The Great Debate - Page 4

jaxter1 · 11-01-2003, 08:40 AM

...some misconceptions to clear up....any 5sp will have better ratios, should handle more power stock, delivers more RWHP due to lack of power-sucking converter, moving parts, etc. and will be lighter. Not to mention, of course, much more reliable (if you know how to clutch) modulating of wheelspin both in a straight line, and more importantly, on any turn, esp with RWD cars. It's a no-brainer. More power, more control, less weight. Any fool that can halfway-decently drive a stick will always be faster and quicker than an auto, period. Double-clutching, powershifting, ball-and-toe rt footedness are just more advantages. Autos were made for women and 1000HP machines, aside from that, they're wasteful. Oh, just to repeat...ratios....makes a big difference in flat-out racing, ask anyone about 3rd gear at hwy speeds. Also, shift kits are nice, but they usually kill your univ joints and rearend. That nice "bang" has repercussions......and like several have said, takes a long while to learn a stick well, even to get used to the feel of a new one. Overall, that's the reason Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, Lancia and Porsche stuck to what obviously worked best. Sure, they all dabbled in autos...and they were the worse mistakes.....just look at 'traction control', that's the best 'tech' I have for wheelspin....I can do better w/o it in my 'stang more often than not so far.

WHITE_SVT_SNAKE · 11-03-2003, 09:27 PM

Very nice post just above... *** Round of applause *** i couldn't have said it better my self...

jaxter1 · 11-04-2003, 12:22 PM

Uh-oh, bit of encouragement, I'm off again.....OK, lets establish there is no "perfect" auto....though it's getting there....Tiptronic still's buggy...but manually deploying a clutch, real-time, and controlling your gearing/throttle will always be a more natural (and lighter and less buggy) way to drive a car, straight line spinning out or in curves. A housewife in a 350hp X-class Bimmer....that's one approach to driving. Prob breeze past man. Gt's and Cobra's every time, rain or shine, -when not expected.....but any monkey with a stick can outgun much higher-HP auto cars right off the line, AND through the gears, when they know how to use the tranny and feel like it. Back in the day, my last 5.0 had a good 1/2 sec lead on any auto 'stang. That t-5 was glass, but still better than the cruddy AOD back then. Now that I have a stock Tremec, I feel no need for worry. But hey, it all comes down to FUN. Only a housewife considers an auto Bimmer fun. Also, isn't that newer AOD squatted out at a very low top speed? Just curious about that....and let's not get into final drive ratios or mileage, either...hohoho. My GT is a challenge at top speed with the top down, stupid fun......on the other hand, any sane person would enjoy a fastback auto even if it's slower at WOT/FDR.

Mercury · 06-23-2004, 10:45 PM

Did some one say the T-45 is junk??? Wow...There actually pretty darn stout Manuals once you put a shifter with stops on it (To Avoid breaking shift forks) A hell of alot better than a T-5 of any spec.

As for White SVT's writting...but you have met your match...hehehe.. I write also, mostly car stuff, and sci-fi. One thing though...why would the Speedo jump up when the clutch is depressed??? Cant figure that one. Maybe you ment tach.

carlos.elliott · 07-04-2004, 03:28 PM

I have one of each and depends on the mood I am in on which I drive. Manual is more fun and auto for longer trips. But love them both

Unit 5302 · 07-04-2004, 03:53 PM

Am I the only one that's noticed this topic is over 2 years old, and it's still riddled with bs that hasn't been corrected? Not that the original participants from over 2 years ago are still around.

xxxBlakexxx · 06-25-2005, 06:13 AM

Andy Jensen drives his '63 Vette to 220 mph in the traps in 6 seconds and has 5 or 6 gears that he shifts in that short period of time.

Now that's driving.

84LX89GT · 07-14-2005, 04:33 PM

I'm all about manual transmissions. They do suck in crawling traffic, especially if you have a stiff clutch. Autos are nice for driving without thinking about it, Manuals you actually have to "drive" the car.

