you know what i hate?
 

seems like a lot of people take their time to sign up for this board only to post one time ...to fix their problem. this board doesnt get the traffic it deserves and when it does you get some guy that tore his motor apart and put it back together and cant get it to start ..well wah wah. anyways whatever im starting a revolution - nobody answer these people if they only have 1 post and thats their question.

i have spoken.

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I'd rather answer a question like that than the usual retards on here that ask about how to change their windshield wipers, what TPS voltage to set, or where the spout connector is located.

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yes well i meant that and those dumb questions included

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There used to be a standard response to those questions on some other boards. RTFM (Read The F....... Manual). I really don't like to discourage newbies too much that ask common questions though. Some of those will become experienced productive members if given the chance.

Rev

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haha i know i was probably one of them i just dont really remember ...i think i at least introduced myself first

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Well I know I was one of them as well, but I really miss the guys that were senior to me. I know many of them still visit, but most don’t post due to the same ole questions. I would like to see a way to get their input...on anything, Somehow.
Ryan

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I have been in the fox mustangs for about 8 years now, and i say if you want this to grow you have to help the new guy

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I agree. However, that gets real old when you constantly get the identical questions, week after week; rear end ratio questions, exhaust questions, etc. Many folks are too lazy to do a search so they just post on all the Mustang boards and look for the 'easy' answer, that is: one they don't have to even look up because someone else answered it FOR them. That is lame and helps neither the lazy poster - or the website.

I was the Moderator of the 'tech' board (now called 'Windsor Power') for a few years. Seeing (and patiently answering) the same simple questions over and over got to be a chore. I enjoyed imparting knowledge for awhile but began to resent the obvious lazyness of some brand-new members who wanted to know everything - without doing anything...not even a relatively quick 'search'. I'm not a certified mechanic but I know a few things about 5.0 Mustangs and I think I helped a lot of people over the years I posted regularly on 'tech'. A few folks even thanked me and stayed with the site to spread information and build it up....but not many. That was discouraging.

That issue, my boredom with the subject of 5.0 mods, some real unpleasant conflicts with other posters (mostly over politics) as well as a diminishing amount of free time combined to lead me to eventually curtail my 'tech' posts and then 'resign' my (voluntary, unpaid) position as Messageboard Administrator. I don't regret doing so. I still visit this site and occasionally post here on the Lounge forum but my days as an unpaid (and often unappreciated) 5.0 'technical advisor' are long gone. I hear the job may still be available to anyone who can do it - and actually wants it. Good luck. :)

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I started out by asking a question. Thats kinda the main advantage of an online message board, lots of people who whats going on with certain things. I know i've asked alot of questions, many of which were pretty stupid. (looking back anywho...) I've stuck around, i think its cool to hear whats going on with other peoples projects (The after paint pics are my favorite) Politics can be fun to talk about, I think i started one or two threads on it, though it can definately get out of hand.

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Mixing politics and tech advice was one of the problems, Jim. Also editorial privilages for the "message board administrator", allowing outright "rewriting" of posts was another thing that bothered some of us, (for clarity and brevity of course). Don't get me wrong here. You did a yeomans job of overseeing the message boards. No one has done it since. You did seem to try to "rule with an iron hand" though. I think that's why you didn't get more "thank you" 's. I for one would like to give you credit for a lot of hard work and for the years of effort that you put forth.

Rev

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I didn't, Rev. I only posted on 'politics' in the tech forum when somone else went off on some ridiculous political rant. I was there too, and I recall this happening. I did not initiate political debates on the tech forum. You must know that, Rev. I would sometimes scold others for going 'off-topic' into bashing George W. Bush (or whatever) on a thread about shifters or carbs.

The Blue Oval Lounge was specifically created by Dan McClain for non-Mustang discussion, obviously, including politics - and that is where most of my political arguments took place. A few folks (not you) got extremely nasty with me (classic 'keyboard tough guy' behavior) when they couldn't sustain their side of a debate. It got tiresome and as I was (then) the website's Messageboard Administrator, if I deleted or closed an especially nasty thread, I was instantly accused of 'abusing my position' - ironically, by the same people who had just called me a bunch of names on the same thread, thus abusing their posting privileges. I finally decided to chuck my website positions (moderator, administrator) and return to 'member' status. I also decided to spend a lot less time here. That hasn't changed in the last four years. although I do check into the Blue Oval Lounge almost daily.

