'97 Z28 vs '00 GT

SleeperGT · 01-01-2003, 03:39 PM

A few weeks ago a budy of mine and me hit Tamps's Sunshine Raceway (8th of a mile track) as I think we should have very close cars. My car is completely off the "steroids" due to chip and supercharger issues (once I get the car back I'll give the full report on the fixes). I've got an '00 GT, 5-spd and he has a '97 Z28 auto (LT1). The only mods still on my car are a 3.73 rearend gear and 2 1/2 X-pipe exhaust system with MagnoFlows (oh, I also I have Steeda lower control arms). His Z28 has the factory performance rearend (he thinks it's something like a 3.23?), he also has a new exhaust system with no cat, ported MAS and newly installed headers. I'm running BFG drag radials and he has Sumato Street Radials, not sure of the model, but they stick great because he runs very consistent 2.0x 60' times with very little problem with wheel spin.

I figured we would be very close, and man were we ever. Sorry I don't have the exact times because the raceway was tearing the slips in half to keep everyones time a secret (drove me crazy with this). So we run about 6 times for fun and it seems my car has a very slight speed advantage, however his car is much more consistent. I run between 8.7 and 8.9, depending on my 60' and I am always in the 79 mph range (79.2 to 79.8) and he is 8.8 to 8.9 in the 77 to 78 mph range. The Z28 wins 4 of the 6 runs because of the consistency. In order for either of us to win you gotta nail the reaction time and hook up well to win. However, if we both hook up I will always win by a hair, unless I lose the reaction time. It is so close it is great, the entire race is completely driver skill. It also turns out that the right lane gives slightly better traction. So we decide to make it interestings and have a best of three run-off for $20 (I know, we're such big spenders).

So we line up for the first run and you know we've got big money riding on the race because we both redlight! We both know the whole race depends on the reaction time! We restart the series and line up again (oh, by the way I give my buddy lane choice since my car has more potential, and he takes the right lane). So the first race goes down VERY close. We both have strong reaction times, I beat him with a .542 vs .561, my 60' time is slightly better with a 2.0x to a 2.1x AND I have a better end mph, 79.x to 78.x, we fly across the finish line and it is SO close, we both actually think I won, but I lost! I ever so slightly lost traction going into 2nd, but I mean it was just a slight spin, I didn't even have to let off, but I did spin a bit. So anyways, the pressure is now on me for the second race, otherwise I lose 2-0. We line up again and BAM, my buddy redlights! Poor guy hit a .499!! I hit a decent .566 but I just cruise to the finish line in no hurry. Now since I won I get the lane choice and take the right lane. My buddy is a bit freaked by previous red light and cranks a .64x reaction time and I'm lucky and hit a .565. I end up running a low 8.8x at 79.x to his 8.9x at 78.x.

This was some of the most fun racing I have ever done because everything boiled down to reaction and 60' times! Plus the whole Ford Chevy thing played up well at the track.

01-01-2003, 07:45 PM

What's the purpose behind 1/8 mile tracks instead of the usual 1/4 mile tracks? I mean the pit and staging area needs to be the same size. 1/8 mile tracks seem pretty....weak?

typeR · 01-01-2003, 07:52 PM

i goto sunshine almost every week the weather is good...whish i could have been there...i could add some additional; excitement, Ive gone 8.969 at sunshine...though not concistantly,i have a serious traction problem ,and can go up in smoke at a drop of a hat. LMK next time you guys go down, im up for it...email me or post here

SleeperGT · 01-01-2003, 08:28 PM

20lbs - I also hate the 8th. I can only think it is a real estate thing as to why tracks are set up this way. By the time you've hooked your car up the race is over. Absolutely no room to really let the car stetch its legs. I would have loved to see what the out come of a quarter mile race would have been. I live in Jacksonville which only has an 8th and I don't go their anymore, as I'd rather make the trip to Gainesville, which has a 1/4, even though it is twice as far for me.

TypeR - Traction was a serious problem that night also at the track. Somebody blew up on the track and it took half the field practically crashing their cars before they cleaned it up. I've heard the track is closed for the season now. Maybe next season I'll put a post out their and see what kind of competition we can get going.

typeR · 01-01-2003, 08:53 PM

they dont close...just for the week before christmas and week after...they should be open this wednesday...and every wwednesday to follow for T&T...ill check tomorrow

tireburner163 · 01-01-2003, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by 20LbsBoost
What's the purpose behind 1/8 mile tracks instead of the usual 1/4 mile tracks? I mean the pit and staging area needs to be the same size. 1/8 mile tracks seem pretty....weak?

