2001 1/2 and 2002 Stang Tranny

gilmoujr · 07-31-2002, 05:18 PM

The Tremec TR-3650 is a slight different from the T-5 so I did some digging. I am not sure which one applies but here they are.
Copy it into your favorite text editor (like Notepad) and turn off word wrap. It will align for you.[SIZE=1][COLOR=blue]
        &n bsp;       &nbs p;          Center 
        &n bsp;       &nbs p;           Dist.  Weight  &nb sp; Torque Cap. GVW/GCW     Gear Ratio&n bsp;Chart      &nbsp ;        & nbsp;       &nb sp;
        Pa rt Number          mm.   lbs./kg.  lbs.ft./Nm  lbs./kg.       1st&n bsp;   2nd   3rd&nbs p;   4th   5th      6th   &nbsp ;Rev
TR-3650 TR-3650 TCET1265    85     120/54.4  360/488     3,260/1,479    3.77  &nbsp ; 2    1.31  &n bsp; 1    0.67 &nbsp ;  N/A    3.38
TR-3650 TR-3650-1        & nbsp;  85    120/54.4  360/488     3,260/1,479    3.38  &nbsp ; 2    1.32  &n bsp; 1    0.67 &nbsp ;  N/A    3.38
TR-3650 TR-3650-2 TCET1858  85   &nb sp;120/54.4  360/488     3,260/1,479    3.38  &nbsp ; 2    1.32  &n bsp; 1    0.67 &nbsp ;  N/A    3.38
TR-3650 TR-3650-3 TCET1789  85   &nb sp;120/54.4  360/488     3,260/1,479    3.38  &nbsp ; 2    1.32  &n bsp; 1    0.61 &nbsp ;  N/A    3.38
TR-3650 TR-3650-4 TCET1903  85   &nb sp;120/54.4  360/488     3,260/1,479    3.38  &nbsp ; 2    1.32  &n bsp; 1    0.67 &nbsp ;  N/A    3.38
T-5     1352-000-249       &nbsp ;77    75/34.2   300/407     5,500/2,495    2.95  &nbsp ; 1.94 1.34    1&nbs p;   0.63    N/A    2.76

More to follow on Tire Size Calculations and Analyzer for Tremec 3650...

Hammer · 07-31-2002, 05:24 PM

Actually, I think the use of the T-45 started in the 96 model run. I'm pretty sure that the T-5s went away with the push-rod motor...

The 3650 came around sometime after 99, not sure when...

o2superstang · 07-31-2002, 06:35 PM

How much stronger is the tremec that comes in a 2000 1/2 and later mustang the the T-45.

gilmoujr · 07-31-2002, 06:38 PM

According to the chart I found, the 3650 can handle 360 ft-lbs of torque while the T-5 can handle 300 ft-lbs. I will do some checking on the T45 and report back...

gilmoujr · 07-31-2002, 06:42 PM

Looks like the T45 can handle 325 ft-lbs.
I got the info from

http://www.ttcautomotive.com/products/tremec.asp

Part Number
Center Dist. mm.
Weight lbs./kg.
Torque Cap. lbs.ft./Nm
GVW/GCW lbs./kg.
Gear Ratio 1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
6th
Rev

1381-000-001
81.5
109/49.4
325/441
3,260/1,479
3.37
1.99
1.33
1.00
0.67
N/A
3.22

1381-000-002
81.5
109/49.4
325/441
3,260/1,479
3.37
1.99
1.33
1.00
0.67
N/A
3.22

1381-000-0011
81.5
109/49.4
325/441
3,260/1,479
3.37
1.99
1.33
1.00
0.67
N/A
3.22

TNET1386
81.5
109/49.4
325/441
3,260/1,479
3.37
1.99
1.33
1.00
0.67
N/A
3.22

LI STANG · 08-01-2002, 08:20 AM

I think they threw tremecs in starting in 99.
looked under mine and it has tremec stamped on it.

-----------------------
99 GT
bassani x , magnaflows.

Lizard King · 08-01-2002, 10:43 AM

No, Tremec only started in the second half of 01... build date of March 01 would get you a Tremec.

Proof is in the pudding. I used to have a 2000GT. Bought a B&M shifter kit for it. The shifter can not be used in my 2002GT because it is not the same tranny.

Now with that said with about 10000 miles my 3 gear syncro went on my 2002, so I just got a new Tremec tranny in my car. It seems they are bullit proof but not Lizard proof.

o2superstang · 08-01-2002, 01:50 PM

Well, with this said my 00 GT built in June of 2000 has "TREMEC" stamped all over the tranny. Beside the shifter and the bottom. But since Ford didn't put them in a Mustang until 2002, we must not know how to read, right???

