drove 4.6 01 GT not impressed
 

drove an 01 4.6 GT convt and was not impressed
with the pwr. lag lag lag was the story.
this car has 34k on it - was it beat up? the
pwr did not come on hard .
my 95 5.0 5spd pulls much harder and the exhaust
note on this 01- ugly and ratty. Don't get me
wrong I worship the body style on the 01, but
I hope the 5spd pulls more - I haven't driven one
of those yet.

I drove a 99 GT 5 speed some time ago. I found very little difference between it and my 95 GT (with only cat back and K&N at the time). I could definately not tell it had 260HP to my 225. But I'm sure if I made some runs down the track the numbers would show themselves.

at high end only?
 

So what your're saying is that unless I push past 70 , then I
see no pwr diff?

No, just that when I test drove a 99 GT I didn't notice any real difference. However if I was at the track the 99 GT probably would have run a better time. The one thing that I did notice is that my 5.0 had more down low torque, (which I like) :cool:

When I drove a 99 GT I was definately not "Wow this car is way faster then mine", but with 260HP to 225 HP, and roughly equal weights, technically the 99 GT should be faster.

i had a 85 stang that i converted to a 89 lx look alike. Had aftermarket heads (vic jrs) edelbrock performer rpm intake edelbrock 750 cfm carb. headman long tube, hpipe (b/c in 85 it was a single pipe) flowmasters frpp 4.10's in a 8.8 rear 5spd. Anyway made tons of torque best time run 14.3 test drove 01 GT auto, at first impression my felt much faster b/c of the instant torque on the 5.0. Needless to say i needed a realiable car and took advantage of the 0.0% financing. End result stock trim with the 01 14.05 best run with auto. The difference in the power band messes with how fast the car feels.
As for the exhaust that was the first thing i ditched.

Re: drove 4.6 01 GT not impressed
 

Enough said!! You cant compare a 5 speed to an automatic when it comes to feeling brut power. Trust me, when you drive the 5 speed it will be a WORLD of difference!:D

I know that Manuals are a lot more fun to drive and what not, but I have constantly heard that Big scene drag racers use automatics in their sub 9 second drag cars? Is this true? Therefore is an AT better for drag?

Hmmm...I know my car is modded somewhat, but my 2000 GT lacks no bottom end what so ever. Its a 5spd, with stock gearing, and stock suspension, but I tell you what, there's no bog at all. Its down right torquey.

No offense to anyone here with a 99+ Auto, but with the auto's you dont quite get the feeling that you do with the 5 spd cars. Proof isnt in the "Feeling" thats gotten, proof is in the time slips, and the tail lights you either show people, or they show you.

From all the Auto 99+ GT's I've raced, they seem to start straining around 50-60 MPH.

If "Feeling" was an accurate portrayl of a cars speed, then my old 64 1/2 would be able to smoke FireHawks. :D

Trust me, pit a 99+ against your 5.0, you will be in a world of hurt.

Yeah I think it's been proven the SOTP (seat of the pants)evaluation is suspect at best.

The 4.6 is a different beast to say the least.

BS...A 5 speed Notch will hang with a 99+4.6 easy...

Um..Not to start a flame war, but I dont think so. If it does, it wont be easy, and its probably not anywhere near stock. That or the driver of the 99+ isnt quite up to snuff.

A 5-speed notch will hang with an auto vert easily. (run 14.5-14.6) There were a few freak LX's that ran very high 13's stock, but they were few and far between. Most 5-speed GT's will run high 13's easy with a decent driver.

yeah its true
 

yeah. a C-4 auto. that is what joe stewart runs. just more reliable, almost eliminates human error. it isnt as fun, but it won't miss gears. you know?

So I take it you people are of the opinion that 99+ 4.6 liter stangs all run low 14's stock. From what I have seen the average driver runs a 14.4....

87-88 5 speed, speed density notch back....I have seen one run a 14.1 stock @3000ft.

I ran a 14.59 @3000ft last year with a untouched stock engine in my vert...convert my time to sealevel and its about a 14.10.

