Laws on Offroad H/X pipes
 

Does anyone know what the laws are regarding installing an offroad pipe on a car? I want to go with an offroad X or H pipe on my car, but I would like to know if I am breaking the law to have it on a daily driver. I live in Georgia and talk to guys all the time with offroad pipes, but they don't know if it is legal or not.

if you have regular emmisions testing then you probably shouldnt get one. and on a daily driver, when was the last time you got a ticket and the cop got on his knees to check if you had cats? i wish a pig would get on his knees while giving me a ticket.

I actually live in a county where we don't need to get tested each year. I agree with you- I would like to see a cop on his knees before he gave me a ticket. I would gladly pay for that!!

the best way to not get help on the legality of a part by a cop is to be a d!** to them in your post.

I didn't realize that I was a d!** on my post!! Maybe you could clarify what it was that bothered you. If it is that you are a cop, maybe you should get a sense of humor!!!! This board is full of sarcastic comments.

I asked for a sense of humor for christmas--I'll let you know tomorrow. It was more the pig comment. Shoulda been more specific.

Any change to the stock exhaust emmision system in any way is a violation of Ga law. An officer can do a roadside visual inspection, whether you have yearly inspections or not, and write a citation and tow your vehicle. The code section is 40-8-130.

Do most officers know this? no, But you would be amazed at how many of us have mustangs or other musclecars and could spend all day ticketing and towing modified vehicles. Its pretty easy to tell if a car has cats when it passes you.

Then again, we appreciate nice cars and try not to bust nads too much as long as the driver is not a flaming ******.

If we did we would stake out Barrett parkway and the other hot spots and go "hog" wild. (I think the sense of humor is starting to take effect---slowly)

Thank you very much for the information. I will use it when making my decision. How much is the fine if you are ticketed in GA? You also said that the car could be towed. How often does this actually happen? As for the "pig" comment. That was not in my post. I can see that you got an early xmas present. I definitely detect some humor in your last post!!! Hope you have a Merry Christmas!!!

The fine varies depending on the jurisdiction. I have personally never written this ticket. Officers rarely know the amount of the fine because once the ticket leaves our hands we don't have anything to do with it unless it goes to court. Even then the judge has discretion on fine amounts and surcharges.

Towing is about $ 70 or so.

It is the officers discretion on towing the car in a situation like that. The drivers attitude can play a big part in the decision (as with most traffic related citations).

The most common reasons for having a vehicle towed are arrest of the driver, undrivable vehicle due to wreck, abandoned/burned vehicle and a vehicle used in a crime that needs to be processed for fingerprints, etc.

Rarely is a vehicle towed due to a a violation of emmisions equiptment but it has happened. I don't know how much of an improvement you will notice between an off road pipe and a pipe with high flow cats. I know the offroad pipe is way cheaper though. I put in a catted h-pipe and there was a definite small improvement and it sounds way better with the 2 chamber flowmasters.

being ex-military its not cool to dog the police,i fought in a war and was in beirut also, but my point is-the police are at war everyday they go to work,yes i have been given ticket's but am not bitter about it,they were just doing thier job &i was wrong,no im not kissing up i dont even live in ga. but i do respect the law. they are the good guy's.:)

I have alot of respect for police officers. I was thinking of becoming one. I know that there are hefty federal fines for removing your cats. My 2000 GT doesnt have any. I choose an off-road system because of the cost. I've had people tell me I should burn in hell for taking the cats of my car. I wont get into that. THats worth a whole thread right there.

I have friends that are employed by one Law enforcement agency or another, and none of them have written a ticket concerning lack of emissions equipment.

I know this sounds bad, but even if you live in a county or state where sniffer testing is mandatory, there are ways to beat the system. In that case, its not what you know, its who you know.