96gtmadman · 12-02-2007, 08:32 PM

can anyone tell me where to locate the purge valve on a 96 gt????

goodyear1984 · 02-03-2010, 07:02 PM

id rather have a 5 speed but there alot of money to get on that will hold power,not blow up and actually shifts.yea if u have a 12 or 13sec car not a big deal a t5 is fine..but a c4 3 speed with the right converter will take time off you et,the c4 is light and doesnt take much power to turn it and there about half the price of a tremec....but 5 speed is too much fun to drive

1965GTO · 05-17-2010, 03:21 PM

I'd take a manual for drag racing if I could afford a really good one, otherwise the auto is better. For a road course the manual is better and better for gas mileage. Sometimes auto companies claim higher mileage figures for their automatics by 1 mpg highway or something like that. But I say they are lying because they want to sell the automatic cars that cost more money.

11-03-2003, 09:27 PM	#62
WHITE_SVT_SNAKE Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dublin, GA Posts: 29	Very nice Very nice post just above... * Round of applause * i couldn't have said it better my self... __________________ 1996 Mustang Cobra Ported Factory Heads, New Performance valvetrain , BBK 62MM TB, Sean Hyland Spec Stage One Cams, Dual Friction Centerforce Clutch, Steeda Tri-ax, Mac Cold Air, Saleen Wheels (18x9 & 18x10), Among other things... "I Like anything Fast Enough to Do Something Stupid In"

06-23-2004, 10:45 PM	#64
Mercury The Redneck James Bond Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Fayetteville NC Posts: 1,707	Did some one say the T-45 is junk??? Wow...There actually pretty darn stout Manuals once you put a shifter with stops on it (To Avoid breaking shift forks) A hell of alot better than a T-5 of any spec. As for White SVT's writting...but you have met your match...hehehe.. I write also, mostly car stuff, and sci-fi. One thing though...why would the Speedo jump up when the clutch is depressed??? Cant figure that one. Maybe you ment tach. __________________ 64 1/2 "D" code Red Mustang Coupe. Red Baron, 2000 Perf Red Mustang GT. 5spd. Stage 2 CNC heads with Large Valves, Comp Cams (270-274 dur .550 lift), Forged Crank, DRP pistons, Manly H-beams, Pro M 87 mm Mass Air, 24lb Inj, 75mm TB, Plenum Spacer ,Long Tube Headers, Homemade H-pipe, 2 chamber Flows, 4:10's, Steeda Tri-Ax, LKW 70/30's, Eibach Drag Springs, Steeda SubFrames, Battle Boxes, Rear Girdle, Adj uppers, Alunimum Drshft, Southside Lift Bars. Project Cars, 64 1/2 6cyl coupe, 1930 Model A Nostalgia Rod.

06-25-2005, 06:13 AM	#67
xxxBlakexxx Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mountaintop, PA Posts: 634	Re: The Great Debate Andy Jensen drives his '63 Vette to 220 mph in the traps in 6 seconds and has 5 or 6 gears that he shifts in that short period of time. Now that's driving. __________________ "Children should not get cancer, but they do!" Help a child with cancer at www.homeoftheirown.org My Stang: 2000 Mustang GT Vert - Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter; C&L Plenum; BBK 75 mm TB; Steeda Strut Tower Supports; Black "Deep Dish" Bullet Wheels; FRPP 4.10's; Steeda Subframes; SLP Catback & SLP Catted X-Pipe; SCT 4 Position Chip with 3 custom tunes; Steeda CAI; Venom-1000 Nitrous; Roush Stage 3 Body Kit; Bullet Suspension Package (on the way)

07-14-2005, 04:33 PM	#68
84LX89GT Mustangs Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 1,938	Re: The Great Debate I'm all about manual transmissions. They do suck in crawling traffic, especially if you have a stiff clutch. Autos are nice for driving without thinking about it, Manuals you actually have to "drive" the car. __________________ 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300-R 1980 Ford Thunderbird - 255 V8 ported heads, 5.0L ported stock headers, O.R. H-pipe and Flowmaster 2-chambers, dual roller timing chain hi-po Mack Truck hood emblem 1985 Mustang GT 5.0L T5, F-303, GT40p, headers, off-road h, flowmasters, MSD stuff, etc. Sold 02/06/04 1989 Mustang GT ET: 13.304@102.29 mph (5-24-03) Sold - 1998 Mustang Cobra coupe, 1/4 mile - street tires: 13.843@103.41 (bone stock)

12-02-2007, 08:32 PM	#69
96gtmadman Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: baton rouge,la Posts: 3	Re: The Great Debate can anyone tell me where to locate the purge valve on a 96 gt????

