drove 4.6 01 GT not impressed

[Dark_5.0]

I havent tried it yet.......More than likely a 12.0-12.3.

I have the nitrous but no slicks yet waiting till payday.

No way I would bet money against a car that has 400 RWHP.

My car is still a work in progress I still need 24# injectors and fuel pump before I run my nitrous by the end of May I should have it all done and get some track times.

I never race for money that would take the fun out or it.

BTW! Please dont try and tell me that you are running 83# injectors on a Naturaly aspirated engine.

You must run low 9's to burn up that much fuel N/A....

Hmmmm....

[Unit 5302]

Well, I was out test driving not too long ago. I drove a 95GT 5spd. Compared to my 87GT, it was a joke. Nothing past 4500rpm. Just plain nothing.

I bought a 2001 GT on Monday of last week. On the way home, I ran it vs my 87GT. From a 15mph roll the 87GT pulled it like nothing. I was in the 2001, and I did win the race, but it was looking real grim until my friend missed 2nd gear. The 5.0 with the Z spec 2.95:1 1st and 2.73:1 rear gears (not exactly a 1st gear car, LOL) pulled me by a car and was walking pretty good. I now have a 2002 GT due to undisclosed accident damage I found on the 01 the day after I bought it.

The fox 5.0's are no slouches when placed in the hands of a driver who knows what they are doing, and a lot of the new GT owners seem to have a pretty good sized ego. I know what the white 87GT in my driveway can do, and it was enough to put more than 1 LS1 into it's place, and it was well more than enough to put that 2001 GT into it's place.

[StoplightWarrior]

Originally posted by Unit 5302

and a lot of the new GT owners seem to have a pretty good sized ego.

Damn right I have an ego. And with good reason. When your record is 50+ wins and 5 losses, (to damn fast cars). You'll get one. Also, it does seem funny that almost everyone on here beats most of the other cars they come into contact with. for example, my GT even runs well with the LS1's Ive come into contact with so far. Something doesn't add up. I think somewhere out there are a bunch of "non-posters" who are losing most of the races they get involved with.


Oh yeah, they're called ricers. lol

[StoplightWarrior]

Oh, also, Unit, throw some gears, an H-pipe, and some drag radials on that new GT, and you'll have an ego real quick...

Have fun with the new ride!

[Blue01GT]

I have a 01 GT 5spd and i race often at the LA county raceway. its at 2900ft. I have raced plenty of stangs there, including a 1995 Cobra 5spd with mass air, cat back exhaust, and a throttle body. I was stock, and i smoked him! he ran a 14.90 and i ran a 14.45 And to top it off, he said that 14.9 was one of his better times! Ive also seen many other stangs up against eachother, and as far as stock goes, the 99ups are consistently faster. Of course theres lots of souped up, blown, ported, roll caged, squeezing beasts running 11, 10, 9, etc... but as far as "mostly stock" stangs go, the 99 ups are the fastest ive seen at the drag strip. period. and these are all serious enthusiasts who know their stangs and how to drag.


I also once raced an 89 fastback 5.0 up laurel canyon from sunset blvd. We were swerving and screaming up and down the canyon insanely! i think he was stock and i know i was. Each time we got our noses lined up, i would pull on him. He was solo, and i had my girl with me. He may have been auto, but his 5.0 seemed more like a 5-point-slow. I always kept him behind me...the 99ups are just faster.

I drove a WRX 5spd and the "feel" of the car feels faster than the GT, but at the track i get better times than a WRX. feeling is different than true speed. the 4.6 is just better...and isnt ford coming out with a modular block that is bored out to 5 liters? the mods are just more modern.

[Dark_5.0]

I think I probably have a record of 20-3 against the 99+4.6. 99+ cobra's own my ***, but there are some 96 cobras that are slow I thought they had 300 HPand some of them are running 14.6

On the other hand I am about 3-15 against LS1's

Im not taking bout street kills.....To "me" only track kills count cause you cant cheat the tree or the clock.

On some of my 4.6 kills they actually ran a better ET than me but I killed them on reaction time and beat them to the end.

Hell I guess I just like to race Win or lose...

Later,

[tireburner163]

Blue01GT : there's no feel to it. Unit raced his 87 GT against his former 01 GT. The 87 was pulling him until his friend missed second.

I can't help it the 95 Cobra driver was a bad driver.

Originally posted by Dark_5.0
I think I probably have a record of 20-3 against the 99+4.6. 99+ cobra's own my ***,

Im not taking bout street kills.....To "me" only track kills count cause you cant cheat the tree or the clock.