I didn't really expect much thanks for my administrator work (Dan gave me lots) but my 'mechanical' advice when I was mod of the tech forum was clearly useful to many newer members (I only addressed the basics) and I did get some appreciation (again, mostly from Dan McClain) but I would never take such a position again. I've been asked, for other boards, but no thanks! Once was enough. I have my own set of 'standards' and they clearly are out of sync with most posters here and probably on other Mustang boards, as well. I've been on message boards (of all kinds) with 'loose' messageboard monitoring and they are usually a big mess; constant cursing, endless trading of vicious insults (not jokingingly, either) and lots of plain nonsense that benefits no one. They generally are like a high school class when the teacher is out of the room: chaotic. I see no point to them. I tried to make MustangWorks boards a cut above that. Dan approved - but it obviously was not what the bulk of the MW membership really wanted. So be it. It's no longer my problem. I just make an occasional post here.

I'm not looking for approval or thanks at this late date but it's rare enough, anyway, so I'll take it. Thanks, Rev. :)

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Whats all that writing above talking about?

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About Jim Sweeter's tenure as moderator of "Windsor Power" and his position as "Message Board Administrator". He did a service to Dan and MW, but not without some backlash.

Rev

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I think you're right, Jim. You probably were careful to post political arguments in the "Blue Oval" where they belonged. The postings in the "Windsor Power" were confined to Windsor V-8 topics for the most part. My problem was, most likely, that you wore several hats, and I just couldn't keep up with all of them from one forum to the other. My apologies for any misrepresentation. Thanks for your continuing interest in MW.

Note: Not trying to hijack thread, LOL.

Rev

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uh huh sure whatever consider this thread hijacked.
im jokin but look what i did start ^ ^ which is better than nothing (i have come to this site for the past few weeks and hit the 'new posts' button to come up with no results)

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I work as a Mod on a very large forum and I can relate to that... Perhaps the main difference is the mods on that forum are under another account, so unless posters have been around for a significant time, they don't know who is and who isn't a moderator.

As far as discussing politics on message boards, I think I'm pretty burnt out on discussing things with folks who don't really keep up with the situations and live by talking points handed out by PACs.

So, I've learned to stay out of partisan pissing matches... and stick to specific issues, especially as they relate to the economy... ie tax policy, energy policy, the future of social security, and regulatory policy.

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Ok, getting back to the thread.

I really hate it when people post long arse answers, with inserted, pasted other long arse answers about some other topic the thread isn't about, understand?

...and , arguing politics is like winning in the ........O nevermind.

*DISCLAIMER*

Not to be takin seriously.

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LOL

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...460/hijack.jpg

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"What people hate" can be almost anything, can't it? Putting in "quotes" so as to be clear on what one is referring to seems reasonable to me as well.

Rev

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Good idea.

If I had it to do over (and ran my own site), I would have all Moderators be 'invisible' as to their online identity and work under a generic name, such as 'Moderator'. I would also make a firm rule that mods could not post on the 'open discussion' forums. That might sound over-restrictive, but I found that trying to balance my moderator/administrator duties - which, inevitably, included closing threads that broke posting rules - and maintaining political positions (online) that were often 'controversial' (translation: some people didn't like my opinions or how I stated them - without apology) was very difficult. I was constantly accused of either 'abusing' my status or scolded by those who opposed my views by being told that "As a moderator", I should (or shouldn't) do this or that. That's why I gave up the positions (in frustration) and also became somewhat distant from the forums here. Burnout factor kicked in. I notice that the MW site survived my leaving the staff. :)

Now, I usually post elsewhere and still have occasional online political/cultural arguments but I no longer have to be concerned with being accused of 'abusing' any website 'management positions' (unpaid, at that) because I have to close a thread that has gone way over the line. I've also learned - the hard way - to avoid 'religious' arguments as they can quickly get nasty and of course, can never have a resolution as all 'religion' is based on faith of some sort.

The best argument is always stating the facts but even then, the facts will be challenged and political biases and long-held suspicions will still cloud some minds. Iin the final analysis, whether it's politics or religion, I've found (long ago) that people will believe what they want to believe, facts or no facts. So be it.

Re: you know what i hate?
 

This is an 'open' forum and the thread can be whatever the posters want it to be 'about'. If you wish to post on the incredibly important subject of things you supposedly 'hate', go ahead and do so, but stop complaining about what other people choose to post on this thread - or start your own messageboard that only has the subjects you want to discuss - and nothing else. You'll very likely get real lonely, real fast.

