Intake selection with a 383/408 stroker

Capri306 · 04-29-2002, 05:09 PM

Hey all, I'm coming down to the last part of my part selection hunt. It's going to be a 351W stroker, with AFR 185's (205's if I don't keep EGR and thermactor), and a Novi 2000 blower. All I have to figure out is the intake and the camshaft (I THINK I'm going with something along the lines of CompCams 276HR [220/244 & .544/.560]). The point is this: this is going to be a daily driven car with an automatic transmission (modified AOD/E4OD), seeing a LOT of street action and some strip. Therefore, I need fair mileage and a decent amount of horsepower. I really want to keep the EGR on there, but if you haven't noticed, the intake selection for 351W's generally sucks!

Okay, that's my question: what's a good flowing intake that will allow me to keep emission controls on my Stang? My first thought is Trick Flow, but Edelbrocks have always been pretty dependable, too. The AFR heads will flow 280cfm out of the box, and with the blower....I just need an intake that can handle the airflow without absolutely killing the low & midrange. Somebody needs to make a medium-length, LARGE runner intake for 351W's. Help me???

Eric4Nitrous · 04-29-2002, 06:56 PM

Hey, Try going with the Edelbrock's Victor 5.0 intake. It will flow the numbers that you desire.

Eric

Capri306 · 04-29-2002, 08:23 PM

Problemo there, dude. The Victor 5.0 is for 5.0-based engines. Mine's 351W-based. I know, I know, they have a Victor EFI for 5.8's, but it doesn't have EGR passages, either.

Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Any others???

Mach 1 · 04-29-2002, 11:29 PM

Well, I dont know why you want to keep your EGR on a 383/408 (it wont be emissions legal anyway, right?) but Im pretty sure the Trick Flow 351 intake retains the EGR provisions.

Skyman · 04-30-2002, 01:14 AM

A blown 351 will have plenty of low end, dont worry about it.

Sky

Rick 91GT · 04-30-2002, 06:22 AM

Not sure if it will be emissions legal but the Spyder is the best intake out for a blown 351 based stroker..that's what I'll be getting for my 408 or 418ci combo next year. A Saleen 351 intake wouldn't be bad, put it will be pricey...

Not sure if you have found your kit yet but I have been working with Brian Adams and he has the best prices I have found, just got a forged 331 combo from him for dads 93 Cobra. Drop him a e-mail he wll save you some money and is one of the nicest guys you'll meet. Tell him Rick sent ya!

Brian Adams- scatstroker@hotmail.com or 425-941-2267

Capri306 · 05-01-2002, 01:36 AM

Thanks, Rick! Yeah, I really do need somebody to hook me up on a stroker kit, and bad! Did I mention I'm on a college student budget?

Yeah, exactly, hehehe. Well, I'm not worried about the low end anymore, and as far as heads and stuff....well, that's probably just going to come down to money. I mean, if I can afford the AFR 205's, I'll go with those. If it's tight, I'll go with 185 street legals. I figure if I don't get stupid with the compression ratio, I can just crank up the boost if I wanna go faster.

That Spyder's looking more and more attractive all the time though. Those things supposedly F-L-O-W!!! Comes with 1/2 inch fuel rails, for about $750??? Not too shabby. Plus, I've seen the one Dan has, and it's got-damn intimidating just to look at!!!!

Mach 1 · 05-01-2002, 02:32 AM

Capri - Did you look into the trick flow for the 351? Is it emmissions legal?

Rick 91GT · 05-01-2002, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Capri306
Thanks, Rick! Yeah, I really do need somebody to hook me up on a stroker kit, and bad! Did I mention I'm on a college student budget? Yeah, exactly, hehehe. Well, I'm not worried about the low end anymore, and as far as heads and stuff....well, that's probably just going to come down to money. I mean, if I can afford the AFR 205's, I'll go with those. If it's tight, I'll go with 185 street legals. I figure if I don't get stupid with the compression ratio, I can just crank up the boost if I wanna go faster.

That Spyder's looking more and more attractive all the time though. Those things supposedly F-L-O-W!!! Comes with 1/2 inch fuel rails, for about $750??? Not too shabby. Plus, I've seen the one Dan has, and it's got-damn intimidating just to look at!!!!

