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The Fireman 11-13-2002 07:34 PM

Would you like to see the Camaro return?
 
Well would you?

PKRWUD 11-13-2002 07:43 PM

Not really. I thought it looked way too Japanese in it's 4th generation, and was very unattractive. I am looking forward to next years return of the GTO, though!

Take care,
~Chris

Kamaro Killer 11-13-2002 08:27 PM

No
 
I never really liked Slomaros, except for 67-69's. I didn't really like the design of them too well, although their engines had some potential. It'd be nice to have something to kick around again, but I doubt we'll see them gone for many, many years. I hope if it does come back, they disgrace it by making it a sedan, lol. Later, Keith

digital3.3 11-13-2002 08:27 PM

na the camaro is gone and like chris said it was funny looking. but damn i didn't know the GTO was coming back, that should be something neat to see.

-murray

cyberstang5.0 11-13-2002 08:45 PM

F-bodies suck! http://www.westsidemustangs.com/foru...miles/moon.gif










:D

LayanRubr 11-13-2002 08:52 PM

Well guys we're gonna need competetion in the market! That produces better and faster cars so companys dont slack off and do dumb designs. Plus I mean currently Dodge doesnt have a hot contender (Viper too $$$) and now Camaro is out of the game for a bit. We also need new domestic motors to help battle the rice waves :D ;).

0h n0 5.0 11-13-2002 10:14 PM

i'm with layan, man even if it was a chebby, it was one hell of a machine, the z an SS were pretty nice.. gm made it alot nicer than those 80's irocs an 305's... only to kill it when they fine tuned everything it in 2001.:confused: we domestic guys (chevy, ford, dodge) guys gotta hold our own against them tojo's an krauts :D

we need the mid priced competition v8 pony cars, DODGE took it up the ***, an now chevy put their only affordable pony car to the glue factory, so the only thing left is the uber-swank zo6, or the jezzeus-frickin christmas-how-much-a-month-is-this-car-a-month? VIPER for RWd performance.

not exactly teeming with buyers for affordable v8 domestic performance..

if we're the top for a long time, the designers will slack off, quit improving on it, an we'll fall behind in innovation an design. so if a return happens, we'll be playing catch up..


plus..I HATE IMPORT wanna b's an theres enough of them around to justify the hate :mad:.. big guys drivin lil comuter cars fartin by while blindin eveybody with 800,000 watts of piaa lighting an wings i can get satelite stations from ...eww

PKRWUD 11-13-2002 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digital3.3
but damn i didn't know the GTO was coming back, that should be something neat to see.

-murray

Quote:

General Motors Press Release 8:00 a.m EST June 20, 2002

ÊPontiac Confirms GTO Production

DETROIT Ñ
General Motors and its Australian division, Holden, have completed an agreement to return the legendary Pontiac GTO to U.S. highways in late 2003 as a 2004 model. Holden will produce up to 18,000 of the modern, high-performance coupes each year at its Elizabeth plant.

Bob Lutz, Chairman of GM's North American Operations, was a key player in bringing back the GTO as a modern interpretation of the legendary muscle car. After he drove the Holden Monaro during a recent trip to Australia, he knew he had found a vehicle to serve as the basis for the new GTO. "I love driving this car," Lutz said, raving about the Monaro's 5.7-liter V8, 6-speed manual transmission. "It shares that V8 heritage and a brawny, muscular stance with the classic GTO, and it will make a fine flagship for Pontiac.

The addition of the 2004 GTO to the Pontiac lineup is a giant step in Pontiac's mission to contemporize the way it expresses excitement for the 21st century. "We want to focus on creating vehicles with a clean, fresh expression of Pontiac styling and provide our customers with a 'total performance' package that delivers both impressive power and superior handling," said Lynn Myers, Pontiac-GMC general manager. "The introduction of the new GTO in late 2003 will be the 'exclamation point" on the exciting evolution of the division, moving Pontiac performance to the next level."

