My 88 convertible would have handed you your @ss bone stock with 2.73 gears.

I have outran some 96-98 stangs in my bone stock 00' GMC truck...It is truely sad:(

So what is your point:confused:

Why didn't anyone tell me i can cut 2.5 seconds off my ET for $1,000?

Also - what the hell do you mean by "a good tune"? Like a tune up? New spark plugs? An SUV intake? I hear rice boys talk alot about "tuning" but they don't really know either.

I think it's very impressive. On street tires (i know you'll tell me he can cut over a second off with slicks) and street trim.

What times do you run?
I read your sig and i would guess maybe you run a mid 13 but according to your reasoning your 88 muset be a mid 12 second car.
I'm curious as is everyone else.

I'm not your friend and your pathetic attempt of coming across as mr. cool with your lamo closing remarks has backfired. :p

The purpose of this post is not to flame - but you are clearly misleading people with wrong information. There's a difference between giving your opinion and telling lies.

I wanna set to record straight so John Stafford doens't buy slicks and expect a 12 second timeslip.

It's as common to see 1999 and up GT's with gears, exhaust and basic bolt-ons with or without out a tune to run high 12's (see sig)...stock engine including manifolds.

Bill

Alright TryMe, you're so horribly misinformed that I don't know where to begin. Take a look at Jeff Chambers car. Stock GT40P heads. Mild cam. Edelbrock Intake. Naturally aspirated. 11.4@118mph. 1990 Mustang GT. That's impressive. What's more impressive is this year he switched to a mild intake and a Holley 650cfm carb. 11.343@120mph, at 4500ft cutting 1.59 60ft when he normally 60ft's in the high 1.4's to low 1.5's. In other words, he's got a 10sec car with Factory Explorer heads. Jeff was running high 11's on stock GT40 Irons.

Take the fastest stock Gen 1 4.6L Vert in the galaxie and come to a place where the tracks aren't 200ft short, and then see what it'll do. Nobody in their right mind will believe your car is a stock Gen 1 4.6L vert running 14's. A fox running 12's off the factory floor is just about as believable as your claims.

Lizard King, it may be that I have exhuast. Still has cats. I'm also at stock timing, and my 1st gear ratio sux way more than stock. My 87 can do over 50mph in 1st gear if I were to strech it. Believe me, there is a night and day difference between the 2.95 1st gear on 2.73's and the stock 3.35's. There was a 3.08 option from the factory, and 3.27 for the AOD cars as well. I wince at thinking about bad my 5.0 would have killed the 01 had it been equipped with the 3.08's and a 3.35:1 stock tranny when I ran them. Other factors. 161,000mi on the engine, no tune for over 15,000mi. Dirty air filter. Dual sub iso baric bandpass in the trunk, and it was 90* out. The 5.0 HATES hot weather. If there was ever a time the 87 would have been running slow, it was then.

QKHORSE, you really don't want to do the dyno numbers like I've done above. Fine, let's go there. Average SD 5.0. 185rwhp. Average 1999+ GT. 220rwhp. I don't know where you're coming up with 225-230. Might want to check out a few more dyno pulls not made on a Mustang dyno that's been tampered with. The Bullitt isn't even dynoing 230. :rolleyes: Now. Take the 5.0 and bump the timing, remove the intake silencer. 200rwhp.

Weight of SD Mustang Coupe. 3000lbs. Weight of 99+ GT. 3250lbs. Now. Which one launches better? Lizard King is considered by many on this board to be an excellent driver, correct? His 60ft's are 2.1-2.2. An excellent driver can pull a 1.9-2.0 on street tires with the coupe 5.0. Now you've got a 4 tenth advantage for the 5.0 right off the bat. Plus, it's 250lbs lighter. It's only down 20rwhp. The 5.0 and the new GT can trap at the same mph, in fact, Lizard's 98-99 isn't even top form for a real strong running stock 5.0.

Check out these following sites. Some of you may have heard of Mr 5 0, the site administrator, who has personally witnessed a stock, not even broken in 87 LX run a 13.8 in the quarter just off the showroom floor.

http://members.tripod.com/tomak3/page9.html

http://www.corral.net/projects/deepf...eezemods1.html

For the non believers, I'm going to setup another run with the 87GT. This time it'll be the new 2002GT vs the 1987GT. Like I said earlier. Gloves are coming off, and I'm actually going to tune the 87 up and bump the timing on it for the first time ever. Any suggestions on shift points for the 2002? The 87 get's shifted at 5800rpm and traps 100+

Well,
I think this thread has been officially beat to death.

Good points made on both sides. Only thing that I think is funny is just what "stock" means to some folks... (on both sides of this issue) ;)

I think we can conclude that both engines are very capable, well made powerplants.

A good friend of mine once said:
"Stop flappin' your gums and show me a time slip..."

And the rest my friends, should be settled at the track...