Lizard King · 08-01-2002, 01:57 PM

The only thing I can see is they had shortage of trannies and sent a couple of SVT trannies to build your car. Dead serious, second half of 2001 production only got Tremec.

Does your tranny "whine" in first gear - a bit like if you had it in reverse?

Seb

greengoblin · 08-01-2002, 02:15 PM

ok I'm lost.

what tranny is in what year?

99-?
00?
01?
02?

Hammer · 08-01-2002, 02:26 PM

T-45 for 96-98

3650 sometime after...

It's RESEARCH time folks!

Lizard King · 08-01-2002, 03:43 PM

99 = T-5
00 = T-5
01 to 01.5 = T-5
01.5 to now = Tremec

Hammer · 08-01-2002, 03:54 PM

I don't think the modular mustangs ever used the T-5...

All of the sources I've seen have it going straight from T-45 to 3650.

Although in later years, the T-45 was Borg-Warner designed but Tremec-sourced.... Maybe because the original T-45's didn't hold up very often.

Lizard King · 08-01-2002, 04:05 PM

I'll be completely honest with you.

T-5 or T-45 I don't even know the difference. I know they went to a Tremec in 2001.5 (MARCH).

The Tremec feels a bit smother and tighter when new, and "whines" in first gear.

gilmoujr · 08-01-2002, 08:45 PM

I have a Steeda Tri-Ax for my tranny - 02 GT

According to Steeda, the tranny is 3650 after Mid 01. Before that, I could not tell you. I thought it was a T-5 but I could be wrong. I can make a phone call to Steeda to see if they know for SURE.

Unit 5302 · 08-01-2002, 09:37 PM

Oh good grief,

Tremec purchased the rights to the Borg Warner T-5 and T-56 several years ago, which is why the T-5, T-56, and 3650 would all have "Tremec" on them. The T-5 was used in Mustangs from 1983-1995. The T-45 started to be used in 1996, and the Cobra's got the 3650 starting in 1999. The 3650 wasn't offered in the GT until mid 2001 when the upgraded Cobra tranny became standard issue for the GT as well. The T-45 ran in the Cobra from 1996-1998, and the GT from 1996-2001.

Regardless of what the ratings are, I'd take a T-5 over a T-45 any day.

No T-5 was ever installed into a mod engined Mustang from the factory.

o2superstang · 08-01-2002, 10:00 PM

Mr. Lizard, if you goto Tremec's web site it seems they make the T-45 and a number of other transmissions. The transmissions pre 2002 could be or are "Tremec" made transmission just maybe not the 3650 that you are referring to.

I will crawl under mine and try to get some sort of #'s off of it to see which "Tremec" model it is.

Hammer · 08-01-2002, 10:06 PM

Hehe...
Thanks for the straight dope Unit.

Although I knew the modulars never used a T-5, I never realized that the Cobras got the 3650s ahead of the GTs.

Did you actually come out of your cave just for this?

Lizard King · 08-02-2002, 12:04 AM

Unit = Infinite knowledge.

02SuperStang... if I pissed you off, I'm sorry. I new there was a difference ... but it seems that we all have Tremecs. Except you have a different type than I do.

2000GT-5spd · 08-02-2002, 05:53 AM

Sorry to jump in late here, but how can I tell which transmission I have in my 2000 GT? I want to buy a new shifter, but they seem to be different between the T5, T45, and Tremec 3650. Is there a code on the build plate, or do I have to get a part number off the box itself to know?

Thanks.