2004 PONTIAC GTO

The 2004 Pontiac GTO will share much of the sculpted and clean styling of the current 2002 Holden Monaro CV8 coupe, with unique Pontiac brand character, including a dual-port grille and powered by a specially tuned version of the 5.7-liter LS1 V8 (shared with some models of the Chevrolet¨ Corvette¨) mated to a choice of either a 6-speed manual or 4-speed automatic transmission. The rear-wheel-drive coupe will feature 17" alloy wheels, 2+2 bucket seating, and a premium sound system with an integrated 6-disc CD changer. Additional performance and feature details are still being finalized and will be released closer to the public unveiling of the GTO at the Los Angeles and North American International Auto Shows.

HOLDEN MONARO

The Holden Monaro was originally introduced in 1968 and was immediately lauded as the ultimate high-performance coupe. It was the first all-Australian sports coupe of its type. Strong public sentiment led Holden officials to bring back the Monaro name for its all-new 2001 coupe. Monaro became an instant classic when it was released in Australia last October and has become the most high-profile, sought-after car on Australian roads today.

GTO HISTORY

The Pontiac GTO sprang to life in 1963 as a 1964 model. It has been called the most famous muscle car in the high-performance automobile history. Also known as "The Legend" and "The Great One," GTO is the car that started it all.
Prior to 1964, performance cars were full-size hardtops and sedans with the largest displacement engines available. But, hot rodders had known for years that they could go faster if you put big engines in smaller, lighter cars. Engine swaps were standard operating procedure for this level of car buff, but that was backyard tinkering, not corporate engineering.
Driving enthusiasts' dreams came true in October of 1963 when the $299.95 GTO option, RPO W62, quietly joined the 1964 Pontiac Tempest¨/LeMans¨ option list. The heart of the original GTO option package was a 325-horsepower 389-cubic-inch V8, a Carter AFB four-barrel carburetor, rear-wheel drive, a hydraulic camshaft, and impressive torque. Other standard features included a heavy duty clutch, heavy duty suspension, dual exhaust, US Royal red-line tires, a 3.23:1 rear axle ratio, twin hood scoops, and an assortment of GTO emblems.
Take care,
~Chris

jj_jonathon 11-13-2002 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 0h n0 5.0
i'm with layan, man even if it was a chebby, it was one hell of a machine, the z an SS were pretty nice.. gm made it alot nicer than those 80's irocs an 305's... only to kill it when they fine tuned everything it in 2001.:confused:
my brother has an 02 SS...he has more problems with that car than we get with our 90 GT with 200,000miles on it....theyre rather flawed in many aspects from engine to rear....hes already had chevy replace his entire engine because of a piston...and he still gets knocking sounds....so they arent too perfect....his is definetly a f***ing sweet car though....

Dark_5.0 11-13-2002 10:52 PM

I actually like the LS-1 camaro's..........I will be happy to see them return just like I was when Nissan released the 350Z.

I pretty much like almost any sports car I am not just a brand loyal Ford guy.

Later,

84LX89GT 11-14-2002 12:31 AM

I personally liked the F-bodies...cheap to build up, cheap to get parts....cheap in general.

They are also damn fast. I hate to see any domestic RWD V8 sports car go. The only kind of "sports" car i'd ever own will be RWD so seeing all of these garbage FWD cars come out sucks big time.

I'm not a big fan of japanese cars in general and although i like quite a few European cars, most RWD sports cars are crazy expensive. I can honestly say that i may someday own a Camaro/Firebird (....yes i like to punish myself :D), so i'm sorry to see the F-body go. Plus with the F-body gone, what will mustangs look forward to being rivals with?

The Sandman 11-14-2002 02:04 AM

No.
They're ugly.
Firebird all the way :D

Crazy Horse GT 11-14-2002 02:30 AM

sandman, you would have loved it, saw a 69 bird for sale, with oem hubcap's - perfect shape dark green. ;) :D :D :D :cool:

1969Mach1 11-14-2002 11:11 AM

I must agree with most people, I was never a fan of the Camaro's other then the 67-69. I didn't mind the Iroc-Z but still wasn't my choice. I wouldn't mind them bringing back the Firebird though, even though it was a GM I still liked it. :D :D I'm lookin' forward to the GTO and the Grand Prix is going to be a V8 with rumours of it being RWD. Hmm... what V8 engine would they throw in there? LS1? :eek: Well I'm looking forward to see what GM has in store for us Ford guys.

§am.

