I will say that because my Ford Mustang Has Mazda written on the engine and some other parts. Mazda has ford on it and ford has Mazda. Are they the same quality whose to say if my engine blows I can blame it on Mazda if my seats break I blame it on ford. People that do not know that they have a mazda engine and blow the engine in a Ford will blame it on ford when in reality they could have a mazda engine.

To make this short Ford rules!!!:D :D :D

I guess my point is that you could have a Mazda that is built with all Mazda parts, and if it was a piece of ****, to say that Ford sucks because Ford owns mazda would be stupid.

Or to say that Mazda's cant be better than Fords because Ford owns Mazda or vice versa would be stupid.

They can have management ties yet still produce different quality products.

Honda since its inseption in the USA has been an American company.Portrade as Japenese.What American company ownes Honda Well Honda.
If youve ever done Goverment B4 forms for Multie national companies it always seams funny to find out where and who started them.
Would you guys say that most of Hollywood studios are Japenese ?or Banff for Us in Alberta. Well they are owned by the Japenese. I cant remember wich one off hand and would have to do a search through work.

Look at the money where it started and goes.

Ford Gm are they still American Companies yes they will always be. even if they produce more vehicles overseas.


as far as mazda and ford having diffrent quality well i was thinking of the vehicles produced in the same factory on the same day that are badged diffrently like the ranger and b2000 were
the 323 and whatever ford called it./ what about the probe built by mazda labled by ford.

Thats ridiculous. Honda was started in Japan in 1946 and opened the American division in 1959. it is a jap company with a north american division.

As far as Ford and Mazda, yes they do share some vehicles with different name plates, interior and trim. But Ford obviously has vehicles that have nothing to do with mazda, as mazda aslo has vehicles that have nothing to do with Ford.

ok how about this a group af us businesmen intent on making money and helping out there ravenged ansestrial homeland decide to open a bussiness in their ansestors homeland.with money given to rebuild provided by the us goverment.

the company is incorperated and moves to Japan (From the US)

the company latter returns its headquarters to the US.

So if Some US companies open factories in Iraq and start producing good's and the management is Iraqy are they Iraqi factories ?

It might sound rediculios but hey who wants to admit that Bin Ladin was friends with the Bushes or that Bushes Family made money selling War material to the Germans.

If you were a US company after WWII would you want people knowing you were investing in Japan.


Is it ridiculous to think that not to long ago the US Supported Bin Ladin (against the Russians) Helped Sadam Hussain, or that g Bush senior was partialy responsible for Bin Ladins training through the CIA ???

dont mean to argue or sound stupid but hey somethings some people dont know.

Fords Reputation
 

I think the problem is dividing Ford into 2 distinct categories.

1) Ford when they care.

An example of Ford when they care is anything with the SVT label, Mustangs, and F-150's. All of these vehicles have long-running reliability records. I would even include early Ford Escorts.

2) Ford when they don't care.

This would include what they did to the T-bird in the 80's, the Mustang II, Middle-age Escorts, and especially the Taurus. These are the vehicles that give Ford the Bad rep, IMHO. Either they relied on Name power, or in some cases just went in on a wing and a prayer.


Of course, that's just my $0.02 , and you may feel I need to be given change. ;)

Say what? A group of Japenese americans started the business in Japan, but you say its an american company?

Ah, ok...whatever dude

Today cars are all made by different manufacturers and everything is contracted out, all a car company has to do is say "make this" and then assemble it. Most cars are "made" in Taiwan, China, Mexico and wherever else parts can be made at slave labor prices, whether it's a Honda, Ford, Mitsubishi, Chrysler or Volkswagen. Also major distributors like AC Delco, Motorcraft, Nippondenso, Bosch to name a few - design and make alot of the parts that go on cars and even domestics get import parts on them (Bosch oxygen sensors, Mass air sensors, etc.)

Most people who say "XXXX car company sucks" either have had a bad experience with one of that company's cars or are blindly brand loyal, don't maintain their cars, or don't know anything about cars in general. Some people are well educated, and may just be comfortable with that make of car and tend to overlook all the flaws of that make.
Also, any car is a POS if you don't maintain and beat on the thing, which is something that i've seen people do and then blame the car.

I stopped arguing with people along time ago, i just smile and nod and say "I like my POS".

Re: Fords Reputation
 

I agree. And I would buy all the cars in #1 and none of the cars in #2.

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Whats wrong with the taurus? All I remember is hearing about how great of a car it was.

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My buddy has one with 178K on the clock. Loves it. He said it is one of the toughest cars he has ever owned. And he is tough on cars. He not big on maintenence.

Like any car company ford has had bad models and bad cars. The next time some one says something about a ford tell them you drive a ford because you can afford to.

I have owned various makes of cars. The Mustang I own has given me one problem which was a leaking shift modulator. I love my 73 VW Beetle but the engine dropped a valve and explode the engine about a year and a half ago and required a complete build of a new engine. My 79 Malibu has 195,000 on it and has never left me walking. My S-10 has broken 2 crankshafts but I wouldn't give the truck up. The worst car I owned was an 81 AMC Concord which I bought new and was in the dealer every week until the warranty ran out. The second worst was 79 Plymouth Champ (Mitsubishi), rod knock at 35k cracked head at 42k.

I have friends who have owned Ford Rangers and have had dozens of breakdowns. I guess the biggest thing is you never know what will go wrong with anything you buy. If it breaks, fix it. If it breaks again, hotrod it.

people keep knocking the mustang ll, but if it werent for the mll we wouldnt have amustang today. it was the right car for the right time. regarding the tbird, i had an 84 and i liked it untill the cfi system in it took a dump. i wish i had the money to keep that car, can you say 460 swap? the escorts are good cars, but i wouldnt own one mostly because i dont like small front drive cars, with a couple of exceptions. and as far as the taurus goes, the only ones with real problems were the 3.8 powered ones. the 3.0 cars were virtually bulletproof. my mom has had 2 sables(the mercury variant), an 87 and the current 97, and both have been extremely reliable. everyone wants the hotrods, but the pedestrian cars are what keep the automakers profitable.