Blowers

Toppchef · 09-17-2002, 06:38 PM

Definately going to supercharge, but I'm having a hard time chosing between Vortech and Procharger. I could get the SQ-Trim Vortech for about 4000 installed, however that is without the aftercooler. The Procharger will run me atleast 4500 bucks, though that does include the intercooler. Wondering if intrcooling really is superior to aftercooling. Also I just really want something that is very reliable; I'm in a wheelchair and have a hard time performing matinance on it. I would like to here everybody's opinion!!! Thanks

SMOKE · 09-17-2002, 07:47 PM

1 vote for an intercooled S/C set-up. Procharger!

As for maintenance, the centri type S/Cs get a bad rap when folks get beyond the stock kit and don't set the engine up for the demand.
I personally would reccommend a roots type supercharger.

Question would be what kind of performance do you expect from your set-up.

09-18-2002, 10:30 PM

Take a look at this website, it gives an excellent overview of the different types and brands of Superchargers http://www.motorsportsdigest.com/tech.htm I have a Vortech and have been very happy with it to date. The Vortech does not require an intercooler and it seems that the roots type require this to make decent power. Smoke is definitely correct in saying that a custom tune is required for a centrifugal type of sc, I don't know if this is the case or not with a roots type. I am a case in point. My Vortech out of the box installed cost me $4000 and I just dyno'ed at 313 rwhp and 370 rwtq. I'm going in for a custom tune and I'm being gauranteed a minimum of 385 rwhp after the tune (that's about 450 hp at the motor) and that's without an intercooler. My recommendation is to ONLY have the SC installed at a shop which has a floor dyno and will install the Vortech with a Diablo chip and a custom tune(I'm having my Superchip replaced with a Diablo tomorrow). Good luck and let us know what you do.

Tim Lester · 09-19-2002, 06:49 PM

Go with the Procharger. It comes with an intercooler while the Vortech dose'nt. Also with the Procharger you don't have to drill into the oil pan whereas the Vortech you do. Heres Prochargers' web-site http://www.procharger.com/index.html

Good Luck

1BadAzzGT · 09-29-2002, 09:28 PM

I've had great luck with my Vortech and that's all I can say. Tech support has been more then helpful and the unit itself is second to none.

ylw99vert · 09-30-2002, 03:57 PM

If I was doing a blower that was very safe and required minimal maint. I would agree with Smoke and also seriously consider the roots style blowers.

chico · 09-30-2002, 05:47 PM

Vortech comes with an aftcl. I am presently pumping 14 lbs boost on 8.2 CP pistons 98 cobra convt. last dyno after 3500 mile breakin on new motor...523 rwhp 422 rwtq.( more torque on the sohc motors with the same set up) DO NOT TRY AND RUN YOU BLOWN MOTOR WITH A MAIL ORDER CHIP...HAVE IT CUT ON A DYNO BY ONE WHO KNOWS.

apenn..do not want dash your hopes of 385 rwhp from a beginning of 313,, but this is highly unlikely , unless you motor is way off on fuel air and timing 35 to 40 hp is more realistic. Good luck ..hope you get your 385 and more...it becomes a beast of a differen't color on a properly tuned blown modular motor..

09-30-2002, 06:30 PM

Hi Chico - I appreciate your input on the 385 hp. When I had the car dyno'd I was told the air/fuel was way off. I had a Lightning MAS and Anderson PowerPipe installed along with the Diablo Chip. The chip was not direct from Diablo but came with a custom program the shop had used on numerous other cars. Anyways that next day I actually took it to the track. Tell me what you think. Prior to these upgrades I was running consistent 13.0's at 107 mph, with the changes I was running 12.6's at 111 mph. What would you think this equates to? An extra 4 mph is how much hp? I am going to get the custom tune done as soon as I have the time. Anyways, your input is appreciated. Thanks.

chico · 09-30-2002, 07:15 PM

DON'T WAIT TOO LONG ON THE TUNED CHIP...I HAVE BLOWN 2 MOTORS ON MAIL ORDER CHIPS DUE TO DETONATION AND NOT TUNED PROPERLY....THERE IS SILENT DETONATION ESPECIALLY UNDER BOOST....YOU WILL ALSO NEED LARGER INJECTORS,FUEL PUMP OR PUMP'S DEPENDING ON YOUR BOOST?

Titan · 09-30-2002, 08:42 PM

Most kits supply all the fuel upgrades: new pump, new injectors...they also supply a chip, but it's not the best...

chico · 09-30-2002, 09:33 PM

An I ta;king to my self...how mush research do you think I have been through with 3 blown motors?????? You cannot trust the chips supplied by the Mfg.'s Each motor is differen't...listen to the last expert....he knopws everything//

chico · 09-30-2002, 09:35 PM

An I ta;king to my self...how mush research do you think I have been through with 3 blown motors?????? You cannot trust the chips supplied by the Mfg.'s Each motor is differen't...listen to the last expert....he knopws everything// Its your money forget my input......

