Help with next mods

xxxBlakexxx · 08-21-2004, 06:41 AM

Well, the fall is essentially here and soon the car will be garaged for the winter. All my mods are listed below. They have all been done in the last 10 months or so.

Now it's time to start thinking about my winter projects for the car. Any ideas? Before you answer, here is what I do NOT want to do at this time: headers, lower car, blower.

Headers are a pain in the arse for the gains and my car is loud enough already. No, just not my taste and it was the one thing the wife asked me not to do. She has been great with everything else...so I will give her that much...for now. Blower? Too much $ to spend right now.

My goals for now is to get the car as close to 13 flat as possible on street tires. So any ideas on getting the car to hook up, look better, go faster are welcomed. Why 13's, I have a vert and am NOT interested in a roll gage, but I want to still race.

Cams are an obvious choice. I am estimating my rwhp right now at about 265, so a nice set of streetable cams could put me 280 or 290 which is easily in low 13 second territory on street tires. I think cams and a nice set of valve covers would be the ticket. However, I can't find anyone locally to install them. But, I have all winter to do them myself.

I am not a complete idiot, but I have never tried anything like this before. The thought of installing cams is pretty scary. But, I am sure if I worked 2-3 hours a week and posted lots of questions, by April, I would be done.

smokinsteeda · 08-21-2004, 03:55 PM

cams are always a good choice but that leaves you with the question of raising your rev limiter, and i would definetly do headers with cams. something else 2 consider is an intake manifold or pulleys. You could even go as xtreme as an intake and heads with custom cams. i think comp cams has some mild 2 wild cams i read that the xtreme energy cams can produce up to 50 extra ponies and you dont need valve reliefs. what kind of time do you run now. my cousin has an 02 gt with no cats a chip 3.73's and a tri-ax. he runs 13.8's i think you would have to be in the 13.5's -Rob

xxxBlakexxx · 08-21-2004, 05:42 PM

Rob:

You said pullies. I do have UDPs already. Is this what you mean?

Thanks for the comments. Heads are definately a good idea, but may not be in the budget with the cams. I may have to settle just for cams.

I should be in the mid 13's, but I don't honestly know for sure. Last two trips to the track have been rained out. (crappy weather this summer).

Red Mustang Gt 46 · 08-22-2004, 05:49 AM

Looking at your sig... Rear Upper and Lower control arms would make a huge difference in the handling of your car, easy to install. Something Ford should have done from the factory.

xxxBlakexxx · 08-22-2004, 01:43 PM

Hum. Any specific suggestions on which ones? Steeda? About how much are they and what would I expect to see?

blue00gt · 08-23-2004, 02:19 PM

My Spec Stage 2 clutch and aluminum flywheel were probably one of my favorite mods. Believe it or not this gave me more SOTP gain than longtubes and h-pipe did. I can walk GTs that have similar mods since I added them.

SMOKE · 08-23-2004, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxBlakexxx
Any ideas? Before you answer, here is what I do NOT want to do at this time: headers, lower car, blower.

Not much left after the suggestions ..... You've done just about everything else.

Weight reduction ....

But, yeah LCA and UCAs. MM fan myself, the STEEDA stuff isn't bad.

xxxBlakexxx · 08-23-2004, 09:42 PM

BlueooGT: Can you explain to me how the clutch helped?

Also, I am a suspension moron. Can someone explain how LCA's and UCA's work?

explicitone · 08-27-2004, 01:56 PM

headers are not that bad(they are no more of a pain then cams)

remember when racing you are not at one rpm so peak means nothing its the power curve amd long tube headers will give you a good tq curve and as for the gains looks at my track post the only thing I changed was HEADERS AND MID PIPE

and as for cams I would do headers before cams cause most cams you are going to need headers anyway

SMOKE · 08-28-2004, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxBlakexxx
BlueooGT: Can you explain to me how the clutch helped?

Also, I am a suspension moron. Can someone explain how LCA's and UCA's work?