NO Problem, Brian will be able to help you out

I figure when I go 408 I'm going to buy the manifold adapters to try the Holley 302 out on the 351 just to see how it goes, although my car will be getting a Spyder for sure. The flow huge numbers and will support just about anything.

Capri306 · 05-03-2002, 01:17 AM

Mach 1: yep, checked into it, and it does have the exhaust crossover passage necessary for EGR....therefore, I *assume* it would be cool, emissions-wise... Oh well..... I guess for now, I'll just leave it to the ol' pocketbook to decide, hehehe.

I'm going to keep diggin' for flow numbers, and I'm sure some of the mags out there already have or will have an article on each of the available 351W manifolds. I'm not going to even bother calling the individual companies for numbers because they're all going to tell me the same thing: ours flows the best!

DemonGT · 05-03-2002, 12:23 PM

dose anyone have a idea of how much just a 351 short block would be...probubly with H beam's and blower friendly pistons?

Rick 91GT · 05-03-2002, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DemonGT
dose anyone have a idea of how much just a 351 short block would be...probubly with H beam's and blower friendly pistons?

Well a 408-418 kit with forged pistons, forged 4340 crank and 4340 H-beams plus rings and bearings will run me around $1500. I was getting a motor from the junk yard and having all the machine work done plus oil pump $30, ARP shaft $25, timing chain $69 (steel gear) and pan and pick up...

Contact my friend Brian Adams scatstroker@hotmail.com, he'll be able to give you a very good deal. Tell him Rick sent ya.

DemonGT · 05-03-2002, 10:12 PM

k thanks rick

04-29-2002, 05:09 PM	#1
Capri306 Moderator Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA Posts: 1,001	Intake selection with a 383/408 stroker Hey all, I'm coming down to the last part of my part selection hunt. It's going to be a 351W stroker, with AFR 185's (205's if I don't keep EGR and thermactor), and a Novi 2000 blower. All I have to figure out is the intake and the camshaft (I THINK I'm going with something along the lines of CompCams 276HR [220/244 & .544/.560]). The point is this: this is going to be a daily driven car with an automatic transmission (modified AOD/E4OD), seeing a LOT of street action and some strip. Therefore, I need fair mileage and a decent amount of horsepower. I really want to keep the EGR on there, but if you haven't noticed, the intake selection for 351W's generally sucks! Okay, that's my question: what's a good flowing intake that will allow me to keep emission controls on my Stang? My first thought is Trick Flow, but Edelbrocks have always been pretty dependable, too. The AFR heads will flow 280cfm out of the box, and with the blower....I just need an intake that can handle the airflow without absolutely killing the low & midrange. Somebody needs to make a medium-length, LARGE runner intake for 351W's. Help me??? __________________ Capri306, Moderator The Mustang Works Online 1979 Mercury Capri 1987 5.0L Mustang LX Notchback 1993 5.8L Eddie Bauer Bronco

04-29-2002, 06:56 PM	#2
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	Hey, Try going with the Edelbrock's Victor 5.0 intake. It will flow the numbers that you desire. Eric __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

04-29-2002, 08:23 PM	#3
Capri306 Moderator Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA Posts: 1,001	Problemo there, dude. The Victor 5.0 is for 5.0-based engines. Mine's 351W-based. I know, I know, they have a Victor EFI for 5.8's, but it doesn't have EGR passages, either. Thanks for the suggestion, though. Any others??? __________________ Capri306, Moderator The Mustang Works Online 1979 Mercury Capri 1987 5.0L Mustang LX Notchback 1993 5.8L Eddie Bauer Bronco

04-29-2002, 11:29 PM	#4
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	Well, I dont know why you want to keep your EGR on a 383/408 (it wont be emissions legal anyway, right?) but Im pretty sure the Trick Flow 351 intake retains the EGR provisions. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

04-30-2002, 01:14 AM	#5
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	A blown 351 will have plenty of low end, dont worry about it. Sky __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