On any thread, the posts can often veer from one subject to another. Anyone using internet messageboards on a regular basis would understand that and not be surprised that a thread begun as what someone allegedly 'hates' morphs into a thread that is about something else, entirely. Happens all the time. No big deal.

FYI: the 'quote' feature is simply a handy site device that allows a reply to include the original statement for carity and to preclude the original poster from claiming he was 'misquoted' or didn't write what he wrote. 'Long arse answers' (as you so charmingly put it) are a good exercise for the Attention Deficit problems so many people suffer with today and they also help the reading-impaired strengthen their reading skills, as well as providing entertainment for many folks' otherwise dull and unrewarding lives. I consider mine to be, in effect, a public service of sorts. ;)

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Hey 5.0,

re-read the bottom of my post. The part that says *DISCLAIMER*

Now , after you read that. Who's the one complaining?

Go flame someone who really takes this post serious, lighten up.

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...LOL i really liked that plane picture ...and somehow i just jacked my own thread :confused:

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In keeping with this thread title.

You know what I hate, when people hijack their own thread.

I have become one of those I hate.

:)

O-heres one I love,

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1..._direction.jpg

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Or attatch gigantic graphics to their posts, LOL. Don't take me too seriously either, Frank.

Rev

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[insert thread title here]

This thread has gotten so far off topic now, we should ban ourselfs from this site.

That picture is a little huge, gimmie a minute I'll fix it.

*EDIT* Made smaller.

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i like it when threads like this are hi-jacked with some funny pics, helps lighten the mood. :D

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<=== Boring cylinder head question guy.

Heh heh...sorry. I know what you guys are talking about, though. I like to visit and learn new stuff, but I rarely post because work on my car has mostly stopped. I have a few things planned, but likely won't get around to the good stuff until next summer, thanks to college.

I'm relatively new, and even <i>I</i> find it a little lame when I see 3 new topics about overfilling transmissions, CAIs, or what mufflers to use (no offense). The "ask one question and vanish" thing is getting old, too.

I guess I'll leave it at that before I end up pissing people off.

Re: you know what i hate?
 

you know what you need to have planned for that car - 1 word, blower.

as well as the rest of you

get blown and be happy.

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It's worked out really well... As a Mod I've been criticized for being a communist and as a fringe right winger... and of course everyone loves to complain about "free speech".

LOL!!!

If you want free speech, go to the town square... if you want to discuss something with members of a message board that is owned by someone else, and reflects on the host site in any way... don't waste your time thinking that you have the right to type what you want and not think there will be consequences with non-conformity... The "Terms of Service Agreement" does mean something whether posters want to believe it or not. Oh, and I really love the conspiracy theorists who love to make it a FCC conspiracy...

As far as being anonymous, really I couldn't imagine it any other way. Especially not in a large forum.

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If you are called a 'communist' and a 'fringe right winger' (who are the non-'fringe' right-wingers, anyway?) you must be doing something right and being extremely non-partisan. That's no fun. Seriously, you would seem to have the moderator/poster dichotomy conquered and I applaud you for that. I wish I had been able to accomplish that feat, here, 'back in the day'. Ah, well, I also wish I could have a new, blown Mustang Cobra for free.

On the internet, we're all anonymous to a great degree. That's what brings out the base name-calling, 'internet tough guy' attitude instincts in some folks who, in 'real life', wouldn't even be able to look you in the eye, much less, call you names. Anonymity can breed faux 'bravery' for the otherwise timid and for those who already have an argumentative and/or belligerent nature, the 'net is just another vehicle to express their general animosity toward everything and everyone. Some do so then pretend they were 'just kidding'. I'm no longer fooled by that coy petense of jocularity that is too often used to put a fig leaf on what is really, hostility. I get it.

Free Speech is simply the well-known constitutional right to criticize the government, which we are all quite good at, I'm sure. Well, it's a constitutional right in the United States, anyway...don't try it in Iran, Cuba or many other places under the control of totaltarian 'governments'.

While we may very well all have a 'right' to our personal opinions, if we choose to post them for public display, as on an internet messageboard, such as this one, we should all expect that at least a few of the people reading our opinion may disagree with it...and 'say' so. That's always my assumption when posting almost anything. As the late New York Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan rightly said: "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. He is not entitled to his own facts".