I was just recently pulled over for loud exhaust in Central Minnesota where I live. The sheriff was a nice guy about it and didn't look if I had any cat's. I shut the car off right when I pulled over since I have side-exit exhaust and I am sure he woulda smelt the exhaust and probably guessed I had no cat's. He said to quiet down and drive safely. I know its illegal to remove your cat's in Minnesota, but no one I have ever known has been ticketed.

Thanks a lot! I am still not sure which way I will go. How much difference is there in the sound of a X pipe with cats and one without? Also, is there any noticable performance difference?

I was told an X pipe will give you more power in the middle-to-upper RPM's and will give a more exotic sound. H-pipe's will give you more power down low, and give more of a muscle sound. The difference in HP is like 3 HP's or something? I got the H pipe for the sound, and boy, does it sound good! Almost like my car is outta the 60's! :D

The 4.6 GT's (Especially 99+) sound mean and bad a$$ with just 40 series Flowmasters, but then add an Off-Road H-pipe, and OH MAN ITS AWESOME SOUNDING. Not sure if people that are next to you when you start accelerating will appreciate it though. :D

yes off road x or h pipes are elligal
 

but a regular x pipe is legal in your state.

a regular x pipe is illegal in california were i live.



MERCURY
I have a friend that has a 98 5 speed gt
with 2 chamber flowmasters and a a off road H pipe .

and trust me it sounds bad as f#$% it sound like a dragster

last time I raced him on the freeway and he took of and he was so way ahead of me and I could still hear him that loud his car is espesially wen his stoped it rumbles real nice:cool:

Not to flame anybody but....tampering or removing cats from any originally equipped vehicle is illegal (federal emissions)...there are some grey areas that allow you replace cats 1. factory defect 2. 50,000 miles on the ticker and cats are found to be malfunctioning 3. accident has damaged cats beyond their function.

The fine if found guilty...$50,000 believe it or not, it falls under the emissions act under federal law.

On a lighter note, local laws also adhere to Federal guidlines but have lesser penalties, usually a fine and equipment repair order. The federal charge is not implied unless your found to have a substantial impact on the environment ( a shop that practices gutting cats...etc)

I would'nt suggest an O/R, it's not worth the hassle...with cats you might have an excuse (see above)..without, your S.O.L.

Just a little information...alot of us use high performance cat pipes...mine s an X (w/cats):)

OK! I think that you guys have scared me into going with cats. Now my question is who has the best h or x pipe w/cats for the money? I here a lot about bassani x pipe, but they seem expensive. Is it worth the money or would a mac hi flow h pipe w/cats be as good? Thanks again for all of the input. This board has given me more information than anything out there.

No one will ever make me run cats period. I've been running without cats in my two mustangs since 92. Every year at emissions time I swap back the stock H to pass the sniffer a few times without then back to the offroad pipe. I've never heard anyone anywhere being fined those ridiculous fees for not having cats.

People talk about removing cats being illegal, so is speeding, street racing but yet most of you do that as well. I've been pulled over plenty of times over the years and have had cops ask about my exhaust and I openly tell them offroad H pipe and never have been warned about fines. Instead I get tint tickets.

Flame away!

Bill

I agree with Mustang92, it might be illegal but so is crossing the road without using a cross walk. All that really matters is if the police in your area check for them, and enforce this law.

By the way Bill is that Your car in your avatar?

Absolutely.

Bill

That's sweet the driverside tire is off the ground, weren't you pullin' about 300 lb/feet at the wheels?

At the local track it now pulls both wheels about 2-3" off the ground. Last time I dynod the car it was pulling 253RWHP and 292RWTQ, not much is different at this point.

Bill

Bill, I don't think anybody's gonna flame you because alot of people swap pipes.
Yes you may have not heard of anybody being fined...I have.

I had a case where a shop was seized by (Fedreal EPA) because they were gutting catylytic converters and welding them back together as well as swapping pipes for customers. In the seizure, records were taken and guess who got squeezed the most? ...the people who had it done.

My point was, why take a chance?