95mustanggt 11-14-2002 01:15 PM

I think the Camero gave the Mustang some good competition. I do think that the latest Camero's looked like a cross between a Cavalier and an Intrepid. I would like to see some classic detail features come back in a new F-body. That all being said, if Ford continues to make badass Mustang's who need's the Camero?

jj_jonathon 11-14-2002 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Sandman
No.
They're ugly.
Firebird all the way :D

trans ams all the way IMO...hehe....god i love the WS6...how about a formula WS6? *drooools*....hehe...ever heard of the blackbird? ive only ever seen one....damn it was sweet...lol

Mustangmom2k 11-14-2002 01:35 PM

I like TransAms, too. I didn't care much for the last generation Camaro, though. It's styling was just sort of "blah" and almost non-descript. I don't know squat about their performance, though. Never paid attention and never owned one. I would like to see them come back with some styling cues from the earlier ones. I also think that our tradition of American pony cars is being systematically eroded, and the Camaro is one example. I just hate to see tradition fade away.

I say bring it back.

1969Mach1 11-14-2002 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jj_jonathon
trans ams all the way IMO...hehe....god i love the WS6...how about a formula WS6? *drooools*....hehe...ever heard of the blackbird? ive only ever seen one....damn it was sweet...lol
The WS6's were sooooo sweeet. I never heard of a blackbird. I liked the Firehawk. That was a pretty limited production car and I seen a handful running around my town. I liked the 35th Anniversery Trans-Am, my favorite combo was the white with the blue rims.

http://community.webshots.com/rs2/6/...9hBCcjb_ph.jpg
This is a picture of one I took at a track I went to in the summer, it was just parked in the parking lot. Mostly because it was a Ford & Mustang day, but it still was worthy of a picture. :D

§am.

The Fireman 11-14-2002 02:56 PM

My main problem with the Camaro was the way it looked. Man that thing was UGLY in it's last years. Looked too much like the early 70's Camaros, and man those things hurt my eyes when I looked at um. Reminded me of a fish with it's mouth open.

Plus the F-bodys didn't have that much room on the inside. I looked at buying a 97 Firebird, and I kept hitting my head on the roof while I was sitting in it. And I'd hate to think I had to sit in those back seats very long. No room at all back there. :confused:

DAN-MAN 11-14-2002 07:39 PM

Nah, I could care less about the Camaro coming back. I wouldn't mind seeing something from GM to match the Mustang. I wouldn't mind it 'cause the Mustang needs some more domestic competiton I think.

Daniel.

The Deuce 11-14-2002 08:09 PM

I woudn't mind seeing them around some more. For some reason though, I just don't understand Camaro guys. Maybe its because I'm died in the wool Ford, but there is just something off about them.

The best afternoon I ever spent with a car salesman was at the Chevy dealer in Santa Barbara. Walked onto the lot because I saw a 97 Cobra that I felt like driving. Ended up driving an LTI SS, LSI z28, and the Cobra. For some reason he thought I was going to buy the z, but I had no job, no cash etc.

Long story short, the GM's may have been faster, but the Cobra felt better. Riding around in it I felt like looking for a race, with the salesman riding shotgun. Its inexplainable, but I get that same feeling everytime I fire up a Mustang.

joe4speed 11-15-2002 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Sandman
No.
They're ugly.
Firebird all the way :D


I agree.. Firebirds and Trans-Ams are sweet. Camaros just don't look as good.

Crazy Horse GT 11-15-2002 12:56 AM

the bird's looked good, the camaro looked like a dying catfish, bwahahaha.:p :D :D :D :D :rolleyes:

jj_jonathon 11-15-2002 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crazy Horse GT
the bird's looked good, the camaro looked like a dying catfish, bwahahaha.:p :D :D :D :D :rolleyes:
as opposed to the incredibly different-looking alive catfish?

PKRWUD 11-15-2002 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jj_jonathon
as opposed to the incredibly different-looking alive catfish?
Certainly! The living ones are pretty quick!

