The Great Debate - Page 3

Freddie · 05-08-2002, 10:37 AM

Why anyone would want the antique manual transmission in a modern computerized car is beyond me.

wade73 · 05-08-2002, 01:14 PM

one word: FUN

wjfawb0 · 05-08-2002, 09:39 PM

Hey all, I just bought my first Mustang. I have wanted one for a long time. Now I got the job and money so I did it. I bought a 2002 GT Coupe. I had the paper work filled out and was ready to sign on the dotted line for the auto when I thought, "stop...the oracle said this would happen...I have to make a choice..." so I said hold on buddy, lets go with the 5 speed. I am glad. In my old auto truck I had before, I hated not having control over the gears. I am glad I bought the 5speed. For around town driving and street fun, I love the 5 speed.

My cousin has two mustangs. An auto 91 hatchback with transmission works galore and a 331 or 332(can't 'member) cubic inch block with a centrifugal blower that should runs 10 second quarters. Ran 11.2 seconds with only 6lbs of boost last weekend. He also has a 1985 mustang, 5 speed, 5.0 with work, CARBURETOR that he uses as his daily driver. It eats tires and is fun to run the streets in.

I like my cousins setup, race the auto for E.T. and serious street draggin'. Run the standard for fun. I don't plan on draggin myself. I just want to put an intercooled ATI procharger on mine so I have to rotate the tires every 1,000 miles and replace them every 10,000 miles. Ha ha... Well, I got a lot to learn. You all keep posting so I can have more fun with my new Mustang. Have a good one everybody.

Los · 05-08-2002, 10:06 PM

Sure autos are nice,
but the Ford autos kinda suck.
I had an AOD in a 98 v6 and yeah,
I would beat just about anything with the approximate engine size, other than an Extreme, but it gets boring...
Long highway drives from Lawton Oklahoma to Galveston Texas... 500 miles... gets boring in an auto.
Plus,
from a street racer's point,
autos are easier to drive while the almighty stick demands accurate shifting or the great grinding.
I can tell you missing a speedshift sucks.
I've lost many a races due to misshifting..
But I've only been driving a stick for 9 or so months...

**** the autos.
Get a stick.

But no bashing intended.

Sonics2042 · 05-09-2002, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Los

**** the autos.
Get a stick.

Damn straight

. That's what I am doing. I am in the process of converting to a T5. Only big thing left to buy is the bellhousing

.

Yay.

Thanks,
DoranW

98SteedaGT · 05-10-2002, 12:26 PM

Well, having a V6 mustang was the problem, not the auto trans.... The V6 makes no power unless you go forced induction on it..... Ford and Chevy should never have made V6 versions of Mustang/Camaro/Firebird, why buy a V6 sports car like this.... It would be like buying a 4cyl Viper. You can have your 5spds, I will keep my 4R70W... As for them sucking, they don't... I had a T700 Auto in my truck(Chevy). That truck had a 420HP/420TQ Corvette Roller Engine, and all kinds of other goodies.... I could never keep the tranny in it, I kept blowing it into pieces....little pieces. Every 5spd mustang I know of in this area, has one problem.... broken gears, broken synchros, broken tranny... I have helped one guy put in 5- Tremec 5spds over the course of 2 yrs..... I have yet to break my auto, and believe me, I put it through hell..... It's factory and has 90K miles on it, and hasn't so much as slipped wrong yet......... So, obviously, autos don't suck.....(niether do 5spds)

98SteedaGT · 05-10-2002, 12:29 PM

---Forgot to add this--

What I was getting at with the Auto in my truck was... It was a Chevy Auto, and all I had were problems, My Ford 4R70W has never given me any problems......

---sorry, forgot to post it....

Sonics2042 · 05-10-2002, 12:30 PM

Although I am dying for my T5, my AOD has been really reliable. 112k and no signs of anything being on its way out. I am not THAT hard on it though. And the previous owner was a middle-aged lady

.

WTF was the deal with the 5-tremec guy? Making tons of power, or just retarded?