Better quality LCA and UCA help put power to the ground.
I think the bushings tend to help as well, most 99+ Cobra guys say swapping out the lower and upper control arms really helps with the IRS wheel hop.

blue00gt · 08-30-2004, 02:33 PM

I think it was mostly the flywheel that helped, actually. It's a lot less rotating mass directly on the crankshaft (reducing weight here is much more effective than reducing it after the tranny like with a driveshaft). I think the aluminum flywheel is like 11 or 13 lbs as compared to twenty-something for stock. The clutch just grabs like a mother and you can slip it and abuse it a lot more than the stock one without hurting it. I also got the lightened pressure plate option which further reduces weight.

explicitone · 08-30-2004, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by blue00gt
I think it was mostly the flywheel that helped, actually. It's a lot less rotating mass directly on the crankshaft (reducing weight here is much more effective than reducing it after the tranny like with a driveshaft). I think the aluminum flywheel is like 11 or 13 lbs as compared to twenty-something for stock. The clutch just grabs like a mother and you can slip it and abuse it a lot more than the stock one without hurting it. I also got the lightened pressure plate option which further reduces weight.

the spec/fidanza flywheels are I think 11.8(12lbs) and the stock is like 30+

08-21-2004, 06:41 AM	#1
xxxBlakexxx Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mountaintop, PA Posts: 634	Help with next mods Well, the fall is essentially here and soon the car will be garaged for the winter. All my mods are listed below. They have all been done in the last 10 months or so. Now it's time to start thinking about my winter projects for the car. Any ideas? Before you answer, here is what I do NOT want to do at this time: headers, lower car, blower. Headers are a pain in the arse for the gains and my car is loud enough already. No, just not my taste and it was the one thing the wife asked me not to do. She has been great with everything else...so I will give her that much...for now. Blower? Too much $ to spend right now. My goals for now is to get the car as close to 13 flat as possible on street tires. So any ideas on getting the car to hook up, look better, go faster are welcomed. Why 13's, I have a vert and am NOT interested in a roll gage, but I want to still race. Cams are an obvious choice. I am estimating my rwhp right now at about 265, so a nice set of streetable cams could put me 280 or 290 which is easily in low 13 second territory on street tires. I think cams and a nice set of valve covers would be the ticket. However, I can't find anyone locally to install them. But, I have all winter to do them myself. I am not a complete idiot, but I have never tried anything like this before. The thought of installing cams is pretty scary. But, I am sure if I worked 2-3 hours a week and posted lots of questions, by April, I would be done. __________________ "Children should not get cancer, but they do!" Help a child with cancer at www.homeoftheirown.org My Stang: 2000 Mustang GT Vert - Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter; C&L Plenum; BBK 75 mm TB; Steeda Strut Tower Supports; Black "Deep Dish" Bullet Wheels; FRPP 4.10's; Steeda Subframes; SLP Catback & SLP Catted X-Pipe; SCT 4 Position Chip with 3 custom tunes; Steeda CAI; Venom-1000 Nitrous; Roush Stage 3 Body Kit; Bullet Suspension Package (on the way)

08-21-2004, 03:55 PM	#2
smokinsteeda Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: miami Posts: 3	cams are always a good choice but that leaves you with the question of raising your rev limiter, and i would definetly do headers with cams. something else 2 consider is an intake manifold or pulleys. You could even go as xtreme as an intake and heads with custom cams. i think comp cams has some mild 2 wild cams i read that the xtreme energy cams can produce up to 50 extra ponies and you dont need valve reliefs. what kind of time do you run now. my cousin has an 02 gt with no cats a chip 3.73's and a tri-ax. he runs 13.8's i think you would have to be in the 13.5's -Rob __________________ my ride: 01 mustang gt, steeda stage 3 package(need i say more), vortech sq-blower, 55 lb injectors, 3.73 gears, suspension mods, exhaust. . etc

08-21-2004, 05:42 PM	#3
xxxBlakexxx Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mountaintop, PA Posts: 634	Rob: You said pullies. I do have UDPs already. Is this what you mean? Thanks for the comments. Heads are definately a good idea, but may not be in the budget with the cams. I may have to settle just for cams. I should be in the mid 13's, but I don't honestly know for sure. Last two trips to the track have been rained out. (crappy weather this summer). __________________ "Children should not get cancer, but they do!" Help a child with cancer at www.homeoftheirown.org My Stang: 2000 Mustang GT Vert - Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter; C&L Plenum; BBK 75 mm TB; Steeda Strut Tower Supports; Black "Deep Dish" Bullet Wheels; FRPP 4.10's; Steeda Subframes; SLP Catback & SLP Catted X-Pipe; SCT 4 Position Chip with 3 custom tunes; Steeda CAI; Venom-1000 Nitrous; Roush Stage 3 Body Kit; Bullet Suspension Package (on the way)