If you knew how much more a 1/4 track would cost you wouldn't be so quick to judge.

lx mike · 01-02-2003, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 20LbsBoost
What's the purpose behind 1/8 mile tracks instead of the usual 1/4 mile tracks? I mean the pit and staging area needs to be the same size. 1/8 mile tracks seem pretty....weak?

1/8 mile track are all about traction and reaction time. if your late and/or spin your gonna loose unless your way quicker than the other guy.

Kevin Price · 01-02-2003, 09:11 AM

Quote:

What's the purpose behind 1/8 mile tracks instead of the usual 1/4 mile tracks? I mean the pit and staging area needs to be the same size. 1/8 mile tracks seem pretty....weak?

For guys with motors such as man it is actually prefered. Saves wear and tear on the motor. I actually like racing the 1/8th mile as do most of the guys in my class.

Eric4Nitrous · 01-02-2003, 09:19 AM

yeah i agree. 1/8th mile saves ALOT of parts on a heavily built car. I don't usually like racing 1/8th because you don't have time to really stretch your car out..but it's ok.

typeR · 01-02-2003, 09:30 AM

BTW sunshine is open jan the 8 th wednesday

The Deuce · 01-02-2003, 12:59 PM

Seems like out here they are setting up temporary 1/8 tracks to curb street racing. A full 1/4 takes twice as much racing real estate, which is hard to come by.

Not to mention the kids seem to love the 1/8. Lets all the 'you know what' crowd have 10, 11 second cars.

lx mike · 01-02-2003, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Not to mention the kids seem to love the 1/8. Lets all the 'you know what' crowd have 10, 11 second cars

That means i have an 8 second daily driver

typeR · 01-02-2003, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Deuce
Lets all the 'you know what' crowd have 10, 11 second cars.

LMAO...no **** ..nothing like waiting 20 minutes between runs on 11's(1/8th) cars...big fun...but i will say it's probablly a better example of what happens on the street...0-80 or 0-70 for those 11 sec. cars

typeR · 01-02-2003, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lx mike
That means i have an 8 second daily driver

you and me both my freind

01-01-2003, 03:39 PM	#1
SleeperGT Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ponte Vedra Beach, FL Posts: 122	'97 Z28 vs '00 GT A few weeks ago a budy of mine and me hit Tamps's Sunshine Raceway (8th of a mile track) as I think we should have very close cars. My car is completely off the "steroids" due to chip and supercharger issues (once I get the car back I'll give the full report on the fixes). I've got an '00 GT, 5-spd and he has a '97 Z28 auto (LT1). The only mods still on my car are a 3.73 rearend gear and 2 1/2 X-pipe exhaust system with MagnoFlows (oh, I also I have Steeda lower control arms). His Z28 has the factory performance rearend (he thinks it's something like a 3.23?), he also has a new exhaust system with no cat, ported MAS and newly installed headers. I'm running BFG drag radials and he has Sumato Street Radials, not sure of the model, but they stick great because he runs very consistent 2.0x 60' times with very little problem with wheel spin. I figured we would be very close, and man were we ever. Sorry I don't have the exact times because the raceway was tearing the slips in half to keep everyones time a secret (drove me crazy with this). So we run about 6 times for fun and it seems my car has a very slight speed advantage, however his car is much more consistent. I run between 8.7 and 8.9, depending on my 60' and I am always in the 79 mph range (79.2 to 79.8) and he is 8.8 to 8.9 in the 77 to 78 mph range. The Z28 wins 4 of the 6 runs because of the consistency. In order for either of us to win you gotta nail the reaction time and hook up well to win. However, if we both hook up I will always win by a hair, unless I lose the reaction time. It is so close it is great, the entire race is completely driver skill. It also turns out that the right lane gives slightly better traction. So we decide to make it interestings and have a best of three run-off for $20 (I know, we're such big spenders). So we line up for the first run and you know we've got big money riding on the race because we both redlight! We both know the whole race depends on the reaction time! We restart the series and line up again (oh, by the way I give my buddy lane choice since my car has more potential, and he takes the right lane). So the first race goes down VERY close. We both have strong reaction times, I beat him with a .542 vs .561, my 60' time is slightly better with a 2.0x to a 2.1x AND I have a better end mph, 79.x to 78.x, we fly across the finish line and it is SO close, we both actually think I won, but I lost! I ever so slightly lost traction going into 2nd, but I mean it was just a slight spin, I didn't even have to let off, but I did spin a bit. So anyways, the pressure is now on me for the second race, otherwise I lose 2-0. We line up again and BAM, my buddy redlights! Poor guy hit a .499!! I hit a decent .566 but I just cruise to the finish line in no hurry. Now since I won I get the lane choice and take the right lane. My buddy is a bit freaked by previous red light and cranks a .64x reaction time and I'm lucky and hit a .565. I end up running a low 8.8x at 79.x to his 8.9x at 78.x. This was some of the most fun racing I have ever done because everything boiled down to reaction and 60' times! Plus the whole Ford Chevy thing played up well at the track. __________________ '00 GT 5-spd Vortech S-Trim 3.1" Pulley Paxton Air-to-Air Aftercooler 90 mm MAS 42 lb injectors Cobra Fuel Pump 70 mm AccuFab Throttlebody C & L Intake Plenum 2 1/2" X-pipes Anderson PowerPipe MagnaFlow Mufflers Diablo Custom Chip 3.73's Steeda Lower Control Arms 358 rwhp (Mustang Dyno) New Track Times Coming Soon