Thanks,
DoranW

98SteedaGT · 05-10-2002, 12:37 PM

I think he had gremlins in the tranny.... or in the head... I know the first one was done on purpose... The tech from Tremec that sold it to him made the mistake of saying "You can't break this transmisson" ----so the wrong thing to say..... Well, about a week of 5000 RPM 2nd Gear dumps from a dead stop, and roasting the tires bald, and that first tranny was a very expensive, very heavy boat anchor.... As for the others, one was annhiliated at the track, one on the street, one was just junk (bad build), and the other met it's fate at the hands of a noob driver...... RIP Tremecs, you paid the ultimate price cause of reckless driving.

SLOW 97 · 05-13-2002, 08:45 AM

Those of you who say that all autos are slusbox's haven't experienced the 4R70W. This is the hardest shifting auto I've driven and it is very good at putting power to the ground.

96GTPRT · 06-05-2002, 12:09 PM

The 4R70W really isnt that bad. I don't know if it shifts that hard but I was able to get the tires to chirp once on the 1-2 shift, and that was with out a shift kit and going through the gears manually. I havent ever been able to do it again but oh well. Overall though, I'd rather have a 5 or 6-speed anyday. Its just so much fun an the only manuals I've ever driven was a Jeep and my friends Civic SI...I can only imagine how much fun it would be in a Mustang.

Unit 5302 · 06-07-2002, 08:08 PM

Don't know if the 4R70W is junk or not. Stock Mustang's are still losing 1/2 sec in the 1/4 mile with the auto. GM's auto's perform nearly the same as their 6spds.

Until Ford releases an auto that performs near the stick, and it reliable to boot, it's an obvious choice.

Stroked408 · 06-12-2002, 08:59 PM

Bracket Racing: I would run an auto for consistency

Heads up Racing:manual fun factor only reason

Turbo99GT · 06-12-2002, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unit 5302
Don't know if the 4R70W is junk or not. Stock Mustang's are still losing 1/2 sec in the 1/4 mile with the auto. GM's auto's perform nearly the same as their 6spds.

Until Ford releases an auto that performs near the stick, and it reliable to boot, it's an obvious choice.

The T-45 is terrible and not even in the same league as the 4R70W. I know for a fact that the 4R70W isn't junk because I went 10s on mine and Lidio Lacabelli made several 9 sec. passes with his. The only reason the GM autos perform so well is because the 6 speeds have crappy ratios. 2.66 lst vs 3.06 in the auto is not even close. With Ford autos it's the opposite. 3.35:1 1st(manual) vs 2.84:1(auto). It's important that we look at all of the factors and not just pieces. I have seen the inside of the 4R70W and it is quite stout. I rebuilt mine to handle over 800 hp & 700 lb-ft. You will need to spend atleast $3,000+ to put a streetable manual that can handle near that amount. I spent less than 1/2 that amount.

xxxBlakexxx · 10-22-2003, 09:59 PM

It is only cool to drive an auto if you know how to drive a stick!

05-08-2002, 10:37 AM	#31 (permalink)
Freddie Quickest STOCK MOD Auto Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Chesterfield County, VA, USA Posts: 61	Why anyone would want the antique manual transmission in a modern computerized car is beyond me. __________________ M/M #411 13.90@98.36 2.03 60ft 3500lb race weight Silver 2001GT 4R70W auto K&N Silencer removed Magnaflow Mufflers Motorsports cc breather

05-08-2002, 01:14 PM	#32 (permalink)
wade73 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mobile, Al Posts: 108	one word: FUN __________________ 98 GT - Usual "Get in, sit down, shut up and HANG ON"