Take care,
~Chris

this is not cbring 11-16-2002 12:23 PM

i like camaro's............i had an 80 camaro........i wish i coulda kept it and hopped it up.....

not so keen on the 4th gens, i hate the styling, and the things are rolling blindspots........i had no feel for the edges of the car, no confidence in tight manuevering.........i'd still prolly buy an lt1 just for the straight line........might sell the monte for one next summer, or something

i don't really care if they come back, i'd rather have a vette or a cobra...........or if i'm spending under 30, some sort of import

MEDIK418 11-16-2002 05:35 PM

Actually, I would like to see them bring the Camaro back. Think about it. If they do away with it, it will leave one V-8 powered pony car out there and the only sales competition will be made up of Uncle Ben's fried rice. Sure, they'll still be selling Vettes and Vipers but those are way out of most folks' range. Pretty soon Ford may see a market that is leaning more toward Focus type performance than something as powerful as a big wasteful Mustang. I don't think for a minute that Ford was developing Mustangs all these years to compete with the Honda Civic sales. To me, the death of the rear wheel drive F-body may signal the evolution of the front wheel drive, DOHC four banger Mustang. . .with a big fart pipe and suzuki stickers al over it. I wonder if Ford's version will be a say VTEKKK on the fender.

bigred90gt 11-17-2002 11:36 AM

Of course they should bring them back. I have a feeling they will do the same thing that they did with the Vette. Kill it off for a couple of years, then bring it back totally re-designed. I just hope that when they do, they do away with the cheap a** interior. After a year or so, they sound like they are going to fall apart. A friend of mine has a 01 SS and the interior rattles like you would not believe. I also hope they fix the front end. I drove one once, and you can't see the end of the car. As far as power goes, they definately have it. The friend with the SS, changed the plugs, o2 sensors, gutted the cats, and tuned the computer and is running consistent 12.4's in the 1/4. Pretty impressive if you ask me.

Caymon

PKRWUD 11-17-2002 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigred90gt
I have a feeling they will do the same thing that they did with the Vette. Kill it off for a couple of years, then bring it back totally re-designed.
In what year(s) did this happen???

this is not cbring 11-17-2002 08:42 PM

no 83 model vette

PKRWUD 11-17-2002 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by this is not cbring
no 83 model vette
That's one year. When were the "couple of years"?

this is not cbring 11-17-2002 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PKRWUD
That's one year. When were the "couple of years"?
i'm not the one that said it.

jj_jonathon 11-18-2002 12:09 AM

i didnt see him direct that to you.....you jump too quick

this is not cbring 11-18-2002 12:57 AM

jump?

LOL............i think i was yawning when i typed that. i think that PKRWUD can handle it without me sugar-coating.

PKRWUD 11-18-2002 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by this is not cbring
jump?

LOL............i think i was yawning when i typed that. i think that PKRWUD can handle it without me sugar-coating.

Excuse me?

LS1JAY 12-05-2002 05:21 PM

Re: No
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Kamaro Killer
I never really liked Slomaros, except for 67-69's. I didn't really like the design of them too well, although their engines had some potential. It'd be nice to have something to kick around again, but I doubt we'll see them gone for many, many years. I hope if it does come back, they disgrace it by making it a sedan, lol. Later, Keith
All this from a guy who posted timeslips of his car running 16's in the 1/4?:p ;) you're funny man!:D

ultraflo 12-05-2002 08:26 PM

I would definitely like to see the Camaro come back... I'm sick of looking at import "performance" cars with buzz bombs prowling the streets. We need more domestic "muscle" cars, badly.

The GTO sounds like it's going to be a pretty sweet ride... the LS1 is a good motor that offers alot of HP potential. Plus, I love the fact that it's a push rod motor. GM did good with the motor, but fell on thier *** with the late model Camaro styling. The SS Camaro was a nice improvement, but not good enough, IMHO.

The rumor is that the re-released Camaro will have styling reminiscent of the 67-69 bodies... which I just happen to really like. :D If they manage to pull that off, then I just might venture to the dark side, lol. ;)

67-69 styling with LS1 power.... that would really be something worth looking into. We'll see. I'm not liking the direction Ford is moving with the Mustang, but I'll hold off on trashing them until the final product arrives.

I'll always love the Fox body Mustang, regardless of what the future holds in store for domestic performance.

On a side note... the Corvette died after 1967, IMHO. The 63-67 'Vette is one of my all time favorite American muscle cars as well.

Kamaro Killer 12-05-2002 08:41 PM

Lets see your first time slip
 
Did you not read what I said? I like the engine's (the engines have potential) but not the car, otherwise I'd own one and not a stang. Should I have lied about my timeslips? You know, I do own more than one mustang, hence the name "Kamaro Killer"! BTW, are you just ***-hurt that they stopped making your car cause nobody wanted to buy them anymore, or did you just feel like talking **** to me for no reason?