11-01-2003, 08:40 AM	#61
jaxter1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: il Posts: 10	...some misconceptions to clear up....any 5sp will have better ratios, should handle more power stock, delivers more RWHP due to lack of power-sucking converter, moving parts, etc. and will be lighter. Not to mention, of course, much more reliable (if you know how to clutch) modulating of wheelspin both in a straight line, and more importantly, on any turn, esp with RWD cars. It's a no-brainer. More power, more control, less weight. Any fool that can halfway-decently drive a stick will always be faster and quicker than an auto, period. Double-clutching, powershifting, ball-and-toe rt footedness are just more advantages. Autos were made for women and 1000HP machines, aside from that, they're wasteful. Oh, just to repeat...ratios....makes a big difference in flat-out racing, ask anyone about 3rd gear at hwy speeds. Also, shift kits are nice, but they usually kill your univ joints and rearend. That nice "bang" has repercussions......and like several have said, takes a long while to learn a stick well, even to get used to the feel of a new one. Overall, that's the reason Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, Lancia and Porsche stuck to what obviously worked best. Sure, they all dabbled in autos...and they were the worse mistakes.....just look at 'traction control', that's the best 'tech' I have for wheelspin....I can do better w/o it in my 'stang more often than not so far.

11-04-2003, 12:22 PM	#63
jaxter1 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: il Posts: 10	Uh-oh, bit of encouragement, I'm off again.....OK, lets establish there is no "perfect" auto....though it's getting there....Tiptronic still's buggy...but manually deploying a clutch, real-time, and controlling your gearing/throttle will always be a more natural (and lighter and less buggy) way to drive a car, straight line spinning out or in curves. A housewife in a 350hp X-class Bimmer....that's one approach to driving. Prob breeze past man. Gt's and Cobra's every time, rain or shine, -when not expected.....but any monkey with a stick can outgun much higher-HP auto cars right off the line, AND through the gears, when they know how to use the tranny and feel like it. Back in the day, my last 5.0 had a good 1/2 sec lead on any auto 'stang. That t-5 was glass, but still better than the cruddy AOD back then. Now that I have a stock Tremec, I feel no need for worry. But hey, it all comes down to FUN. Only a housewife considers an auto Bimmer fun. Also, isn't that newer AOD squatted out at a very low top speed? Just curious about that....and let's not get into final drive ratios or mileage, either...hohoho. My GT is a challenge at top speed with the top down, stupid fun......on the other hand, any sane person would enjoy a fastback auto even if it's slower at WOT/FDR.

07-04-2004, 03:28 PM	#65
carlos.elliott Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 68	I have one of each and depends on the mood I am in on which I drive. Manual is more fun and auto for longer trips. But love them both

07-04-2004, 03:53 PM	#66
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	Am I the only one that's noticed this topic is over 2 years old, and it's still riddled with bs that hasn't been corrected? Not that the original participants from over 2 years ago are still around.

02-03-2010, 07:02 PM	#70
goodyear1984 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: new york Posts: 482	Re: The Great Debate id rather have a 5 speed but there alot of money to get on that will hold power,not blow up and actually shifts.yea if u have a 12 or 13sec car not a big deal a t5 is fine..but a c4 3 speed with the right converter will take time off you et,the c4 is light and doesnt take much power to turn it and there about half the price of a tremec....but 5 speed is too much fun to drive __________________ 347 stroker all forged,arp everything,stud mains w/girdle,7qt pan,full roller, custom cam, aluminum heads swirl valves 5 angle valve job.quick fuel 750,areomotive pump,cobras w/nitto drags,and m/t et drags for the track, ford racing 373 gears,centerforce clutch,tko500,underdrive pulleys,bassani x-pipe,flowmasters ^best et so far 11.6 1.61 60ft coming soon 9sec et's 1992 mustang gt 2001 gmc 1500 4x4 78 century boat 92 skidoo

05-17-2010, 03:21 PM	#71
1965GTO Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dupo,ill Posts: 219	Re: The Great Debate I'd take a manual for drag racing if I could afford a really good one, otherwise the auto is better. For a road course the manual is better and better for gas mileage. Sometimes auto companies claim higher mileage figures for their automatics by 1 mpg highway or something like that. But I say they are lying because they want to sell the automatic cars that cost more money.

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