01-01-2003, 07:52 PM	#3
typeR Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 111	i goto sunshine almost every week the weather is good...whish i could have been there...i could add some additional; excitement, Ive gone 8.969 at sunshine...though not concistantly,i have a serious traction problem ,and can go up in smoke at a drop of a hat. LMK next time you guys go down, im up for it...email me or post here __________________ '01 acura CL-S 260/232 (stock) 2500$ 3.5L short block 299$ cai 10 whp 299$ lowered 1.0/1.25 999$ headers 30 whp look on there face...pricless PB 1/4 13.794@101.54

01-01-2003, 08:28 PM	#4
SleeperGT Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ponte Vedra Beach, FL Posts: 122	Hate the 8th Also 20lbs - I also hate the 8th. I can only think it is a real estate thing as to why tracks are set up this way. By the time you've hooked your car up the race is over. Absolutely no room to really let the car stetch its legs. I would have loved to see what the out come of a quarter mile race would have been. I live in Jacksonville which only has an 8th and I don't go their anymore, as I'd rather make the trip to Gainesville, which has a 1/4, even though it is twice as far for me. TypeR - Traction was a serious problem that night also at the track. Somebody blew up on the track and it took half the field practically crashing their cars before they cleaned it up. I've heard the track is closed for the season now. Maybe next season I'll put a post out their and see what kind of competition we can get going. __________________ '00 GT 5-spd Vortech S-Trim 3.1" Pulley Paxton Air-to-Air Aftercooler 90 mm MAS 42 lb injectors Cobra Fuel Pump 70 mm AccuFab Throttlebody C & L Intake Plenum 2 1/2" X-pipes Anderson PowerPipe MagnaFlow Mufflers Diablo Custom Chip 3.73's Steeda Lower Control Arms 358 rwhp (Mustang Dyno) New Track Times Coming Soon

01-01-2003, 08:53 PM	#5
typeR Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 111	they dont close...just for the week before christmas and week after...they should be open this wednesday...and every wwednesday to follow for T&T...ill check tomorrow __________________ '01 acura CL-S 260/232 (stock) 2500$ 3.5L short block 299$ cai 10 whp 299$ lowered 1.0/1.25 999$ headers 30 whp look on there face...pricless PB 1/4 13.794@101.54

01-02-2003, 09:19 AM	#9
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	yeah i agree. 1/8th mile saves ALOT of parts on a heavily built car. I don't usually like racing 1/8th because you don't have time to really stretch your car out..but it's ok. __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

01-01-2003, 07:45 PM	#2
20LbsBoost Guest Posts: n/a	What's the purpose behind 1/8 mile tracks instead of the usual 1/4 mile tracks? I mean the pit and staging area needs to be the same size. 1/8 mile tracks seem pretty....weak?

01-02-2003, 09:30 AM	#10
typeR Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 111	BTW sunshine is open jan the 8 th wednesday __________________ '01 acura CL-S 260/232 (stock) 2500$ 3.5L short block 299$ cai 10 whp 299$ lowered 1.0/1.25 999$ headers 30 whp look on there face...pricless PB 1/4 13.794@101.54

01-02-2003, 12:59 PM	#11
The Deuce Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,325	Seems like out here they are setting up temporary 1/8 tracks to curb street racing. A full 1/4 takes twice as much racing real estate, which is hard to come by. Not to mention the kids seem to love the 1/8. Lets all the 'you know what' crowd have 10, 11 second cars. __________________ 1997 Mustang GT "The Freak" - 13.80 @ 101.70, 2.07 60' 1995 Honda VFR750 - not much @ really fast (actual data pending.) 1964.5 Mustang 289 Rice Haters Club Member #13

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