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03 Cobra Incident...
Well, its official...
The SVT Mustang tech thread has made Modular Madness the most infamous Mustang Forum on the internet. I saw that post yesterday and I guess I just didn't realize just how WRONG what this guy did was.... I actually just skimmed over the post... yadda, yadda, joyride, yadda yadda, 03 Cobra.... and my response was : "Glad you had fun!"... What the hell was I thinking?! I totally missed that he had the damn thing to 140, and how the hell did I miss the realisation that he posted the damn LICENSE PLATE! And that this could get pretty ugly.... and guess what... it did.... Later on in the thread I did post that maybe it wasn't such a good idea to do something like that, but it doesn't excuse my first response to the post or my inaction to it.... ---------------------- Quote:
Now MW is back up with a slow message board.... Dan is going through hell, and I just might be out of a moderator position. I certainly failed in this little fiasco.... I personally feel like crap.... :( I'll ask Dan to see if he wants me to keep the post or delete it, something this hot, I'm not going to decide this one on my own.... Poor Todd, If you are still with us, while I certainly can't speak for the entire staff, let me personally apologise for how this was handled, or rather, not handled correctly. I also apologise for my early statements in the thread, as I certainly wouldn't want anyone "manhandling" my car but me.... I certainly understand your disgust and frustration. What stangman did was wrong any way you slice it, and I'm sure none of our members or staff condone it (including myself). This is a very good community we have here, and I hope this incident doesn't change anything in that respect... As far as folks who clicked on this thread to jump in on this incident, let me state that we are VERY friendly folks here who get along great. In fact, I can't ever remember a flame war before this one.... If your new, I REALLY hope you stay and contribute to the group. I think you'll find that we have a very wide knowledge base and helpful people. You won't ever see that change while I'm still moderator. For all you new folks, I hope you stay. I think you'll find that the "most infamous" forum on the net is a pretty nice place to be. Adam "Hammer" Packett |
I don't think anybody has really accused the Mustangworks of harboring some concentration of jerks cheering stangman96 on.
What he did was seriously stupid, even if it wasn't on public roads, and most of us who take more than a couple seconds to think about it agree. Just about every Mustang enthusiast gets excited thinking about having a chance to run an 03 Cobra up, but it doesn't mean we'd do the same thing stangman did. All things considered, I hardly think this has been some sort of fiasco, and at the very least, an outpouring of support from people across all interests in the automotive world have come here to lend support to the owner, and to let everybody know we feel the same way about our cars. Don't mess with our cars! We work hard to buy, build, and maintain them. I'm actually quite pleased with the number of responses from people taking the time to drop in from other sites like sportbikes, honda sites, vw sites, bmw sites, and the rest. Dan's got an extra server hooked up running dual processors to deal with the traffic. If he didn't believe it was worthwhile, he could have just had the thread completely deleted or forbidden remote access linking. Everybody misses things from time to time when you're in a hurry. I can imagine you can empathize with the owner as well as anybody, considering you have a supercharged 450hp Mustang GT that means the world to you. Having somebody thrash your ride would have you freaking out so I can't see you agreeing with the 03 Cobra getting that treatment, either. Check ya later. Kell |
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I think the thread proved very useful. I'm glad the owners got to see this thread. I wish I could have proof like this when someone did this to a vehicle I owned. I can't understand how someone could abuse another's property, I'm just glad that someone is finally answering for thier actions. I hope this makes the dealerships/mechanics think alittle more when handling a customers vehicle.
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Glad to see the forum back up...
Hammer, I was curious to see how you would respond to the attention that this post has received. And your initial replies to the thread. I have to admit, the way several members on this board responded was shocking. Another board that I belong to, stlmustangs.com, noted that other members on this site found the tech's encounter exciting, and acceptable. Makes ALL mw members looks bad. To those of you who are being referred to, you know who you are, and you've been insulted enough. Thanks for the seperate thread, hope to get back to business as usual after everyone gets to say their piece... |
Just an idiot, that guy. :mad: :mad:
I agree with you Unit, took the words out of my mouth. I can't imagine the $$$ for bandwidth Dan will have to pay this month!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: |
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hammer i back you, i didnt get to read the thread, but it sound's like this guy was truley - uh, stupid, your a good mod, so i hope that doesnt change, good luck to you bud. :)
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I'm glad this site is back up. I have to thank Chris for his site at RHC for keeping me sane. If I don't post somewhere once a day, I start to lose it. I feel bad for Dan and trying to keep the site up. I bet it fried some things in his server. I also bet he's now looking for a new hard drive to save all this mess.
