was superior, or that it was so much better. I said it would go neck and neck. That implies equal. There certainly are some 4.6L's making more than 350hp on the stock bottom end, but I don't know as it's recommended.

I don't know what would lead you to think the parts in the 3.8L would be so much inferior to V8 parts? The V8 has no forged components. It's just like any other commuter car in the parts department. Obviously the less number of cylinders, the more stress you're asking the individual parts to take for the same power. I'm just pointing out the V6 is no performance dud anymore. Much like it's big brother the 4.6L, the V6 finally got some go power worthy of a Mustang.

Sean himself apparently does good work, but I've heard that he has a lot of "assistants" who aren't up to snuff. I read something, make note of the information, but I don't store the source. I visit a couple different Mustang sites, and I search many more.

Yeah, my 95 6 had 15x7 hubcabs. I remember one time I was at Taco Bell and my car was parked right outside. There was a group of teenagers standing around it, and one of em said, "That's a nice car." to which another replied, "yeah, maybe if you get rid of those gay hubcaps." then another said, "yeah, and drop in an 8" then I had to walk to my car to leave, and they all laughed cause they knew I heard.

I loved my v6 mustang when I first got up until I learned all it's dirty secrets...its real HP rating, its weight, and the way all the fast car driving guys would give me real looks of "respect" whenever I pulled up at a light next to them. I seriously actually thought they were too scared to race me, and that was why they didnt!!! Haha, how naive was I?


Everyone keeps saying that it is the 6 that keeps the mustang in production. To that I say: Thank you everyone who makes the sacrifice and purchases a v6. You have made my life much better. Thanks to all the scared parents who want to do something "nice" for their high school grads or 16 year olds. Thanks to all the old women who want to just look good in their ride, despite most other factors. Thanks to all the college grads who can't really afford a muscle car, so they settle on a 6. Thanks to all the girls who don't know any better so they make daddy buy them a pretty mustang. A big thank you to all who drive v6's. Next time I see you on the road, I'll throw up a peace sign. If you know why, throw it back, otherwise, just go on ignoring me like all you sixers do anyway.

Re: My v6
 

nice looking ride, i love that color of blue, hey i dont bash the 3.8 it's still a stang to me, if it isnt riced out cool, your ride is sharp, i like it, i just got a gt on a whim, they didnt have the color i wanted on the v-6 cars on the lot, unit no problem, my gt isnt the fastest car around, i was just saying, im not bashing a 6 if its cool looking, as the above blue 3.8 ;) :D

Re: My v6
 

I make 45K Candian (= about 30K US), I pay taxes through my arse (Canada), I have a kid, a wife, a house, a winter beater, a cat AND GT! What was your point again? Oh yeah you have different priorities.... well that is fine, and I respect that.

You V6 guys have a serious inferiority complex ... In general most people here agree that the V6s are a good thing. Only one has said he didn't like them ... and he is in title to his opinion. I don't like neons. Modified or not, they suckarse... it is MY opinion, you can educate me better about them, but it is still MY opinion.

I HATE RICED OUT MUSTANGS ... which in my area seem to consist more V6s than anything else. If you feel threatenned by that statement ... please go take your Altezzas off. :)

UNIT, thanks for the clarifications... I am pretty sure though last time I sat in a V6 that the tach was reading 5200rpm redline. Maybe one of the V6 guys can correct me if I am wrong. As well, the shifter felt really different... do any of you know what they put in there for shifting?

i know, i'm still rollin on those dinky 16 an aluminum waffles. i really love the 96 stock cobra 17' wheels with the recessed star pattern.(not cobra R's). they really set off the wheels, but its impossible to find them. its been a headache tryin to find somthin different that won't look stupid an won't bust the bank. wanted some 17's on American racing lemans wheels, but they've been discontinued. i'm undecided on 95 or 99 cobra r's or the torque Thrust GT's. they both look sweet..:confused:


i love your car's color, is that factory? :cool:

also, i've been wantin to learn how to ride a bike for a while now loved them (since i was a kid) an was lookin at a beggining rider course through a local colllege. I'm not really in to speed bikes (crotch rockets) an am more fond of jus cruisin on a harley or choppers particularly. i know the course is probably going to use beater bikes, but are they more likely to use speed bikes than cruisers for learning purposes, and would you recommend taking a course like this for a virgin rider?

thanx,
oh no 5.0

Thanks! No, I got her repainted a few months ago, the actual shade is BMW Anthracite Gray.