07-31-2002, 05:18 PM	#1
gilmoujr Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dexter City, Ohio Posts: 60	2001 1/2 and 2002 Stang Tranny The Tremec TR-3650 is a slight different from the T-5 so I did some digging. I am not sure which one applies but here they are. Copy it into your favorite text editor (like Notepad) and turn off word wrap. It will align for you.[SIZE=1][COLOR=blue]         &n bsp;       &nbs p;          Center          &n bsp;       &nbs p;           Dist.  Weight  &nb sp; Torque Cap. GVW/GCW     Gear Ratio&n bsp;Chart      &nbsp ;        & nbsp;       &nb sp;         Pa rt Number          mm.   lbs./kg.  lbs.ft./Nm  lbs./kg.       1st&n bsp;   2nd   3rd&nbs p;   4th   5th      6th   &nbsp ;Rev TR-3650 TR-3650 TCET1265    85     120/54.4  360/488     3,260/1,479    3.77  &nbsp ; 2    1.31  &n bsp; 1    0.67 &nbsp ;  N/A    3.38 TR-3650 TR-3650-1        & nbsp;  85    120/54.4  360/488     3,260/1,479    3.38  &nbsp ; 2    1.32  &n bsp; 1    0.67 &nbsp ;  N/A    3.38 TR-3650 TR-3650-2 TCET1858  85   &nb sp;120/54.4  360/488     3,260/1,479    3.38  &nbsp ; 2    1.32  &n bsp; 1    0.67 &nbsp ;  N/A    3.38 TR-3650 TR-3650-3 TCET1789  85   &nb sp;120/54.4  360/488     3,260/1,479    3.38  &nbsp ; 2    1.32  &n bsp; 1    0.61 &nbsp ;  N/A    3.38 TR-3650 TR-3650-4 TCET1903  85   &nb sp;120/54.4  360/488     3,260/1,479    3.38  &nbsp ; 2    1.32  &n bsp; 1    0.67 &nbsp ;  N/A    3.38 T-5     1352-000-249       &nbsp ;77    75/34.2   300/407     5,500/2,495    2.95  &nbsp ; 1.94 1.34    1&nbs p;   0.63    N/A    2.76 More to follow on Tire Size Calculations and Analyzer for Tremec 3650...

07-31-2002, 05:24 PM	#2
Hammer AKA "Dr. Evil" Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: South Fork Ranch Posts: 1,721	Actually, I think the use of the T-45 started in the 96 model run. I'm pretty sure that the T-5s went away with the push-rod motor... The 3650 came around sometime after 99, not sure when... __________________ Uncle Sam "What the hell is up with all the gauges? Calling Captain Kirk, your ride awaits... Phasers on stun...."

08-01-2002, 10:43 AM	#7
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	No, Tremec only started in the second half of 01... build date of March 01 would get you a Tremec. Proof is in the pudding. I used to have a 2000GT. Bought a B&M shifter kit for it. The shifter can not be used in my 2002GT because it is not the same tranny. Now with that said with about 10000 miles my 3 gear syncro went on my 2002, so I just got a new Tremec tranny in my car. It seems they are bullit proof but not Lizard proof. __________________ NEW CAR! - 2002 GT TrueBlue - Best Stock ET - 13.77 Old Lizard - 2000GT Electric Green - Best ET STOCK: 13.662 @ 100.2MPH

08-01-2002, 01:57 PM	#9
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	The only thing I can see is they had shortage of trannies and sent a couple of SVT trannies to build your car. Dead serious, second half of 2001 production only got Tremec. Does your tranny "whine" in first gear - a bit like if you had it in reverse? Seb __________________ NEW CAR! - 2002 GT TrueBlue - Best Stock ET - 13.77 Old Lizard - 2000GT Electric Green - Best ET STOCK: 13.662 @ 100.2MPH

08-01-2002, 02:15 PM	#10
greengoblin Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: alameda Posts: 24	ok I'm lost. what tranny is in what year? 99-? 00? 01? 02? __________________ 02 Mustang GT 4.6 91 Mustang Lx 5.0

07-31-2002, 06:35 PM	#3
o2superstang Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 24	How much stronger is the tremec that comes in a 2000 1/2 and later mustang the the T-45.

07-31-2002, 06:38 PM	#4
gilmoujr Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dexter City, Ohio Posts: 60	According to the chart I found, the 3650 can handle 360 ft-lbs of torque while the T-5 can handle 300 ft-lbs. I will do some checking on the T45 and report back...

07-31-2002, 06:42 PM	#5
gilmoujr Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dexter City, Ohio Posts: 60	Looks like the T45 can handle 325 ft-lbs. I got the info from http://www.ttcautomotive.com/products/tremec.asp Part Number Center Dist. mm. Weight lbs./kg. Torque Cap. lbs.ft./Nm GVW/GCW lbs./kg. Gear Ratio 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th Rev 1381-000-001 81.5 109/49.4 325/441 3,260/1,479 3.37 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.67 N/A 3.22 1381-000-002 81.5 109/49.4 325/441 3,260/1,479 3.37 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.67 N/A 3.22 1381-000-0011 81.5 109/49.4 325/441 3,260/1,479 3.37 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.67 N/A 3.22 TNET1386 81.5 109/49.4 325/441 3,260/1,479 3.37 1.99 1.33 1.00 0.67 N/A 3.22

08-01-2002, 08:20 AM	#6
LI STANG Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: syosset,n.y. usa Posts: 45	I think they threw tremecs in starting in 99. looked under mine and it has tremec stamped on it. ----------------------- 99 GT bassani x , magnaflows.