What he did was wrong and he should have gotten permision to drive it like that first. The most it should ever have seen was 100mph. Although it can get to that in about 11 sec, but still, no right to do what he did. I understand the urge to drive it, but not like that. His little voice in his head didn't say to stop when it should have. I can bet that he will never find another mechanics job for a very long time now. IF a mech ever needed to go or do something like that. I'd want to be in it, or al least have him ask. Thats my .02 |
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Once I really realised what stangman had done (and to the extent he did it), I visualised him behind the wheel of my yellow beastie, and it put shivers down my spine. Hence my comment of considering the "other side of things" (the owner), before doing something as crazy as that. As far as making MW members look bad, your right. This is NOT the image that I've strived to give this board, and to be honest, we were well on our way to becoming THE place to confer when looking for modular info. For no BS information and friendly people. I just hope we can get back on track soon..... |
Adam,
I reread my first reply to the thread and while I scolded him for beating on the car, I threw in the 'glad you had fun' tag at the end. I had forgotten I said that, and I'm torn about it. If I do something stupid to lose my job tomorrow, I hope I at least get some satisfaction out of it. Not that I will, or want to. I haven't been to that thead since the board got back up, but I assume the plate number has been removed. I hope Tracy (the owner) and Dan (our Dan) don't hold it against you that the plate was left up. Turns out to actually be useful in proving whose car it acutally was, and holding the tech and dealer responsible. Additionally, the early arguing between two of the members kept the thread up at the top, where it was easily found by people who knew the car. So while that kind of thing is annoying, maybe it helped this time in some weird way? ----- As for what happened in general, the MW is now known across the net. Next time one of ours accepts a prize at Corrall day wearing the shirt, people will know who we are.:D I hope things will get back to normal soon. Personally, I like it a little quiet around here. |
As for what happened in general, the MW is now known across the net. Next time one of ours accepts a prize at Corrall day wearing the shirt, people will know who we are.:D
I hope things will get back to normal soon. Personally, I like it a little quiet around here. [/B][/QUOTE] Me too, but I'm sure Dan likes the extra ppl. Means extra money:D |
Well I couldn't finish reading everything. What a HUGE amount of information on the subject! WOW!
I know Hammer completely disaproves of this guys actions. I would like to say that if ANYONE jumped into Hammer's Yellow Jacket and treated it that way, my friend Adam would be in prison, because he'd kill the guy. That being said it can be hard at first to see where threads are going right away. I think Hammer does a great job on this forum and is a true "defender of the 4.6" modular motor. Good job Duece and Tireburner for giving that guy sh*t from the start, you did a good job, and spoke for most of us while I couldn't get into the dam site :mad: |
When I read the original post i thought OK this guy is FOS and is just wanting to brag about his " fake " experience behind the wheel of the baddest car going. There are alot of threads that are fake when it comes to issues like this. Unfortuneatly this one seems to have been true. That guy should be in jail!
Hammer, you are still " THE MAN" |
Hammer,
I don't think anyone holds anything against you or your board. Alot of the members were against what this guy did with only a couple jackasses saying what he did was ok and that they would have done the same. I know Racerat and Todd and those cars are kept in top shape. That car is their pride and joy. I was sickened when I read that post and I can only imagine how Racerat and Todd felt. The tech got what he deserved. Kudo's to you guys for keeping the post up for all to see, it's amazing the responce it has gotten from forums and enthusiasts from around the world. Very cool indeed. Rich BTW...98's ARE slowwwww!!!!!!:D 450...not bad...Your getting there!!;) |
Hammer, I back you all the way....
Dan , if you are reading this then I say let Hammer keep his position..... and I think that the rest of the Mod guys feel the same way.. Hammer has always shown himself to be just and fair when it comes to moderating. He's human just like the rest of us, and will make mistakes from time to time. I think that the plate number helped lead the owners to verify which car was being talked about and gave them hard proof... I for one am ashamed of what he (ford tech) did, and it makes us all look bad because of it.. I think his accout should be suspended until he decides to publicly appologize.... unless he's been thrown in jaill... Anyways,,,, I'm with you on this..... |
Hammer: I have to admit, I was shocked by your initial replies. Maybe it just didn't sink in at first? Regardless, you put this thread up and that shows alot about you. I applaud you for that.
