need to beat camaro

melmo316 · 03-08-2002, 01:13 AM

hello, I am thinking about buying an early 90's Mustang 5.0. I am on a limited budget. My husband has an 86 camaro with a built 350 and my goal is to get a car that will out run him in a 1/4 mi., he dislikes Mustangs, so that would just make it all the better! His car should be in the low 14 sec. range. What would I have to do with a Mustang to beat him? He thinks I should just get another camaro so that "I have a chance". How fast are these Mustangs stock and what would I have to do?
I am not an "experienced driver" but I have had a few races myself. Would it be easier for me to drive the auto or manual.
Please help I need to shut him up.
Thanks, Jen.

Smokedawg · 03-08-2002, 03:01 AM

I would buy a 90-93 mustang GT...Prob run you about 4-6 thousand for a nice one. Throw on a set of gears and it would be a close race. Just for extra, throw on a bigger MAF, TB, and a set of underdrive pulleys and exhaust system....

Nitrous Al · 03-08-2002, 02:04 PM

Jen, Smokedawg is right. I would look for a '87-'92 5.0 LX or GT. these cars came from the factory with forged pistons. Try to find out what your husband's Camaro ran at the track and go from there. Check your local classifieds and the used car lots for a good running 5.0. Before you purchase the car, have a mechanic check it out. Pay him or her to do a compression test and overall checkup. You can answer the "auto or stick" question yourself. Which one are you the most comfortable with? There's got to be a few Performance shops up in Oregon. Find one that's does good work and tell them what your plans are for the car. Also ask as many questions as possible about your Mustang. Keep us up to date on how you are making out. GOOD LUCK, Jen!

Phantom5oh · 03-08-2002, 04:00 PM

Smokedawg and Nitrous Al are both right, it doesn't take much to beat a pre 93 Camaro or Trans AM. My brother has had 2 Trans AMs with 350's in them, I have even had one myself and they aren't that fast. He had an 86 GTA and we built up a monster motor for it, tranny work, gears, exhuast and suspension work. The car still only ran 12's. My buddies '88 Mustang GT with only suspension work exhaust and gears would always keep up with it! Camaros are much heavier than Stangs so unless your husbands Camaro runs less than 13's then you should be able to beat him with just minor work.

Steve

Stang Runner · 03-08-2002, 04:59 PM

86 camaro with a built 350 need a bit more Info on it is it a 550HP 14:1 motor or a like 9:1 with like 350Hp Most of the time a stang with heads Intake and gears plus a few other mods will be beating most cars out there.

lx mike · 03-08-2002, 05:00 PM

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His car should be in the low 14 sec. range. What would I have to do with a Mustang to beat him?

click on my car name below and you'll see what i have and i run 13.8's the main thing is traction, when i got my mccreary tires my times dropped alot I dropped .5 in the 1/8 mile

Stang Runner · 03-08-2002, 05:15 PM

Now I feel dumb Sorry!!!!!!!!

1BAD89 · 03-08-2002, 05:16 PM

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throw on a bigger MAF, TB

Those things aren't going to make any difference on a near stock stang(waste of money at the near stock stage), it'll make a difference in your wallet though. Definatley get a 5-speed, the fox auto.'s just aren't fast without alot of work. Then the automatic tranny dies in them when you spend $1000's to get them semi-fast. Winning races is all about TRACTION. Get some sticky tires, practice launching, and practice shifting, and you'll be ready to go. Maybe get some 3:73's, exhaust, those mod's with your sticky tires should put you right around or faster than he is. Your husband is going to be pretty upset when you blow his doors off.

Coupe5oh · 03-08-2002, 05:23 PM

I agree, I dropped 1/2 a sec with sticky tires, and im running granny higway gears....sorry to get off the subject, but 1bad89 is right i think, the stock upper plennum has a 60mm opening, a bigger tb and spacer wont match the intake anyways without some porting on the intake?? correct?

im still buying a 65mm tb just because i need a new one, but i expect no gain, hey 1bad, what if i gewt an explore intk and tb, along with a 73mm maf? good luck melmo.....