05-08-2002, 09:39 PM	#33 (permalink)
wjfawb0 Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 24	Manual fun... Hey all, I just bought my first Mustang. I have wanted one for a long time. Now I got the job and money so I did it. I bought a 2002 GT Coupe. I had the paper work filled out and was ready to sign on the dotted line for the auto when I thought, "stop...the oracle said this would happen...I have to make a choice..." so I said hold on buddy, lets go with the 5 speed. I am glad. In my old auto truck I had before, I hated not having control over the gears. I am glad I bought the 5speed. For around town driving and street fun, I love the 5 speed. My cousin has two mustangs. An auto 91 hatchback with transmission works galore and a 331 or 332(can't 'member) cubic inch block with a centrifugal blower that should runs 10 second quarters. Ran 11.2 seconds with only 6lbs of boost last weekend. He also has a 1985 mustang, 5 speed, 5.0 with work, CARBURETOR that he uses as his daily driver. It eats tires and is fun to run the streets in. I like my cousins setup, race the auto for E.T. and serious street draggin'. Run the standard for fun. I don't plan on draggin myself. I just want to put an intercooled ATI procharger on mine so I have to rotate the tires every 1,000 miles and replace them every 10,000 miles. Ha ha... Well, I got a lot to learn. You all keep posting so I can have more fun with my new Mustang. Have a good one everybody. __________________ 2003 DSG Cobra 455rwhp 462rwtq

05-08-2002, 10:06 PM	#34 (permalink)
Los Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Lawton, OK Posts: 56	Sure autos are nice, but the Ford autos kinda suck. I had an AOD in a 98 v6 and yeah, I would beat just about anything with the approximate engine size, other than an Extreme, but it gets boring... Long highway drives from Lawton Oklahoma to Galveston Texas... 500 miles... gets boring in an auto. Plus, from a street racer's point, autos are easier to drive while the almighty stick demands accurate shifting or the great grinding. I can tell you missing a speedshift sucks. I've lost many a races due to misshifting.. But I've only been driving a stick for 9 or so months... **** the autos. Get a stick. But no bashing intended. __________________ Los If you want speed, buy a Civic. http://www.bullittzero.com/TRS3/index.php3

05-10-2002, 12:26 PM	#36 (permalink)
98SteedaGT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 330	Well, having a V6 mustang was the problem, not the auto trans.... The V6 makes no power unless you go forced induction on it..... Ford and Chevy should never have made V6 versions of Mustang/Camaro/Firebird, why buy a V6 sports car like this.... It would be like buying a 4cyl Viper. You can have your 5spds, I will keep my 4R70W... As for them sucking, they don't... I had a T700 Auto in my truck(Chevy). That truck had a 420HP/420TQ Corvette Roller Engine, and all kinds of other goodies.... I could never keep the tranny in it, I kept blowing it into pieces....little pieces. Every 5spd mustang I know of in this area, has one problem.... broken gears, broken synchros, broken tranny... I have helped one guy put in 5- Tremec 5spds over the course of 2 yrs..... I have yet to break my auto, and believe me, I put it through hell..... It's factory and has 90K miles on it, and hasn't so much as slipped wrong yet......... So, obviously, autos don't suck.....(niether do 5spds) __________________ // 1998 GT-Steeda Conversion \\ -- Sold // Now own 2001 F-150 SuperCrew 5.4L \\

05-10-2002, 12:29 PM	#37 (permalink)
98SteedaGT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 330	---Forgot to add this-- What I was getting at with the Auto in my truck was... It was a Chevy Auto, and all I had were problems, My Ford 4R70W has never given me any problems...... ---sorry, forgot to post it.... __________________ // 1998 GT-Steeda Conversion \\ -- Sold // Now own 2001 F-150 SuperCrew 5.4L \\

05-10-2002, 12:30 PM	#38 (permalink)
Sonics2042 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 381	Although I am dying for my T5, my AOD has been really reliable. 112k and no signs of anything being on its way out. I am not THAT hard on it though. And the previous owner was a middle-aged lady . WTF was the deal with the 5-tremec guy? Making tons of power, or just retarded? Thanks, DoranW __________________ What I have: 1990 Red Mustang 5.0 LX: [BBK X-Pipe]-[MAC Cat-Back Exhaust] [MAC Cold Air Intake]-[BBK Equal Shorties] [3.55 Gears]-[Cobra Intake Manifold (Upper and Lower] [E-303 Cam]-[Granetelli Mass Air Flow Sensor] [Front and rear sway bars]-[New black carpet and seats.] [Adjustable Fuel Regulator]-[T5 Conversion w/ K. Cobra Clutch/Hurst STS] [Cobra Throttle Body]-[130A Alt. Conversion] Thinking about: Aftermarket Heads! Vortech A-Trim