I am not knocking the 4.6L stangs but lets not under estimate the fox body boys.

Anyways how many stock fox bodies actually race at the track?

Dont start with the ricer talk just cause a "couple" of guys have run 13's at a sealevel track doesnt mean you all can, and I know for a fact that most of you dont.

How many of you have ever even been to the track and did you run 13's ?

I would love to go to a sealevel track and race some of these 13 sec 4.6L stangs it would be cool as hell just to see that:D

I respect the 99+ 4.6 and love to race them, people hate losing to verts.
The modular cobras and LS1's spank my @ss all day but soon that to will change.

Later,

Dark 5.0, Next time your in jersey, my tracks 33 ft above sea level. :D

I am glad that you gave us some props. because i was gonna tell you to come out east and i would show you the smack down that a modular motor will lay on a 5.0. no flame intended. heck, i want a 5.0 to play with. i figure that a 351 could do a little something.

I respect the 99+ 4.6 and love to race them, people hate losing to verts.
The modular cobras and LS1's spank my @ss all day but soon that to will change.

Later, [/B][/QUOTE]

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You have a 5.4 liter modular stang with 400RWHP.....I think I read that somewhere.:confused:

To race you I would put on some slicks, spray a 150 shot and strip my car down to the frame :p

Bring it on baby!!!!:D

Later,

lemme think
 

i would say that... to race you, i would wake up. change my tires. fill my bottle play with my speed pro. go to the bank, take out 1000 bucks. and run you. any time. i will match your 150 shot. and, actually double it....hehehe... and lets say the 400. hmmm... i could get a little more than that outta my car. that is on motor, just what i play with all the time. on my street driving program. i'll run you though. where at? and what kinda money are we talking?it will be friendly of course. but i gotta pay for gas you know? 83# injectors eat it up quick.

to answer the questions.
 

you read it right, when i come to texas someday. we could line them up. or if you come out east. i will drive anywhere on the east coast. peace. oh, by the way. what does your car run with the slicks and 150 shot?

I havent tried it yet.......More than likely a 12.0-12.3.

I have the nitrous but no slicks yet waiting till payday.

No way I would bet money against a car that has 400 RWHP.

My car is still a work in progress I still need 24# injectors and fuel pump before I run my nitrous by the end of May I should have it all done and get some track times.

I never race for money that would take the fun out or it.

BTW! Please dont try and tell me that you are running 83# injectors on a Naturaly aspirated engine.

You must run low 9's to burn up that much fuel N/A....

Hmmmm....

Well, I was out test driving not too long ago. I drove a 95GT 5spd. Compared to my 87GT, it was a joke. Nothing past 4500rpm. Just plain nothing.

I bought a 2001 GT on Monday of last week. On the way home, I ran it vs my 87GT. From a 15mph roll the 87GT pulled it like nothing. I was in the 2001, and I did win the race, but it was looking real grim until my friend missed 2nd gear. The 5.0 with the Z spec 2.95:1 1st and 2.73:1 rear gears (not exactly a 1st gear car, LOL) pulled me by a car and was walking pretty good. I now have a 2002 GT due to undisclosed accident damage I found on the 01 the day after I bought it.

The fox 5.0's are no slouches when placed in the hands of a driver who knows what they are doing, and a lot of the new GT owners seem to have a pretty good sized ego. I know what the white 87GT in my driveway can do, and it was enough to put more than 1 LS1 into it's place, and it was well more than enough to put that 2001 GT into it's place.

Damn right I have an ego. And with good reason. When your record is 50+ wins and 5 losses, (to damn fast cars). You'll get one. Also, it does seem funny that almost everyone on here beats most of the other cars they come into contact with. for example, my GT even runs well with the LS1's Ive come into contact with so far. Something doesn't add up. I think somewhere out there are a bunch of "non-posters" who are losing most of the races they get involved with.


Oh yeah, they're called ricers. lol :D

Oh, also, Unit, throw some gears, an H-pipe, and some drag radials on that new GT, and you'll have an ego real quick...