SleeperGT · 09-30-2002, 10:23 PM

Chico - This might be a stupid question but how can you tell if you have a blown motor? Is it something way drastic like the car doesn't start, plumes of black smoke coming out of the exhaust, flames shooting out of the hood or is it be something more suttle? The reason I ask is that I just found out that my engine is pushing oil back into my supercharger via the air return from the top of the motor back to the Supercharger. Is this symmtomatic of something very bad? Vortech told me to basically install a mini air filter for this return. Also, I have 30 lb fuel injectors and I'm told my bost is up to 11.5 lbs. I'll make it a priority to get that custom tune asap. Thanks.

chico · 10-01-2002, 08:26 PM

Yes sometimes suttle... may just be ring gland on one piston..no. 7 and no. 8 a are the most likely..pull breather cap on valve cover with motor running....look for blow byeeee...usually a loss of compression and HP. GOOD LUCK!

chico · 10-01-2002, 08:29 PM

tHE ANDERSON PWR. PIPE AND 90MM LIGHTING MASS AIR METER IS A GOOD CHOICE FOR ABOUT 30 MORE HP. THIS MOD. ALONE REQUIRES A NEW TUNED CHIP

09-17-2002, 06:38 PM	#1
Toppchef Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bethesda MD Posts: 17	Blowers Definately going to supercharge, but I'm having a hard time chosing between Vortech and Procharger. I could get the SQ-Trim Vortech for about 4000 installed, however that is without the aftercooler. The Procharger will run me atleast 4500 bucks, though that does include the intercooler. Wondering if intrcooling really is superior to aftercooling. Also I just really want something that is very reliable; I'm in a wheelchair and have a hard time performing matinance on it. I would like to here everybody's opinion!!! Thanks

09-17-2002, 07:47 PM	#2
SMOKE Old School ROUSH Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: Stockbridge, GA Posts: 531	1 vote for an intercooled S/C set-up. Procharger! As for maintenance, the centri type S/Cs get a bad rap when folks get beyond the stock kit and don't set the engine up for the demand. I personally would reccommend a roots type supercharger. Question would be what kind of performance do you expect from your set-up. __________________

09-18-2002, 10:30 PM	#3
apenn Guest Posts: n/a	Recommendations Take a look at this website, it gives an excellent overview of the different types and brands of Superchargers http://www.motorsportsdigest.com/tech.htm I have a Vortech and have been very happy with it to date. The Vortech does not require an intercooler and it seems that the roots type require this to make decent power. Smoke is definitely correct in saying that a custom tune is required for a centrifugal type of sc, I don't know if this is the case or not with a roots type. I am a case in point. My Vortech out of the box installed cost me $4000 and I just dyno'ed at 313 rwhp and 370 rwtq. I'm going in for a custom tune and I'm being gauranteed a minimum of 385 rwhp after the tune (that's about 450 hp at the motor) and that's without an intercooler. My recommendation is to ONLY have the SC installed at a shop which has a floor dyno and will install the Vortech with a Diablo chip and a custom tune(I'm having my Superchip replaced with a Diablo tomorrow). Good luck and let us know what you do.

09-19-2002, 06:49 PM	#4
Tim Lester Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: IL Posts: 32	Go with the Procharger. It comes with an intercooler while the Vortech dose'nt. Also with the Procharger you don't have to drill into the oil pan whereas the Vortech you do. Heres Prochargers' web-site http://www.procharger.com/index.html Good Luck __________________ 1999 Mustang Cobra Solid Axle w/ 4.56's Magnaflow Cat-Back Dr.Gas O/R X-Pipe JBA 1-5/8ths Shorty Headers Homemade Powerpipe March Pulleys JMS Chip Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter Best E.T. w/ parts listed & BFG 275/40/17 D/Rs (10-26-'02; not including JMS Chip)- 12.95 @106.82, 1.79 60FT. Best MPH- 107.43 New Best MPH (4-26-03)- 109.45 316 RWHP/ 309 RWTQ

09-29-2002, 09:28 PM	#5
1BadAzzGT Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pasadena,, Maryland, USA Posts: 35	I've had great luck with my Vortech and that's all I can say. Tech support has been more then helpful and the unit itself is second to none. __________________ Founder, Quickstreetcars.com AOL IM: Blown284 1998 Supercharged GT auto 2005 ET: 11.2@127

09-30-2002, 03:57 PM	#6
ylw99vert Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: St. Louis Posts: 16	If I was doing a blower that was very safe and required minimal maint. I would agree with Smoke and also seriously consider the roots style blowers. __________________ Just another blown 4V 4.6 GT