1BAD89 · 03-08-2002, 05:35 PM

Coupe5oh, I would buy a 70mm TB, unless you find a good deal on a 65mm. The reasoning behind that is, most aftermarket intakes have a 70mm opening, and a 70mm TB is said to be good to up to 650hp. Either one you buy 65mm or 70mm you'll most likely not feel a difference between. If you have the stock intake, don't buy another Throttle Body unless you plan on porting the intake opening to match, otherwise your going to have a gap in between the two when they are bolted up.

SaleenGTS · 03-08-2002, 08:44 PM

All of the dyno's I have read and seen have proven the 70's to actualy lose a little or break even to the 65's on anything not ported out the butt or blown/gassed. Personally I lost 3 lbs or torque, but gained 2 hp with the upgrade.........

1BAD89 · 03-08-2002, 09:04 PM

MM&FF has done a few articles, between the 65mm and the 70mm TB, and at like heads/cam stage, they didn't lose or pick up anything.

ThreePonyStable · 03-10-2002, 06:17 PM

Take a look at the first car in my sig. It was cheap and a consistent mid 13 second car.

03-08-2002, 01:13 AM	#1
melmo316 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: oregon Posts: 6	need to beat camaro hello, I am thinking about buying an early 90's Mustang 5.0. I am on a limited budget. My husband has an 86 camaro with a built 350 and my goal is to get a car that will out run him in a 1/4 mi., he dislikes Mustangs, so that would just make it all the better! His car should be in the low 14 sec. range. What would I have to do with a Mustang to beat him? He thinks I should just get another camaro so that "I have a chance". How fast are these Mustangs stock and what would I have to do? I am not an "experienced driver" but I have had a few races myself. Would it be easier for me to drive the auto or manual. Please help I need to shut him up. Thanks, Jen.

03-08-2002, 03:01 AM	#2
Smokedawg Tires Fear Me... Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 867	I would buy a 90-93 mustang GT...Prob run you about 4-6 thousand for a nice one. Throw on a set of gears and it would be a close race. Just for extra, throw on a bigger MAF, TB, and a set of underdrive pulleys and exhaust system.... __________________ 1990 Mustang GT- 347 Stroker-Tremec 3550-Compucar Nitrous, AFR, Systemax Intake, AFM, 30lbers, 70MM TB, 76mm MAF, full suspension and lots more 1995 Chevy S-10 406 SBC, Dual tunnel ram, Dart heads, Nitrous, full tub, 4-link, adjustable drag shocks, coil-overs, 9in rearend, 4.56 gears...etc

03-08-2002, 04:00 PM	#4
Phantom5oh Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 334	Smokedawg and Nitrous Al are both right, it doesn't take much to beat a pre 93 Camaro or Trans AM. My brother has had 2 Trans AMs with 350's in them, I have even had one myself and they aren't that fast. He had an 86 GTA and we built up a monster motor for it, tranny work, gears, exhuast and suspension work. The car still only ran 12's. My buddies '88 Mustang GT with only suspension work exhaust and gears would always keep up with it! Camaros are much heavier than Stangs so unless your husbands Camaro runs less than 13's then you should be able to beat him with just minor work. Steve __________________ 95 GTS 03 DR 650SE Sgarzi's Machine Works

03-08-2002, 04:59 PM	#5
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	86 camaro with a built 350 need a bit more Info on it is it a 550HP 14:1 motor or a like 9:1 with like 350Hp Most of the time a stang with heads Intake and gears plus a few other mods will be beating most cars out there. __________________ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, GT-40 Intake ported Lower, No power steering, No A/C, Mac cold intake, 65MM TB, 255 Fuel pump, 24's, AFR 165 58cc, Rocker Arms 1.7with the stock Cam, 1 5/8 short headers, offRoad X-pipe Drive Train: 3.55, T-5 with a Pro 5.0 shifter 12.656@107.71MPH See It at www.T-racing.com/mustang.htm

03-08-2002, 05:15 PM	#7
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	Now I feel dumb Sorry!!!!!!!! __________________ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, GT-40 Intake ported Lower, No power steering, No A/C, Mac cold intake, 65MM TB, 255 Fuel pump, 24's, AFR 165 58cc, Rocker Arms 1.7with the stock Cam, 1 5/8 short headers, offRoad X-pipe Drive Train: 3.55, T-5 with a Pro 5.0 shifter 12.656@107.71MPH See It at www.T-racing.com/mustang.htm