Have fun with the new ride!

I have a 01 GT 5spd and i race often at the LA county raceway. its at 2900ft. I have raced plenty of stangs there, including a 1995 Cobra 5spd with mass air, cat back exhaust, and a throttle body. I was stock, and i smoked him! he ran a 14.90 and i ran a 14.45 And to top it off, he said that 14.9 was one of his better times! Ive also seen many other stangs up against eachother, and as far as stock goes, the 99ups are consistently faster. Of course theres lots of souped up, blown, ported, roll caged, squeezing beasts running 11, 10, 9, etc... but as far as "mostly stock" stangs go, the 99 ups are the fastest ive seen at the drag strip. period. and these are all serious enthusiasts who know their stangs and how to drag.


I also once raced an 89 fastback 5.0 up laurel canyon from sunset blvd. We were swerving and screaming up and down the canyon insanely! i think he was stock and i know i was. Each time we got our noses lined up, i would pull on him. He was solo, and i had my girl with me. He may have been auto, but his 5.0 seemed more like a 5-point-slow. I always kept him behind me...the 99ups are just faster.

I drove a WRX 5spd and the "feel" of the car feels faster than the GT, but at the track i get better times than a WRX. feeling is different than true speed. the 4.6 is just better...and isnt ford coming out with a modular block that is bored out to 5 liters? the mods are just more modern.

I think I probably have a record of 20-3 against the 99+4.6. 99+ cobra's own my ***, but there are some 96 cobras that are slow I thought they had 300 HPand some of them are running 14.6 :confused:

On the other hand I am about 3-15 against LS1's

Im not taking bout street kills.....To "me" only track kills count cause you cant cheat the tree or the clock.

On some of my 4.6 kills they actually ran a better ET than me but I killed them on reaction time and beat them to the end.

Hell I guess I just like to race:D Win or lose...

Later,

Blue01GT : there's no feel to it. Unit raced his 87 GT against his former 01 GT. The 87 was pulling him until his friend missed second.

I can't help it the 95 Cobra driver was a bad driver.

I dont know about where you live but i have yet to see a stock 99+ cobras run anything quicker than a 13.5 at the track (and im there atleast once a week). I have see plenty of stock 99+ GTs 13.7-13.8 range. The GTs launch so much harder because of the solid axle.

NOT trying to start a flame just sharing my experiences. On the road from a roll I have had my *** handed to me several times by 99+ cobras, but the track is a different story. I can usually pull a half a car before they hook. I try to always race cobras at the track. Thats how I test and tune. That is the next goal, be as fast as a stock cobra. Once that is achieved I will go for a modded cobra and so on.

There a 3 or 4 99+ cobras that race at my track and they are not stock they all run 12s. I will have to spray to be able to compete with those.

I usually take the 4.6 GT's off the line and they start pulling on me towards the end.

My brothers friend has a 96' mistic cobra we all thought it would be fast...I rode in it and it felt faster than my car, but when we raced at the track I smoked him...I think he must not be able to drive all that well cause I think a 300HP car should be faster than a 14.6:confused:

When the 04' stangs come out I will get one, and then we will see if I develope an "EGO"

Later,

Dark 5.0 I know that this seems like a bashing session on 5.0's but I sold my 89 lx hatch for my 01. It was my first project car. Carbed '85 motor edelbrock carb 750cfm, edelbrock performer rpm intake, vic jr heads, headman longtubes, msd ignition, 4.10's, build t-5, 1.7 rr, f303 cam, i couldnt even break into 13's. I parted out the motor(gotta love ebay) and bought a crate 351w, same carb, shorty headers, high flow H, 100 shot, First pass out 13.1@105mph.
The moral of the story, aside from the freak 5.0's, it took work to get into the 13's. The "ego" that the 4.6 guys have is, it takes little to no work to get a 99+ into the high 13's. The "ego" is their stock car is keeping with or beating their modded 5.0 counterparts.
Its gonna be the same as the guys in the 2003 cobras running stock vettes they will start to kick the vettes *** and start to develop that "ego"

If you couldn't break into the 13's with that combo you either can't drive or it was put together when you were drunk!!!