08-01-2002, 01:50 PM	#8
o2superstang Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 24	Well, with this said my 00 GT built in June of 2000 has "TREMEC" stamped all over the tranny. Beside the shifter and the bottom. But since Ford didn't put them in a Mustang until 2002, we must not know how to read, right???

08-01-2002, 02:26 PM	#11
Hammer AKA "Dr. Evil" Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: South Fork Ranch Posts: 1,721	T-45 for 96-98 3650 sometime after... It's RESEARCH time folks! __________________ Uncle Sam "What the hell is up with all the gauges? Calling Captain Kirk, your ride awaits... Phasers on stun...."

08-01-2002, 03:43 PM	#12
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	99 = T-5 00 = T-5 01 to 01.5 = T-5 01.5 to now = Tremec __________________ NEW CAR! - 2002 GT TrueBlue - Best Stock ET - 13.77 Old Lizard - 2000GT Electric Green - Best ET STOCK: 13.662 @ 100.2MPH

08-01-2002, 03:54 PM	#13
Hammer AKA "Dr. Evil" Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: South Fork Ranch Posts: 1,721	I don't think the modular mustangs ever used the T-5... All of the sources I've seen have it going straight from T-45 to 3650. Although in later years, the T-45 was Borg-Warner designed but Tremec-sourced.... Maybe because the original T-45's didn't hold up very often. __________________ Uncle Sam "What the hell is up with all the gauges? Calling Captain Kirk, your ride awaits... Phasers on stun...."

08-01-2002, 04:05 PM	#14
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	I'll be completely honest with you. T-5 or T-45 I don't even know the difference. I know they went to a Tremec in 2001.5 (MARCH). The Tremec feels a bit smother and tighter when new, and "whines" in first gear. __________________ NEW CAR! - 2002 GT TrueBlue - Best Stock ET - 13.77 Old Lizard - 2000GT Electric Green - Best ET STOCK: 13.662 @ 100.2MPH

08-01-2002, 08:45 PM	#15
gilmoujr Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dexter City, Ohio Posts: 60	I have a Steeda Tri-Ax for my tranny - 02 GT According to Steeda, the tranny is 3650 after Mid 01. Before that, I could not tell you. I thought it was a T-5 but I could be wrong. I can make a phone call to Steeda to see if they know for SURE.

08-01-2002, 09:37 PM	#16
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	Oh good grief, Tremec purchased the rights to the Borg Warner T-5 and T-56 several years ago, which is why the T-5, T-56, and 3650 would all have "Tremec" on them. The T-5 was used in Mustangs from 1983-1995. The T-45 started to be used in 1996, and the Cobra's got the 3650 starting in 1999. The 3650 wasn't offered in the GT until mid 2001 when the upgraded Cobra tranny became standard issue for the GT as well. The T-45 ran in the Cobra from 1996-1998, and the GT from 1996-2001. Regardless of what the ratings are, I'd take a T-5 over a T-45 any day. No T-5 was ever installed into a mod engined Mustang from the factory.

08-01-2002, 10:00 PM	#17
o2superstang Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 24	Mr. Lizard, if you goto Tremec's web site it seems they make the T-45 and a number of other transmissions. The transmissions pre 2002 could be or are "Tremec" made transmission just maybe not the 3650 that you are referring to. I will crawl under mine and try to get some sort of #'s off of it to see which "Tremec" model it is.

08-01-2002, 10:06 PM	#18
Hammer AKA "Dr. Evil" Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: South Fork Ranch Posts: 1,721	Hehe... Thanks for the straight dope Unit. Although I knew the modulars never used a T-5, I never realized that the Cobras got the 3650s ahead of the GTs. Did you actually come out of your cave just for this? __________________ Uncle Sam "What the hell is up with all the gauges? Calling Captain Kirk, your ride awaits... Phasers on stun...."

08-02-2002, 12:04 AM	#19
Lizard King midnightruns.com Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 584	Unit = Infinite knowledge. 02SuperStang... if I pissed you off, I'm sorry. I new there was a difference ... but it seems that we all have Tremecs. Except you have a different type than I do. __________________ NEW CAR! - 2002 GT TrueBlue - Best Stock ET - 13.77 Old Lizard - 2000GT Electric Green - Best ET STOCK: 13.662 @ 100.2MPH

08-02-2002, 05:53 AM	#20
2000GT-5spd Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 5	Tranny ID Sorry to jump in late here, but how can I tell which transmission I have in my 2000 GT? I want to buy a new shifter, but they seem to be different between the T5, T45, and Tremec 3650. Is there a code on the build plate, or do I have to get a part number off the box itself to know? Thanks. __________________ 2000 GT, K&N, silencer removed. Just getting started, more to come...

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