09-30-2002, 05:47 PM	#7
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	blowers Vortech comes with an aftcl. I am presently pumping 14 lbs boost on 8.2 CP pistons 98 cobra convt. last dyno after 3500 mile breakin on new motor...523 rwhp 422 rwtq.( more torque on the sohc motors with the same set up) DO NOT TRY AND RUN YOU BLOWN MOTOR WITH A MAIL ORDER CHIP...HAVE IT CUT ON A DYNO BY ONE WHO KNOWS. apenn..do not want dash your hopes of 385 rwhp from a beginning of 313,, but this is highly unlikely , unless you motor is way off on fuel air and timing 35 to 40 hp is more realistic. Good luck ..hope you get your 385 and more...it becomes a beast of a differen't color on a properly tuned blown modular motor.. __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

09-30-2002, 06:30 PM	#8
apenn Guest Posts: n/a	385 HP? Hi Chico - I appreciate your input on the 385 hp. When I had the car dyno'd I was told the air/fuel was way off. I had a Lightning MAS and Anderson PowerPipe installed along with the Diablo Chip. The chip was not direct from Diablo but came with a custom program the shop had used on numerous other cars. Anyways that next day I actually took it to the track. Tell me what you think. Prior to these upgrades I was running consistent 13.0's at 107 mph, with the changes I was running 12.6's at 111 mph. What would you think this equates to? An extra 4 mph is how much hp? I am going to get the custom tune done as soon as I have the time. Anyways, your input is appreciated. Thanks.

09-30-2002, 07:15 PM	#9
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	blowers DON'T WAIT TOO LONG ON THE TUNED CHIP...I HAVE BLOWN 2 MOTORS ON MAIL ORDER CHIPS DUE TO DETONATION AND NOT TUNED PROPERLY....THERE IS SILENT DETONATION ESPECIALLY UNDER BOOST....YOU WILL ALSO NEED LARGER INJECTORS,FUEL PUMP OR PUMP'S DEPENDING ON YOUR BOOST? __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

09-30-2002, 08:42 PM	#10
Titan Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 296	Most kits supply all the fuel upgrades: new pump, new injectors...they also supply a chip, but it's not the best... __________________ Current Sophomore -- Mechanical Engineering Black on Black 98' GT 5-Speed Mods = Stuff

09-30-2002, 09:33 PM	#11
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	blowers An I ta;king to my self...how mush research do you think I have been through with 3 blown motors?????? You cannot trust the chips supplied by the Mfg.'s Each motor is differen't...listen to the last expert....he knopws everything// __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

09-30-2002, 09:35 PM	#12
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	blowers An I ta;king to my self...how mush research do you think I have been through with 3 blown motors?????? You cannot trust the chips supplied by the Mfg.'s Each motor is differen't...listen to the last expert....he knopws everything// Its your money forget my input...... __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

09-30-2002, 10:23 PM	#13
SleeperGT Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Ponte Vedra Beach, FL Posts: 122	Blown Motor? Chico - This might be a stupid question but how can you tell if you have a blown motor? Is it something way drastic like the car doesn't start, plumes of black smoke coming out of the exhaust, flames shooting out of the hood or is it be something more suttle? The reason I ask is that I just found out that my engine is pushing oil back into my supercharger via the air return from the top of the motor back to the Supercharger. Is this symmtomatic of something very bad? Vortech told me to basically install a mini air filter for this return. Also, I have 30 lb fuel injectors and I'm told my bost is up to 11.5 lbs. I'll make it a priority to get that custom tune asap. Thanks. __________________ '00 GT 5-spd Vortech S-Trim 3.1" Pulley Paxton Air-to-Air Aftercooler 90 mm MAS 42 lb injectors Cobra Fuel Pump 70 mm AccuFab Throttlebody C & L Intake Plenum 2 1/2" X-pipes Anderson PowerPipe MagnaFlow Mufflers Diablo Custom Chip 3.73's Steeda Lower Control Arms 358 rwhp (Mustang Dyno) New Track Times Coming Soon

10-01-2002, 08:26 PM	#14
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	blowers Yes sometimes suttle... may just be ring gland on one piston..no. 7 and no. 8 a are the most likely..pull breather cap on valve cover with motor running....look for blow byeeee...usually a loss of compression and HP. GOOD LUCK! __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

10-01-2002, 08:29 PM	#15
chico Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Manteca,Ca. Posts: 114	BLOWERS ps tHE ANDERSON PWR. PIPE AND 90MM LIGHTING MASS AIR METER IS A GOOD CHOICE FOR ABOUT 30 MORE HP. THIS MOD. ALONE REQUIRES A NEW TUNED CHIP __________________ 98 cobra convt. 515 rwhp 421 torque..554 rwhp on 98 octane..635 rwhp this summer

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