08-22-2004, 05:49 AM	#4
Red Mustang Gt 46 13.3 @ 103 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Maryland Posts: 253	Looking at your sig... Rear Upper and Lower control arms would make a huge difference in the handling of your car, easy to install. Something Ford should have done from the factory. __________________ Equipment by: Steeda C&L COMP CAMS FRPP MSD Bassani Magnaflow MAC

08-22-2004, 01:43 PM	#5
xxxBlakexxx Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mountaintop, PA Posts: 634	Hum. Any specific suggestions on which ones? Steeda? About how much are they and what would I expect to see? __________________ "Children should not get cancer, but they do!" Help a child with cancer at www.homeoftheirown.org My Stang: 2000 Mustang GT Vert - Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter; C&L Plenum; BBK 75 mm TB; Steeda Strut Tower Supports; Black "Deep Dish" Bullet Wheels; FRPP 4.10's; Steeda Subframes; SLP Catback & SLP Catted X-Pipe; SCT 4 Position Chip with 3 custom tunes; Steeda CAI; Venom-1000 Nitrous; Roush Stage 3 Body Kit; Bullet Suspension Package (on the way)

08-23-2004, 02:19 PM	#6
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	My Spec Stage 2 clutch and aluminum flywheel were probably one of my favorite mods. Believe it or not this gave me more SOTP gain than longtubes and h-pipe did. I can walk GTs that have similar mods since I added them. __________________ Strike down the unroadworthy! 2000 GT Atl. Blue: '03 Cobra motor - 465rwhp/473rwtq, T-56 6-speed, full MM TA/PH & tubular K-member suspension, Saleen body, 17" Torq-Thrust II's, M/T ET Street radials, and lots more '94 Rio Red Cobra: All the bolt-ons, 3.73s

08-23-2004, 09:42 PM	#8
xxxBlakexxx Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Mountaintop, PA Posts: 634	BlueooGT: Can you explain to me how the clutch helped? Also, I am a suspension moron. Can someone explain how LCA's and UCA's work? __________________ "Children should not get cancer, but they do!" Help a child with cancer at www.homeoftheirown.org My Stang: 2000 Mustang GT Vert - Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter; C&L Plenum; BBK 75 mm TB; Steeda Strut Tower Supports; Black "Deep Dish" Bullet Wheels; FRPP 4.10's; Steeda Subframes; SLP Catback & SLP Catted X-Pipe; SCT 4 Position Chip with 3 custom tunes; Steeda CAI; Venom-1000 Nitrous; Roush Stage 3 Body Kit; Bullet Suspension Package (on the way)

08-27-2004, 01:56 PM	#9
explicitone Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: racine ,wi Posts: 691	headers are not that bad(they are no more of a pain then cams) remember when racing you are not at one rpm so peak means nothing its the power curve amd long tube headers will give you a good tq curve and as for the gains looks at my track post the only thing I changed was HEADERS AND MID PIPE and as for cams I would do headers before cams cause most cams you are going to need headers anyway __________________ RUN IT STAIGHT AND RUN IT HARD ________ Novi 2000 60' 1.46 1/4 10.67 mph 126.5 _________

08-30-2004, 02:33 PM	#11
blue00gt Mustang Addict Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: McKinney, TX Posts: 1,294	I think it was mostly the flywheel that helped, actually. It's a lot less rotating mass directly on the crankshaft (reducing weight here is much more effective than reducing it after the tranny like with a driveshaft). I think the aluminum flywheel is like 11 or 13 lbs as compared to twenty-something for stock. The clutch just grabs like a mother and you can slip it and abuse it a lot more than the stock one without hurting it. I also got the lightened pressure plate option which further reduces weight. __________________ Strike down the unroadworthy! 2000 GT Atl. Blue: '03 Cobra motor - 465rwhp/473rwtq, T-56 6-speed, full MM TA/PH & tubular K-member suspension, Saleen body, 17" Torq-Thrust II's, M/T ET Street radials, and lots more '94 Rio Red Cobra: All the bolt-ons, 3.73s

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