Hey, you wouldn't mind if I took Yellowjacket up to 140 mph would you? I mean, I've just got to make sure the blower's working ok... ;) E |
Hammer - you, nor I, nor anyone in this world is perfect. In fact, most everyone is far from it.
All you did was read the post, made a quick reply, and then think nothing of it. I know for a fact nobody thought that post would reach the as far into the depths of the automaotive world that it did. No one could have knew it would be getting 1000+ hits every 10 minutes. OK, so you didn't originally read the post with as much careful examination as some would have like, nor did you put much thought into your initial response. Thats totally fine!!! Its a post on a car forum, not a Bill for the Senate!!! I for one am tired of everyone acting like they are so damn Politically Correct and they never say anything that might offend some else. Enough of this goody goody sh1t. Everyone has opinions that others won't agree with and most people are just to big of pussies to say so. You made a remark, then re-examined your remark, and made changes to they way you initially responded. Thats perfectly human and if you get punished for that, then this site is nothing but BS. If you lose your job as moderator I feel all of MW members will be losing out. I have been a member of this site for 3 years now and I have nothing but positive comments to say about it. But if Dan thinks that it was such a big "mistake" that you should no longer moderate, then this site will be just like all the others. |
I hate to tell you "I told you so..." but I did PM you (Hammer) very early in this thread to warn you of what this was becomming...
I am a moderator at another very popular NON-automotive board and another mod there mentioned this thread being linked to at another automotive (non-ford) board... the crap hit the fan and now any of us are lucky we can post or even view this board. This post probably won't even get through because of this... I like you Hammer and I like Mustang Works because we don't have the children flame fests here. This thread needed to be locked up early... and it amazes me that it is still not locked up... This board will suffer until it is... Welcome to the internet... Keep up the good work... P.S. Deleting the thread completely would probably solve your bandwidth problems and things could get back to normal... |
P.S.S. Hammer is the best and should not be held responsible for this...
If he goes... I go... Leave Hammer alone and let him learn from the trials of the internet... Mustang Works is a good board and needs more people like Hammer... And I love Yellowjacket... :D |
I almost hated to post, but it struck such a nerve with me, because I am a new car dealership service consultant, a hard core Stanger AND the owner of a new Mustang who has visions of abuse. Emotions run high sometimes, but I didn't find Hammer's remarks particularly disturbing. Hopefully the good part of all this for me is, I've found a new place to hang out online.
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Hammer
Hammer, listen you don't need the approval of 70 Million people to feel good about yourself or anything you do. I understand that in hein sight (sp) You feel that a better decision could have been made on your part because you are a moderator and a good hearted person that wants to please. But do you think that if you would have deleted it a better service to others would have been done? I DON'T THINK SO and nither do you!!! Also "" I KNOW "" that when you take on a task no matter how large, odd, meaningless, relentless , or otherwise described you follow it to the end or do it till it's the best you know how even then you question yourself no matter what anyone tells you .! I only point this out to you because you know it to be true. So this is that first breath you take when a task is at hand , The only difference is the task is you. Tell yourself what you need others to, " Everything is fine and the world is not going to tip over because of what others think of my actions!!! ****'em if they wanted it a different way then they should have done it themselves"." Thats why you were appointed to oversee the forum , You are the person for the job without a doubt and you do it well! Remember you earned your position on the site(MW) for several reasons and you'll keep it . The other thing you tend to forget to tell yourself is , " I am aware that I take everything I do as a reflection of myself and given a position to make a difference failure is not an option ,it is a fear, although with this task comes an element in that I have no control it must be accepted and delt with for my own well being." As for the way most (99.98%) of us feel regarding your judgement,advice, and simply who you are, we would go into battle with you armed with a single toothpic and a pair on nail clippers . Just tell us when and where! Now that's respect so bank on it! This time as I am posative meny before you helped someone you didn't know without even knowing it ! Now how cool is that?! BTW... I bet Steve Saleen will hand deliver the new Cobra , or maby even Rousch what do you think? |
Holy ****!.... lot of responses...