Unfortunately, too many folks like to post their opinions but resent having them challenged. That's unrealistic. I'm a political conservative so I'm quite used to having my views challenged and debated, if not condemned by so-called 'liberals' who, I've come to find out, tend to be somwhat intolerant of politically conservative opinions. I think that is rather informative for readers of messageboards who can read the posts for themselves and decide whether my arguments hold up or not and if my would-be 'opponent' has to resort to name-calling and wild accusations when he or she runs out of facts. It also strengthens my writing and debating skills, which is a nice bonus.

One thing I quickly learned: Avoid using absolutes; 'never', 'always' or, that old favorite: 'everyone knows'. As few things in life truly are absolute, someone will inevitably come back and question whether something is 'always' or 'never' this-or-that. Then they use the lawyers game of claiming that if you got that supposition wrong, WHAT ELSE are you wrong about, hmmmmm? So it goes. Semantics are a big part of internet debating.

As a (former) moderator/administrator, I was eventually called 'every name in the book' because I was well-known on the site and had strong political views that I didn't flinch from expressing, no matter the negative blowback I might receive. The site owner was in basic agreement with my views (although not on every single issue, I'm sure) and informed me that it was O.K for me to express them on his site.

However, after many rancorous long-running arguments I tired of seemingly always being on the defensive and carrying the water for 'my' side of any given issue. I would receive some supportive PM's, which I valued, but not a lot of online support, where it would have actually done some good. As I said, my position (as a moderator) was often used against me. I was repeatedly told that 'as a mod' I shouldn't be taking stands on inflammatory issues...as if these folks ran the website. Eventually, I decide to forego the honor of being on the website 'staff' and go back to being an ordinary member so that I could discuss and debate whatever I wanted to, without the baggage of being constantly accused of 'abusing my authority' by those who, in reality, couldn't hold up their end of a vigorous political/cultural debate. Now, here I am, four years later, a bit older and definitely a bit wiser about the vagaries, pitfalls and frustrations of internet messageboard moderating and debating. I still debate political issues on the internet when I have the time, which is less and less, these days, but hardly ever on this particular site or board. Strangly, the world seems to go on just the same. Imagine that! ;)

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mr 5.0 must be a writer for a paper out there or something along those lines ...or must be the character out of V for Vendetta

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Fatoeknee, Maybe you should start a new thread with no topic. It would be alot harder to hijack, I think. Hijack proof? :D

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"You know what I hate" is already a pretty good "catch all" title. Just look at the variety of comments it has drawn.

Rev

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I feel that I'm a pragmatic conservative... Certainly more refined, I think to my credit, than I was when I first got online in 2000.

I do a lot of political Op-eds for the local paper (though I've calmed that down in the past year or so)... and was even printed in Investor's Business Daily a couple years ago, which was pretty cool.

I think your views on "internet debate" are spot on... As a participant in those debates though, I think I did pretty well with anyone willing to go outside of the talking points. I think I mesh my background as a welder in a union shop as well as my self educated economics and financial markets background well, and can connect the dots that most folks can't fathom.

The key is to relate with those who are willing to relate, cut out the jargon/use layman terms, and effectively use analogies to explain your positions... and most important, anything you say can and will be held against you in the future... be consistent.

On our forum, the moderators have a lot of latitude to weed out anything that could be damaging to the forum or reflect poorly on the organization. So we try to keep political threads clean, maintaining direction, and free from personal attacks.

It doesn't take a liberal to see when a conservative is taking a cheap shot outside of the terms of service... personal attacks are dealt with regardless of ideological affiliation. Since the mods are anonymous (posters often know each other or have get togethers, so they're not as anonymous as most boards are where there is no physical interaction...), the posters rarely know anything about the moderator who is monitoring the forum. So those on the right complain... and those on the left complain... and you as a moderator act as a disinterested 3rd party.

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http://forums.mustangworks.com/showthread.php?t=48879


It is Done.

Re: you know what i hate?
 

you know what i hate? threads that become so complicated that we have multiple conversations going on at once ...i know rev, frank, and i have something going on. mr 5.0 and philly fan have their own stories, and whatever else

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You get annoyed too easily, my friend. Internet messageboard threads very often veer off into separate issues far removed from the original topic and sometimes, after awhile, dwindle down to just two people debating. Been there, done that. No one can realistically control what direction any thread will take.