They use 125cc beater standard bikes to teach you. I already do recommend the course for a virgin riders like you and I :) Sure, its elementary knowledge, but you gotta start somewhere! For those that have already started, it seems to be a nice brush up on basics, and a more convenient way to get your M class license. I'm a big fan of Jap cruisers and "sport" cruisers, like the Yammy Vmax. Don't worry about that yet, just take the course, then...GO SHOPPING!! :D

Lizard King
 

A 5-speed 99+ V6 will go 0-60 in 7 seconds... 15.7 1/4 mile
Pretty good performance numbers "stock" if you ask me...

You V6 guys have a serious inferiority complex ...

hmmmm..this thread was started by GT owner...YOU.. stating why do v6 mustangs rice up their cars..Tell you what you drive your V8 and Ill drive my V6...AND its mine so Ill do with it what I want!

Oh and I plan on putting a Gt hood scoop on my car as well as dual exhaust and Bullit rims...To bad I dont live near you where you can see it when Im done.........Is that RICE enough for you?

:mad:

Re: Lizard King
 

Actually, I think your v6 will look very nice with those mods. It may not have any balls...but it will still look nice. I wouldn't consider those mods to make your car rice. Just don't put GT badges on it. ;)

StoplightWarrior ---> BINGO! Exactly my thoughts word for word.

Again if you are pissed by MY comments, it is your problem. I HAVE NO ISSUES WHAT SO EVER WITH V6s, - RICED OUT MUSTANGS (INCLUDES V6/V8) ARE THE ONES I DISLIKE ... what I am saying is around here it seems that all the riced up mustangs are V6s.

You seem to think making your V6 look like a V8 makes it look ricy, ...I don't. The word that springs to mind is "poser".:D

- Did I say that outloud? Oh my my my... -

True, 15.7 is not bad for stock. Almost faster than a stock Civic Si, and about the same as a J-Body 2.4L.

When I see a GT owner with an ego the words that spring to mind are "dumba** poser"!

Did I say that outloud? Ya d*** right I did!

And if you're p***ed off by that comment, I couldn't care less.

02slashstang your stang is freakin sweet, and if these two wanna put you down, and every other V6 driving, Mustang loving, American out there then forget them. The V6 people are gonna do whatever the h*** they want to do to their cars, and all you people who call that rice don't know your a** from a hole in the ground. Some of the V8 owners seem to wanna put people that have Mustangs into two "clubs". As far as I see it we're all in ONE club, the MUSTANG CLUB. The club that includes everyone with a Mustang from 1964 to whenever the last one is gonna be made NO MATTER WHAT TYPE IT IS. The only bad part about it is some of the members think that they're SOOOOOOOOOOO much better than some of the others.

P.S. I hope I haven't p***ed off anyone other than the V6 haters out there. :)

Amen to that. --> look no roll eyes <--

Did I hurt your ego Fireman... sorry to hear that. The proof that I care about you Fireman, is I have repeated my point over and over again, but you chose not to listen... so whatever man. You set the example for your sibilings... We are all Mustang owners, but there are some we'd rather ignore. (Like the 88HP Mustang II during the gas crisis in the the 70s.) THE NEW V6 IS A GOOD STANG ... NOT EVEN A SECOND APART FROM THE 96-98 GTs.

Is this clear enough?

There isn't much you can say to hurt me. I don't like riced out stangs either. It's when the talk turned to how bad the V6 is to begin with that I had something to say. Don't get me wrong I didn't come here to fight with anyone Ok.:) But I'm not going to just sit here, and let people rag on the car I love. The Mustang II might be the worst stang so far, but I don't want to forget it. I think everything has been said about this topic so why don't we just drop it, and get onto something else Ok.:D

Sure, just as soon as you admit that GT owners are better people than v6 owners. :D