The doesn't take a lot to get a fox into the 13's

• tireburner163
• DARK5.0
and
• UNIT

THERE IS NO WAY STOCK FOR STOCK THAT 5.0 CAN OUT RUN 99+ GT (DRIVERS BEING MATCHED).

None. No way. Even with the freak 5.0 factor.

I'll put an exaust (prochamber with flowmaster mufflers) and power pulleys. Watch me for less than $650US in mods I will run LOW 13s. Try and do that with a 5.0.

GTSR515 & Yan88GT both run 12.8's in pretty much stock stangs on slicks.

Look at some of the times at "the user rides" for 87-88 5 speed notch backs.

You may be right tha t if both drivers are matched the 4.6 will always beat the 5.0 stock vs. stock......As we well know all drivers are not equal.

Later,

Like I said... there is no way stock for stock a 5.0 can keep up to a 99+ GT drivers being equal. The 99GT+ is the fastest stock GT ever produced ... Ford said it them selves.

Oh and 12.8 with just slicks on a 5.0???? Yeah ok. I think you are forgetting some mods here, cuz those would have to be some pretty sick slicks... what do you do? Run a 1.4 60ft?

All I gatta say is bring it.

My 87GT owned my 01GT. I raced them, side by side. I took the jump and I was in the 01 with a good fender lead at the time. By the time my friend was shifting out of 1st gear (blew 2nd), he had 1/2 car on me. Even an LS1 wouldn't have been able to close the pull and the gap he was putting on me.

Lizard, sorry, but you lose. You can say no way, no way, no way. I say yes way, and have seen it done with my two cars side by side. Although my friend missed 2nd gear, abruptly ending his chances to win outright, the scope of how he pulled me cannot be ignored. Just wasn't used to my clutch, or it would have been a 3+ car massacre from 15-80. Since I haven't sold the 87 yet, I will try to get a rematch vs my 2002. Rest assured, I will not pull any punches on the race, for either car. The 87 will be prepped to run for the first time, ever. I might even bump the timing on the thing past factory 10*.

There are STOCK engined 87-88 SD Mustang 5.0's running 12.80's. Stock intake, stock cam, stock heads. Intake spacer, CAI, gears, slicks, headers, H, and exhaust. Mr 5 0 has personally witnessed a stock SD LX run a 13.8 right in front of his eyes. With the mondo 2.73:1 rear gears, or even the optional 3.08's (w/5spd), it's hard to get a good hole shot out of the 5.0's. Coupe 5oh is running mid 13's with a nearly stock ex patrol coupe. He does have 3.27 gears and exhaust mods. That's down south, where the air isn't anything like up here. Trust me. I've been there, and I've been here in MN. The difference is very noticable.

Jeez... I will give the 4.6L more credit than that. Hey, but if you say so. I guess the 99+ can't keep up with the stock 5.0.

Unit ... YOU LOOSE. The facts are in general a 5.0 will be beaten by a 99+GT when both stock.

You can come up with all the grandma stories you want... it is the truth. It is as well a fact that there are not to many STOCK 5.0s out there anymore... and there are not to many in Ottawa that can touch me at this point.

So instead of talking about exceptions why don't you admit it. STOCK FOR STOCK a 4.6 99+GT IS FASTER THAN A 5.0.

Well, I hate to throw fuel on the fire for this debate, but today at the 5.0 Civil wars, I saw alot of modified Fox Body 5.0's go down to stock 4.6's.

There was a stock....100% stock Bullit running 13.61 at 101 MPH consitantly. We went and talked to the guy, Bone Stock..First time driving that car at the track..also with street tires on it.

I will conceed that 99% of the time a 5 speed 4.6 will take a stock fox stock vs. stock

But ill be damned if a stock 4.6 should beat a mildly moded (gears ,exhaust) 5.0 with a good driver, I am sure it happens often but I think that is more driver error than 4.6 superiority.