You have to realize that many people are reading the thread, different thoughts are being posted and, over time, some folks may have their own ideas that they want to express - and they may have little relation to the original thread topic. It's part of what makes messageboards interesting. They tend to be very free-form.

I'm sorry if you feel slighted in some way because 'your' thread went in a direction you may not be interested in, but pouting about it won't change the reality. Besides, I see you have a new thread , now. I hope that one gives you the responses you want - but I doubt it will. Whether you (or I) like it or not, the internet and it's millions of users are doggedly eclectic in their range of interests and this thread is proof of that.

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Thanks for the compliment but I'm only an amateur writer at this point.

I didn't see that movie so I have no idea whether that's a compliment or an insult. I'll just assume it's the latter - and let it go at that. :)

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At least no one has called anybody any names. Even with the divergent responses, I think the members have been pretty well behaved here. I certainly can't see any abuse of anyone's ability to post. Expressing one's opinions on a thread titled "You know what I hate" seems perfectly acceptable to me.

Rev

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i was just joking i dont care if my thread veers off track ...it started off stupid anyways - and yes i can quote myself.

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I kan't say Ive read all the posts here. I tend to read about 4 lines and stop. Or pic through reading [a] word from each graph.

I do try to make it easy to spot my sarcasm. Its bound to end up misinterpruted by someone for what ever reason. The world would suc if we all thought the same.

My work day consists of murderers, rapist, child molesters, thiefs, and other fine jewels.

I could really care less if a thread is jacked or not. But mearly pointing it out is entertainment to me. Because thats what the internet is, entertainment to me.

If my sense of humor is sub par to anyone, please ignore me.

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You should see V For Vendetta, Mr. 5.0. It's a pretty interesting little movie. I'm sure a lot of the people here must have thought so too, seeing as how it has a lot to do with politics, government, and corruption. There are a few parts that are kinda funny, but I should stop before I spoil everything.

As for the blower, I dunno. I think that'd look rather strange on my car. I'm so used to my Mustang looking plain jane, and too many people try to race me already. Doesn't anyone understand that it's not a hot rod?

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yeah v for vendetta is a good movie ...my most recent favorite

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and to think in the begining someone was worried about posting dumb questions

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^I think you may have missed the point.

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I'll rent it when it comes out on DVD. How's that?

With movies prices getting so ridiculous, ($9.00 - or the equivalent of a bit more than 3 gallons of gas or a decent lunch) I only patronize a movie theater occasionally, these days. Let's even talk about the theater prices on popcorn and soda. ;)

I have to tell you that the 'one-man-against-the-totaltarian-government' theme is an old one that I've seen many times before. Like many, I've read (and studied) '1984' which I believe is a masterpiece of this genre. 'Batman' and many other recent films based on supposed 'superheros' are all part of the genre, too. Although I realize that 'V' is not an anime or cartoon - it is based on a 'graphic novel', which is really just a step 'above' a comic book. Also, watching the seemingly invincible protagonist using terrorist tactics for his 'cause' (something the Islamofascists are doing, today...for their 'cause'...which they also - mistakenly - believe is 'righteous') in a rigid plastic mask (of Guy Fawkes) and seeing cute Natalie Portman in a buzz cut for 2 hours isn't all that tempting as 'entertainment. Still, 'V' does sound worth a look - and I'll give it one, soon.

I guess Fat0eknee's comparison of myself and the 'hero' of "V' was a compliment, after all. I'm surprised - but gratified. :)


UPDATE (9/02/06): I just rented 'V' and will watch it tonight. I'll post my 'review' on this thread sometime next week. Thanks for the recommendation.

Movie review
 

'V' for Vendatta

Not bad but not really groundbreaking, either. It moved a bit slow and, like all these 'one man against the (totalitarian) state' films, the protagonist ('the self-named 'V' of the title) seemed a tad too invincible. A whole nation of police and military lackeys could't find him and or beat him when they found him? O.K., it's a movie. I get it. Suspension of disbelief and all that. Very well. Literate dialogue and some pretty fine acting by Hugo Weaving, Natalie Portman and a host of British actors in lesser roles made the film worthwhile renting although, had I spent $8. or $9. in a theatre to see it, I would not have been pleased. Natalie Portman, even with a shaved head, manages to come off as cute and vulnerable but never as a bimbo or a prop for a guy. Good for her. I thought the big scene at the end (which I won't describe here) was almost anticlimatic and took too long to accomplish.