05-10-2002, 12:37 PM	#39 (permalink)
98SteedaGT Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 330	I think he had gremlins in the tranny.... or in the head... I know the first one was done on purpose... The tech from Tremec that sold it to him made the mistake of saying "You can't break this transmisson" ----so the wrong thing to say..... Well, about a week of 5000 RPM 2nd Gear dumps from a dead stop, and roasting the tires bald, and that first tranny was a very expensive, very heavy boat anchor.... As for the others, one was annhiliated at the track, one on the street, one was just junk (bad build), and the other met it's fate at the hands of a noob driver...... RIP Tremecs, you paid the ultimate price cause of reckless driving. __________________ // 1998 GT-Steeda Conversion \\ -- Sold // Now own 2001 F-150 SuperCrew 5.4L \\

05-13-2002, 08:45 AM	#40 (permalink)
SLOW 97 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Arlington Heights,IL Posts: 231	Those of you who say that all autos are slusbox's haven't experienced the 4R70W. This is the hardest shifting auto I've driven and it is very good at putting power to the ground. __________________ '97 Laser Red GT Coupe Stock 2V (Pulled Silencer) 4R70W Automatic Ripped off a BLISTERING 15.37@90MPH With a 2.21 60ft Just Installed- K&N Air Filter Coming Soon...... -4.10's -Flowmaster A/T or Magnapack Cat-Back

06-05-2002, 12:09 PM	#41 (permalink)
96GTPRT Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 69	The 4R70W really isnt that bad. I don't know if it shifts that hard but I was able to get the tires to chirp once on the 1-2 shift, and that was with out a shift kit and going through the gears manually. I havent ever been able to do it again but oh well. Overall though, I'd rather have a 5 or 6-speed anyday. Its just so much fun an the only manuals I've ever driven was a Jeep and my friends Civic SI...I can only imagine how much fun it would be in a Mustang. __________________ 96GTPRT: '96 Laser Red Tinted Mustang GT Convertible. (tan top). Flowmaster cat-back, Bassani X-pipe w/ cats, K&N FIPK, Hypertech 160* t-stat, MSD wires, Bosch plugs, Performance Distributors coil packs, FRPP 70mm throttle body, C&L 87mm mass air. Kenny Brown Super subs, 3.73's, BFGoodrich Comp T/A's Civic...its whats for dinner. Don't ever pull a ricer fly-by!

06-07-2002, 08:08 PM	#42 (permalink)
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,231	Don't know if the 4R70W is junk or not. Stock Mustang's are still losing 1/2 sec in the 1/4 mile with the auto. GM's auto's perform nearly the same as their 6spds. Until Ford releases an auto that performs near the stick, and it reliable to boot, it's an obvious choice.

06-12-2002, 08:59 PM	#43 (permalink)
Stroked408 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southwest Posts: 131	manual Bracket Racing: I would run an auto for consistency Heads up Racing:manual fun factor only reason __________________ Deeper,Harder,Faster Stage Deeper Launch Harder Go Faster

10-22-2003, 09:59 PM	#45 (permalink)
xxxBlakexxx Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mountaintop, PA Posts: 634	It is only cool to drive an auto if you know how to drive a stick! __________________ "Children should not get cancer, but they do!" Help a child with cancer at www.homeoftheirown.org My Stang: 2000 Mustang GT Vert - Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter; C&L Plenum; BBK 75 mm TB; Steeda Strut Tower Supports; Black "Deep Dish" Bullet Wheels; FRPP 4.10's; Steeda Subframes; SLP Catback & SLP Catted X-Pipe; SCT 4 Position Chip with 3 custom tunes; Steeda CAI; Venom-1000 Nitrous; Roush Stage 3 Body Kit; Bullet Suspension Package (on the way)

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