I don't think the thread hurt MW's reputation at all... "Hammer" a topic like that is hard to control anyhow...very touchy. |
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Why would you lock a thread that has such a huge following and a huge interest to everyone from around the world? This thread was treated correctly by keeping it open so that people can see if your dumb enough to abuse someone elses property, then post it on a board so that your bud's can pat you on the back about it, your gonna catch hell. The guy lost his job and he should have. Would you have wanted to read about your car on this thread? If it was your car would you have wanted the thread deleted and swept under the rug so noone knew that your car was abused and you were laughed at? Not a flame Gary, but you don't sound like much of a moderator to me. Your constant asking for this to be closed and deleted amazes me and others. If you bury your head in the sand the problem will go away?? Hammer might have erred in his original post, but he was man enuff to post a thread to explain his actions and apolagize. Very Cool and very top notch on his part. I'm not a regular on this board, in fact I never knew it existed until this post about my friends car, but I might stick around to see what I can learn. It seems like a good board with good peeps for the most part. Rich |
Hammer :)
I just wanna say that I can see how it was overlooked in the beginning, and I think Hammer handled it very well after he realized where it was going! Hes still THE MAN and has my respect and support, and Is a vital element to MW! ;)
I dont think that Dan would even think twice about letting him go! I doubt that that thought has EVEN entered his mind! I dont think the thread should be closed either. IMO. ONE THING has been really bugging me!!!!!!!!!!! WHY THE CONSTANT REMARKS about this putting $$$ in Dan's pocket???????? :mad: He did not ask for this to happen, and has busted his AS$ to keep the board going!!???? Ive seen that comment made at LEAST 3 times! That is not the issue, and I still think the dealer ship should pay the bill for the bandwidth this month! Even if it was meant jokingly, enough is enough w/ that one!.... :) Dan and Hammer: As I said b4, ya'll handled this whole fiasco VERY WELL and I commend ya'll for it and for your professionalism in it! If I was near ya'll, I'd buy you BOTH a few rounds!!!!!!! :cool: Take care, Christine TNT :) |
i agree with topless on this topic hammer, it was handled and mustangworks hasn't come off looking bad. so i too back you dude.
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Dan has poured 10s of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours into keeping this site up and running over the years, and I agree with you on the Dan making money deal, Topless. Most website admins/owners know advertisements usually don't pay much for just views, but do pay decent for people who click on them to go to the advertisers site. |
Wow, I just got around to seeing all this. Now I know why I couldn't get on the board all week.
Dan - Once again, a big thanks goes out to you for getting the site up and running again. I know you have heard it before, but the members here at MW really do appreciate all you do. Hammer - I think you are being a little hard on yourself. Overall the thread was handled well, so don't sweat it :)! |
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Dan, what kind of cookies do you like? |
Ylw99vert.... the only reason I said that the thread should be deleted was because of the huge number of hits it was getting. Over 200,000 views I'm sure costed the owners of this site a bit of money... And it didn't just affect this site but every site that "sourced" an image or banner within that thread tooks hits also. My personal site is shut down till the beginning of next month because of my banner being in that thread and it exceeded my personal website limits. It's not my website I was concerned about because all I had to do was take my banner out of my profile and my site will come back up on Tuesday Oct. 1st. I moderate another board and when we can that kind of usage it costs us money... That's all...
I totally agreed that the guy (who drove the Cobra) did wrong and am glad he lost his job... |
Hammers position here was never in question. The reason he made this post in the first place was that he felt really bad for only skimming over the post when he made his initial comments and not fully grasping what this guy was bragging about. That was obvious when he later made a follow up post with several negative comments about what this guy had done.
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I am really glad it didn't get deleted. Alot of support has been shown from all kinds of enthusiast the world over. It might cause a small disruption for a short time, but in the end, it will all be cool again and alot of new peeps have found the board. Me included! :) Rich |
Hammer
In the past you have done alot to help people with Mustang questions. I hope that for this incident that we do not lose you. I respect what you have to say and take it into consideration. I hope things get better. -Godbee |
Hammer's an old salt.
He can weather this lil' storm. :) |
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Old Salt?!? |
apparently same **** happens at parking garages...same story guy leaves his car...but here the moron actually damaged the car...and then he actually insulted the owner...too bad the owner is actually a mod on that forum...show support
:D http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread...threadid=46897 |
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