I always get a kick out of the guys that come to the track in there new GT's for the first time.....They automaticly start saying how they have a 13 second car, stock.....And attract the attention of the LS1 guys who repeatidly smoke there @ss on camera and post it in the LS1 forums.

Most 5.0's are not stock.......And I have noticed that most 4.6 drivers keep there cars basicly stock.....

The fact remains that the 5.0 is still king of the strip and the only cars that come close to the level of dominance that the 5.0 has enjoyed for over a decade is the LS1.

The stock vs. stock arguement is not worth having cause not many people race "stock" cars at the track. I admire the guys that do run fast times in stock cars.Unfortunately my car was a turd in stock form 15.2 @88:eek: and after thousands of dollars I will probably run a mid 13 on slicks @3000ft.

So for those of you that do run in the 13's stock Congrats!!!:cool:

Later,

Dark, you make a nice point. Not to many 5.0s are stock anymore... and yes with an exaust and gears, they should hand our asses.

One of my buddies with a mint 5.0 (only 35K miles on it) runs pulleys, mufflers (not complete exaust) cold air and a set of 3.55s.
He ran today a best 13.8 at our track. It wasn't VHTed, hence fairly sliperry so his times where not the best, but I think he is good for a solid 13.6... Anyways I raced him tonight and he cleaned my clock by about a car lenght.

I know that you have conceeded your point DARK, but for Unit, the fact remains that a stock 225HP 5.0 and a stock 260HP 4.6 (2nd Gen) are not matched.

On another hand, with the Exaust I am putting on and pulleys I hope to pull some low 13s (13.1-13.2) ... so should be able to compete directly against the GM LS1 boys. Imagine if I throw some 3.73s and slicks...!!!! WOW!

Don't know what your trying to point out, Lizard. I don't think you have a leg to stand on. I raced the 87 vs the 01. The 87 pulled the 01. The 87 will trap 100mph+ The 01 cannot stop a car that traps 100+ from pulling, then reel it back in and pass it before the end of the quarter.

My 1987 Mustang GT Hatchback with 160,000 miles.

flex fan
removed silencer
K&N (dirty)
15k since last tuneup
10* initial timing
Splitfire wires
2.5" BBK cat H pipe
2.5" dynomax catback
2.95:1 T-5z first gear (worse than stock 3.35:1)
2.73:1 rear end ratio

Last I checked, that was pretty stock. No gears, no slicks, no engine modification whatsoever, no N20, no forced induction, no intake, no headers, no electric fan, no underdrives.

I'm sorry your ego is bruised. Sorry my rusty but trusty 15yr old 160,000mi car pulled on my shiny new car that's supposed to be faster. If you want to think happy thoughts, my 01 did win the race once my friend missed 2nd. :D

Mercury, you're not throwing any fuel on the fire as far as I'm concerned. I'm debating Lizard's disrespectful, uninformed statements regarding NO stock or near stock 5.0 can hang with a 99+GT. Mine did. End of story. Will it happen in general, car to car? Nope. Most 5.0's are mid 14 cars, and a new GT should beat them. A good stock 5.0 will dyno at near 230hp (converted to crank hp). An early Fox is about 200lbs lighter than a 99+. That puts them into an awfully close power to weight ratio when any light mods are made. 225hp is the stock rating. Removing the intake silencer and bumping the timing is worth 10hp+ on a 5.0. Add a set of underdrives, a K&N and you'll be sitting around 245hp+. All the sudden a very lightly modded 5.0 is 200lbs lighter, with only a 15hp or less difference between the two cars, assuming the car isn't a freak.

You can't walk up to a dead guy and tell him he can't die. Then insist to everybody there that since he can't die, he must not be dead.

5.0 vs 4.6
 

#1 Post YEA!

Unit does have some points, comparing the 4.6 to the 5.0 is a very wide range of mustangs, a 93 AOD GT Vert will not run what some of the lighter, cheaper coupes will.

Likewise, that new Bullitt wont run what a 99 Auto Vert will.

these ranges are so large that, when the cars condition's (mileage, etc) are factored in that it is a push, with mabye a little going to the new GT.