04-30-2002, 06:22 AM	#6
Rick 91GT Procharged! Join Date: May 1999 Location: Hanover, PA Posts: 1,539	Not sure if it will be emissions legal but the Spyder is the best intake out for a blown 351 based stroker..that's what I'll be getting for my 408 or 418ci combo next year. A Saleen 351 intake wouldn't be bad, put it will be pricey... Not sure if you have found your kit yet but I have been working with Brian Adams and he has the best prices I have found, just got a forged 331 combo from him for dads 93 Cobra. Drop him a e-mail he wll save you some money and is one of the nicest guys you'll meet. Tell him Rick sent ya! Brian Adams- scatstroker@hotmail.com or 425-941-2267 __________________ *D/R 10108 NMRA Drag Radial, 25.5 chassis, F1R* *Check out RNH Performance Performance Engines and Custom Fabrication.* *From Mild to Wild we can build what you want, when you want it.* FOR SALE Stainless Steel Torque Box Supports

05-01-2002, 01:36 AM	#7
Capri306 Moderator Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA Posts: 1,001	Thanks, Rick! Yeah, I really do need somebody to hook me up on a stroker kit, and bad! Did I mention I'm on a college student budget? Yeah, exactly, hehehe. Well, I'm not worried about the low end anymore, and as far as heads and stuff....well, that's probably just going to come down to money. I mean, if I can afford the AFR 205's, I'll go with those. If it's tight, I'll go with 185 street legals. I figure if I don't get stupid with the compression ratio, I can just crank up the boost if I wanna go faster. That Spyder's looking more and more attractive all the time though. Those things supposedly F-L-O-W!!! Comes with 1/2 inch fuel rails, for about $750??? Not too shabby. Plus, I've seen the one Dan has, and it's got-damn intimidating just to look at!!!! __________________ Capri306, Moderator The Mustang Works Online 1979 Mercury Capri 1987 5.0L Mustang LX Notchback 1993 5.8L Eddie Bauer Bronco

05-01-2002, 02:32 AM	#8
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	Capri - Did you look into the trick flow for the 351? Is it emmissions legal? __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

05-03-2002, 01:17 AM	#10
Capri306 Moderator Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan, USA Posts: 1,001	Mach 1: yep, checked into it, and it does have the exhaust crossover passage necessary for EGR....therefore, I assume it would be cool, emissions-wise... Oh well..... I guess for now, I'll just leave it to the ol' pocketbook to decide, hehehe. I'm going to keep diggin' for flow numbers, and I'm sure some of the mags out there already have or will have an article on each of the available 351W manifolds. I'm not going to even bother calling the individual companies for numbers because they're all going to tell me the same thing: ours flows the best! __________________ Capri306, Moderator The Mustang Works Online 1979 Mercury Capri 1987 5.0L Mustang LX Notchback 1993 5.8L Eddie Bauer Bronco

05-03-2002, 12:23 PM	#11
DemonGT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 879	dose anyone have a idea of how much just a 351 short block would be...probubly with H beam's and blower friendly pistons? __________________ '91 GT,410W,10.5 to 1 comp,Victor Jr. heads,Victor 5.8 intake,FTI cam,Crane retro fit lifters,Scorpian 1.6 RR's,Melling HV oil pump,MSD distro.,Canton oil pan,FMS flywheel,Romac balancer,FMS timing chain,Accufab 90mm TB,C&L 76mm maf, 42lbers,HD clutch,K&N air filter,Mac long tubes,Pro dumps,powerchamber,FMS 9mm wires,180 thermostat,Ford Racing gauges,5inch Tach,centerline convo pro's,nitto DR's,Pro3i lower control arms,50/50 shocks,3.55 gears,TFS HD diff. cover Next year: Tremec TKO,Spec stage 3 clutch,alum driveshaft,complete fuel system www.angelfire.com/linux/demondan

05-03-2002, 10:12 PM	#13
DemonGT Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 879	k thanks rick __________________ '91 GT,410W,10.5 to 1 comp,Victor Jr. heads,Victor 5.8 intake,FTI cam,Crane retro fit lifters,Scorpian 1.6 RR's,Melling HV oil pump,MSD distro.,Canton oil pan,FMS flywheel,Romac balancer,FMS timing chain,Accufab 90mm TB,C&L 76mm maf, 42lbers,HD clutch,K&N air filter,Mac long tubes,Pro dumps,powerchamber,FMS 9mm wires,180 thermostat,Ford Racing gauges,5inch Tach,centerline convo pro's,nitto DR's,Pro3i lower control arms,50/50 shocks,3.55 gears,TFS HD diff. cover Next year: Tremec TKO,Spec stage 3 clutch,alum driveshaft,complete fuel system www.angelfire.com/linux/demondan

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