LS1JAY 12-05-2002 08:50 PM

Re: Lets see your first time slip
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Kamaro Killer
Did you not read what I said? I like the engine's (the engines have potential) but not the car, otherwise I'd own one and not a stang. Should I have lied about my timeslips? You know, I do own more than one mustang, hence the name "Kamaro Killer"! BTW, are you just ***-hurt that they stopped making your car cause nobody wanted to buy them anymore, or did you just feel like talking **** to me for no reason?
Just felt like talking S#!t to you! :D relax man, why are you so upset? I have what I have because I like it, the same reason you have what you have, if I wanted a Mustang, I would have one!;) I meant no harm, relax!:cool:

BTW, here is my first timeslip with my car, I have only ever made 5 passes with it, 2 one trip and 3 on another, the temp was in the mid 60's. I have however been drag racing for over 16 years.

http://image.photoloft.com/opx-bin/O...249,640,FFFFFF;)

Kamaro Killer 12-05-2002 08:58 PM

Sorry dude
 
I've gotten a hard time from EVERYBODY about my slips. I wasn't implying that a Camaro is slow by any means, but it doesn't mean I have to like it, so I voiced my opinion. I was just kidding about them making it a sedan. I thought your post was just rubbing it in more, I am sorry if that was not your intention. Take care, Keith

LS1JAY 12-05-2002 09:01 PM

Re: Sorry dude
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Kamaro Killer
I've gotten a hard time from EVERYBODY about my slips. I wasn't implying that a Camaro is slow by any means, but it doesn't mean I have to like it, so I voiced my opinion. I was just kidding about them making it a sedan. I thought your post was just rubbing it in more, I am sorry if that was not your intention. Take care, Keith
No big deal man, I was just playin'! I know what it's like to not run what you should with a set up, I have been there with other cars and it can take a toll on ya'! I really do understand, I'm sure you'll get it figure out.

Jay:cool:

PKRWUD 12-05-2002 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ultraflo
On a side note... the Corvette died after 1967, IMHO. The 63-67 'Vette is one of my all time favorite American muscle cars as well.
Tsk, tsk, tsk. 1969 427 3x2 Corvette was the baddest-*** apple of the bunch, IMO.

:)

Take care,
~Chris

Stang_Crazy 12-18-2002 02:49 PM

I'd like to see the Camaro make a return, but just for competition. I might not like Camaro's a whole lot but there is just something about pulling up next to a Camaro and running him/her. It's the age old battle...Camaro vs. Mustang. Plus they are alot more fun to race than some high school kid in his Civic ex.

bri32zz 07-23-2003 12:59 AM

I like any american made muscle car:D

OKC03Cobra 07-23-2003 07:46 PM

They are bringing back the camaro; they just arent calling it that. It will be called the SS and have 425hp. The GTO will have 340hp but will be butt-ugly.

ac97gt 07-24-2003 04:48 PM

so in other words this new "SS" (camaro) will tool even the '03 cobras?

OKC03Cobra 07-24-2003 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by ac97gt
so in other words this new "SS" (camaro) will tool even the '03 cobras?
Only stock for stock and the SS looks heavier than the Cobra. And dont forget the 06 Cobra will probably be lighter, better handling and more powerful than the SS. And if you put a KB on your 03 you can go hunting Vipers.

ac97gt 07-24-2003 11:38 PM

yeah i meant "stock" for "stock." of course any car can be modded to be faster than any other car.

The Fireman 07-25-2003 11:27 PM

Chevrolet SS
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1...ss.f34.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/1...ss.r34.500.jpg

THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT CAMARO?!?!?!?!?!?:eek:

I highly doubt it myself. It's got four doors for crying out loud. Not to mention it looks..............well................. far from good. I just don't see it happening.

Besides everything I've heard about this car says it's purely a concept, and not being considered for production.

ac97gt 07-26-2003 07:50 AM

i wont buy one, thats for sure. way too futuristic, reminds me of the '05 mustang. i dont see 4 doors on it btw, at least, theres only one door handle per side, maybe its the three door dealie.


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