I didn't care for veiled references to the 'government' (presumably, considering the current state of things, the British Blair and American Bush administrations) as 'manufacturing 'enemies' and faking 'threats to national security' when any rational person here or in England should realize by now that Islamofascist terrorism is quite real and hardly 'manufactured'. 9/11 happened. It was not an government 'plot'. Islamofascist nuts such as Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have made public vows - many times - to 'destroy' the U.S. and 'western culture'. They are very serious and have the money (from oil sales) and, more importantly, the will to do so, and are trying all the time, as the recent British arrests of terrorist wannabe's demonstrate. Yet, few British or American citizens have had any of their freedoms curtailed. So much for the 'totaltarianism' aspects of either the current U.S. or British government.

'V' is set only less than a few decades from now (2020) and anything is possible in the unknowable future, but the Nazi-ish British government (presumable elected) the film portrayed (in a very recognizable London - not 'sci-fi looking' at all) seemed to be pushing 'security for freedom', which is a favorite canard against actually fighting terrorism, domestic or foreign, of the anti-war left, making me a bit skeptical of what the writers/producer were trying to say. Terrorism is O.K. if you don't like your government? Government lies to you and every announced threat is just a government scam to take away your freedom? Who believes that nonsense beside the hard-left loons that populate some 'liberal' political websites? Still, the 'political' aspect of 'V' seems to have captured some people's imagination. That's not so bad, I guess, but I'm just not one of them.

The hero of 'V' seemed to be awfully good as using terrorism tactics, which bothered me. Yes, I know, his cause was pure and just, yada, yada, yada but the idea that you can blow up large buildings and only kill the 'bad guys' inside is ridiculous and 'V's ability to change much by taking on the police-state thugs a few at a time, in alleyways, always in the night, is also one of those script ideas that play well on film, as 'V' decapitates and kills numerous bad guys with his quick moves, swords and knives, a la Jackie Chan, but I found that tactic hard to take seriously as a realistic way to overthrow a well-armed rogue government. But that's just me.

Maybe I'm too analytical but I didn't see much in 'V for Vendatta' that I haven't seen before in some other movie...only the actors and the just-slightly-in-the-future London setting change. Sometimes the villians are murderers/drug dealers or 'the mob' and the heros are cops (one older, one young and either a hunky guy or pretty woman) or a 'freelance private detective' but it's always good against evil, the basic plot of most adventure stories and 'action' films. That's fine and as 'V' is a high class production, so, if you haven't seen many examples of this film genre before, you may be impressed, as there is something for almost everyone within the plot - and it's farily well executed.

As I stated earlier, 'V' is a decent rental but nothing terribly new, except that a lot of folks will be learning something about 17th century British history - and Guy Fawkes. That's not a bad thing. Natalie Portman has finally put her phoned-in 'performance' in Star Wars' out of most people's minds. Hopefully, for good. She can act. Props to Natalie Portman, too, for going almost hairless for a movie role. That takes guts for an attractive actress in her mid-20's (actually, Natalie is 25). Not too much vanity there, which is rare in Hollywood, where your appearance is often your ticket to fame

My favorite line: When 'Evey' (Natalie Portman) asks 'V' (Hugo Weaving) who he is and 'V' replies: "Isn't that a rather foolish question to ask a man wearing a mask?" It was, and I like droll humor. BTW: 'Evey' replied: "I guess so". Perfect!


I give 'V' 2½ 'Mr. 5.0 stars'. Worth a rental.

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2.5 ..rather harsh ...what would get a 4 or 5 on your scale then?

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Not 'harsh', just middling. A 1 would be 'harsh' and would mean 'stinker'. 'V' was nowhere near being a stinker.

For really groundbreaking modern film, I would give '2001' and 'A Clockwork Orange' 4 stars. I would also give 'Five Easy Pieces' (1971) a '4'. Alfred Hitchcock's 'Vertigo' (1957) and 'Psycho' (1960) are a four in my 'book'. So is 'The Graduate', (1967) and 'The Godfather' series. Every decade has it's winners. I like catching the silent films Sunday at midnight on TCM. However, in any era, few flims rate a '5'.

Remember, all film reviews, no matter who writes them, are ultimately subjective - that is, one person's opinion. You take them as a guide, not the final word. Even mine.