03-08-2002, 02:04 PM	#3
Nitrous Al Registered Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: Everett, MA Posts: 417	Jen, Smokedawg is right. I would look for a '87-'92 5.0 LX or GT. these cars came from the factory with forged pistons. Try to find out what your husband's Camaro ran at the track and go from there. Check your local classifieds and the used car lots for a good running 5.0. Before you purchase the car, have a mechanic check it out. Pay him or her to do a compression test and overall checkup. You can answer the "auto or stick" question yourself. Which one are you the most comfortable with? There's got to be a few Performance shops up in Oregon. Find one that's does good work and tell them what your plans are for the car. Also ask as many questions as possible about your Mustang. Keep us up to date on how you are making out. GOOD LUCK, Jen!

03-08-2002, 05:23 PM	#9
Coupe5oh Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SanAntonio, Tx Posts: 734	I agree, I dropped 1/2 a sec with sticky tires, and im running granny higway gears....sorry to get off the subject, but 1bad89 is right i think, the stock upper plennum has a 60mm opening, a bigger tb and spacer wont match the intake anyways without some porting on the intake?? correct? im still buying a 65mm tb just because i need a new one, but i expect no gain, hey 1bad, what if i gewt an explore intk and tb, along with a 73mm maf? good luck melmo..... __________________ Police package 5spd 90 Lx, Stock original motor, 3.27grs, BM fan, fms 10.5 clutch, D&D quadrant, and adjuster, ADS chip, 180 stat, mac cai, mac h-pipe, mac subframe connectors, ASP crank pulley, ripper shifter, 26x10.5 M/T sport pros welds. 246 hp according to analyzer Race weight: 3,120 E.t-13.57 with 26x10.50's e.t. streets. 1.88 60' mph- 99.92 mph

03-08-2002, 05:35 PM	#10
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	Coupe5oh, I would buy a 70mm TB, unless you find a good deal on a 65mm. The reasoning behind that is, most aftermarket intakes have a 70mm opening, and a 70mm TB is said to be good to up to 650hp. Either one you buy 65mm or 70mm you'll most likely not feel a difference between. If you have the stock intake, don't buy another Throttle Body unless you plan on porting the intake opening to match, otherwise your going to have a gap in between the two when they are bolted up.

03-08-2002, 08:44 PM	#11
SaleenGTS RICE taste like Chicken Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 687	All of the dyno's I have read and seen have proven the 70's to actualy lose a little or break even to the 65's on anything not ported out the butt or blown/gassed. Personally I lost 3 lbs or torque, but gained 2 hp with the upgrade......... __________________ Dustin 89 Saleen GT Sport Supercharged 306 Started her up 6/8/03 Old Motor Supercharged 347 516 rwhp 553 rwtq 11.249@126.83 1997 Honda CBR 1100XX Super Blackbird 162 hp

03-08-2002, 09:04 PM	#12
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	MM&FF has done a few articles, between the 65mm and the 70mm TB, and at like heads/cam stage, they didn't lose or pick up anything.

03-10-2002, 06:17 PM	#13
ThreePonyStable Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Kensington, CT Posts: 47	Take a look at the first car in my sig. It was cheap and a consistent mid 13 second car. __________________ Mine: 1991 Mustang LX, 5-speed, Mac catback, Pulleys, K&N, Aluminum D-shaft, Pro 5.0, 3.55, Lakewood shocks, SSM lift bars, Hoosier slicks. 13.67 @ 98. Sons: 1989 Mustang LX, Auto, Flowmaster catback, Mac H-pipe, Mac headers, Cobra intake, 1.7 roller rockers, 65mm Tbody, Mac cold air kit, 2400 stall converter, 3.73, 17x9 Cobra Rs, '01 Leather seats. 14.185 @ 96.8 Sold: 1966 Mustang Coupe, '88 5-speed, '69 302, Super turboes. Probably 15s. For Sale: 1987 Mustang GT, Auto, Bone Stock, with air silencer. No times.

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