Besides, when your dealing with the Police, you don't know if your dealing with the"Terminator" or Officer friendly.

In reference to being Illegal...emissions is a little different than speeding and tint, whether you believe it or not.

Cliff

RELAX:)

Sounds like fun Bill. Cant wait for my car to do that. :)

Wrong having illegal emissions is just the same as speeding or tint. All against the law and most of us do it.

That is the shops fault plain and simple. I've heard of shops being closed down for this reason as well but none of their customers were penalized for it. If they were smart they would tell any customer with offroad exhuast that they wouldn't get a receipt or warranty on the work done. That is what the few shops locally do. Then if anything happens there is no evidence of the shop doing anything or traces back to the customer.

Regardless I don't let anyone touch my car other than me or friends for exhaust work.

Now I know the arguement has been stated where people say you'll only get 2-3 more HP anyway so why bother...I'll tell you why. I don't modify my car so it passes emissions, meets or exceeds federal and state laws or is pleasing to those around me. I modify it to race and win! Maybe you or other people can't notice the 2-3 HP, but fact is I get every single bit of power out of my car and on the track and if I lost by .02 or .03 because of cats I'm sure as heck not going to sit back and say oh well at least I'm legal :rolleyes: . Of course if you have a blower or other power adder sure 2-3 HP is nothing and chances are it will takes years of practice to even get the power you are making to the ground. But for someone like me running NA where your spending $2K to pick up 5-10HP that 2-3HP is a big difference especially when spending a 1/3 the cash.

You asked before why take the chance...because the only chance that I'll have is loseing a race. Be realistic here no cop is going to pull you over (except maybe California) for exhaust and fine you $10K for offroad exhaust. I asked for an example and I still haven't seen one. Name one case where someone was pulled over and not tied to a shop and busted for having offroad exhaust. Does anyone realized just how many people are on the road today with offroad exhaust?!?! Tens of thousands and if they were all busted and fined at the same time the nation would be out of debt.

By the way I've been pulled over by every type of cop and even once hauled off the jail for drag racing in which he caught me because he heard my offroad exhaust. Now tell me how emissions is "more" illegal than speeding?!?

P.S. I'm simply defending my views and not upset or trying to start a flame war...PEACE!

Bill

Whew, you sure do type alot...:)

Again as other posts, he asked a specific question, I answered it.

You don't think I've been down that road before?

I'm a business analyst and spend all day typing so I get plenty of practice! :D

Understood I was just repling to what I thought was directed to me.

I wouldn't know, that the problem with the internet I don't know you from john doe. I simply explain my view of things from my past experiences. I was just as hesitant to put on my first offroad pipe because of friends that said I would be put in jail. I did it anyways and first time I was pulled over with it on I was convinced I would be in trouble. Fact was that cops are more concerned about writing tickets to people making a right on red in a no turn zone or speeding, etc... than they are about what is done to your car.

Bill

Mustang92 Your right
 

All those things are illegal and the same thing.

All that matters is if you wana take the risk of getting pulled over.

over here were I live its real hard to get your cat backs cut off or get a off road x or h pipe.

Here in california espesially were I live (San Diego county) people get pulled over real easy.
And it sometimes depends on the cops that pull you over. In san diego county ive goten pulled over some times and they told me to slow down but they never told me nothing about my windows tinted. I have %5 on all five windows and in Los Angeles county i got a speeding ticket and never got told nothing about my windows and this was late at night. Then one time I got pulled over in downtow los angeles by a CHP and he gave my a ticket for my windows I had told him that no police officer has told me nothing about them. He then told me it was illegal to have any window tinted. so i got the tint off then I found out that its legal to have the back and two rear windows tinted but not the front two. Well this is a example of a cop being a d***. I had my windows tinted for over a year. and I sometimes see people with all the windows tinted even the fronw windshield and cops have past next to them and dont pull them over. It all depends on the cop.

I wana get a off road H pipe installed in my car but im looking for a place were I can get it at.


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