Congrats in 10 years the mustang got a little faster STOCK VS STOCK.

Start throwing parts on and you will not see the same gains that the 5.0s will, and start adding non motor parts to the 5.0, (eg: gears, slicks,the like) and the 5.0 will run very close, if not, the 12s,not the 13s.

If you want a fox to compare look no further than Bob Cosby's 88 SD Coupe. All $12,500 it cost NEW. He kept impeckable records from when he started racing the car, when it was new. Take a look.

http://members.cox.net/bobcosby/stang/

haha
 

unit who is driving the 4.6? whoever it may be needs to learn to drive because that just is not gonna happen with equaly matched drivers.... are u pulling out in second? hehe....

peace

WHY CAN"T WE JUST ALL GET ALONG?!?!

Unit ... all I can say is return that new shiny 2001 GT;

1. It's abnormaly slow. :eek:
2. The driver is not capable of driving it properly. :eek:
3. That old 87GT rust bucket (as you refer to it) is just a WAY better car. You know, it puts my "bruised" ego to shame. :rolleyes:

Your argument about the NOTCH being a solid 200lbs lighter is bogus since you also forgot to mention that the stock gears in the newer stangs are better (3.27 vs 2.73).

I love it when you say that your "stock" 87 which has an exaust is stock. If I put a similar exaust I am looking at 20HP more at the wheels. Which should put you back another car and a half.

K. i'm done. My mighty 4.6L EGO has had enough for today.

:rolleyes:

Oh we can. This is just a bit of shiat talk ... nothing personal. You know when you open the can of worms with Unit, you get the full story!!! :D

well how about the dyno numbers get added to this dispute.

87-93 lx sedan stock stang 180-190 wrhp
250-260 wrtq


99-2002 gt stock 225-230 wrhp
280-290 wrtq


A BONE STOCK 87-93 STANG WILL NOT BEAT A 99-2002 GT

PERFESSIONAL DRIVER FOR 1/4 MILE WILL PULL A 14.2-14.0 WITH 87-93 LX ON STREET TIRES. BONE STOCK!

IN A 99-2002 GT 13.7-13.6 ON STREET TIRES. BONE STOCK!

SO THE NUMBERS SPEAK FOR THEM SELVES.

But the whole truth is IT comes down to the driver!!! Plus if you think that an 87 gt makes power the same way as a 99-2002 gt well your wrong!. 87-93 stock stangs make most of their power up to 5000 rpm, where newer stang make it in the higher rpm. So if your racing a newer stang for the first time against an older stang, more than likely your going to lose.


Ian

Man you're still high eh?
Near stock Stangs running 12.8's?

That's funny because my friend "LT1 Z28" has an 89 'Notch with a 12LBS Vortech along with a whole lot of other stuff (FAR FROM STOCK) and runs 12.5s.

Your credibility is now 0.

A factory freak 5.0 will run.. maybe 13.9's. To run 12's you need to put down 350HP at the wheel. No near stock Fox does.

The new GT's are not only faster but they can beat a car that is 400+ pounds less! A stock 4.6 vs. a mildly modded 5.0 will win every time. A lot of 5.0 guys refuse to believe our heavy cars with 'wussy' 4.6 will run 13's out of the box with ease. My friend in high school has an '87 GT (Speed density) w/ 5-speed, O/R pipes, and flows. Against my car (see sig. My car is not very fast) he can barely beat me and his car makes more power, it's a 5-speed, and it's way lighter. But, now he has 3.73's and will definitley smoke me. But when I get my 4.10's in a few weeks the party is over for him!:D

It is common to see fox bodies with Gears, exhaust a good tune and a 1.5-1.6 60ft on slicks run high 12's. When I said stock I meant stock engine.

I am really hurt to know that in your eyes my credibility is "0":(
but, i am sure ill get over it:rolleyes:

BTW, anyone running 12#'s of boost and only a 12.5.......Should keep that to there self cause its not impressive.

Im always high...High on life my friend. :cool:

Thanks for caring,
Later...