I dont know about where you live but i have yet to see a stock 99+ cobras run anything quicker than a 13.5 at the track (and im there atleast once a week). I have see plenty of stock 99+ GTs 13.7-13.8 range. The GTs launch so much harder because of the solid axle.

NOT trying to start a flame just sharing my experiences. On the road from a roll I have had my *** handed to me several times by 99+ cobras, but the track is a different story. I can usually pull a half a car before they hook. I try to always race cobras at the track. Thats how I test and tune. That is the next goal, be as fast as a stock cobra. Once that is achieved I will go for a modded cobra and so on.

[Dark_5.0]

Originally posted by 01silverstreak


I dont know about where you live but i have yet to see a stock 99+ cobras run anything quicker than a 13.5 at the track (and im there atleast once a week). I have see plenty of stock 99+ GTs 13.7-13.8 range. The GTs launch so much harder because of the solid axle.

NOT trying to start a flame just sharing my experiences. On the road from a roll I have had my *** handed to me several times by 99+ cobras, but the track is a different story. I can usually pull a half a car before they hook. I try to always race cobras at the track. Thats how I test and tune. That is the next goal, be as fast as a stock cobra. Once that is achieved I will go for a modded cobra and so on.

There a 3 or 4 99+ cobras that race at my track and they are not stock they all run 12s. I will have to spray to be able to compete with those.

I usually take the 4.6 GT's off the line and they start pulling on me towards the end.

My brothers friend has a 96' mistic cobra we all thought it would be fast...I rode in it and it felt faster than my car, but when we raced at the track I smoked him...I think he must not be able to drive all that well cause I think a 300HP car should be faster than a 14.6

When the 04' stangs come out I will get one, and then we will see if I develope an "EGO"

Later,

Dark 5.0 I know that this seems like a bashing session on 5.0's but I sold my 89 lx hatch for my 01. It was my first project car. Carbed '85 motor edelbrock carb 750cfm, edelbrock performer rpm intake, vic jr heads, headman longtubes, msd ignition, 4.10's, build t-5, 1.7 rr, f303 cam, i couldnt even break into 13's. I parted out the motor(gotta love ebay) and bought a crate 351w, same carb, shorty headers, high flow H, 100 shot, First pass out 13.1@105mph.
The moral of the story, aside from the freak 5.0's, it took work to get into the 13's. The "ego" that the 4.6 guys have is, it takes little to no work to get a 99+ into the high 13's. The "ego" is their stock car is keeping with or beating their modded 5.0 counterparts.
Its gonna be the same as the guys in the 2003 cobras running stock vettes they will start to kick the vettes *** and start to develop that "ego"

[tireburner163]

Originally posted by 01silverstreak
Dark 5.0 I know that this seems like a bashing session on 5.0's but I sold my 89 lx hatch for my 01. It was my first project car. Carbed '85 motor edelbrock carb 750cfm, edelbrock performer rpm intake, vic jr heads, headman longtubes, msd ignition, 4.10's, build t-5, 1.7 rr, f303 cam, i couldnt even break into 13's. I.

The moral of the story, aside from the freak 5.0's, it took work to get into the 13's.

If you couldn't break into the 13's with that combo you either can't drive or it was put together when you were drunk!!!

The doesn't take a lot to get a fox into the 13's

[Lizard King]

• tireburner163
• DARK5.0
and
• UNIT

THERE IS NO WAY STOCK FOR STOCK THAT 5.0 CAN OUT RUN 99+ GT (DRIVERS BEING MATCHED).

None. No way. Even with the freak 5.0 factor.

I'll put an exaust (prochamber with flowmaster mufflers) and power pulleys. Watch me for less than $650US in mods I will run LOW 13s. Try and do that with a 5.0.

[Dark_5.0]

Originally posted by Lizard King
• tireburner163
• DARK5.0
and
• UNIT

THERE IS NO WAY STOCK FOR STOCK THAT 5.0 CAN OUT RUN 99+ GT (DRIVERS BEING MATCHED).

None. No way. Even with the freak 5.0 factor.

I'll put an exaust (prochamber with flowmaster mufflers) and power pulleys. Watch me for less than $650US in mods I will run LOW 13s. Try and do that with a 5.0.

GTSR515 & Yan88GT both run 12.8's in pretty much stock stangs on slicks.

Look at some of the times at "the user rides" for 87-88 5 speed notch backs.

You may be right tha t if both drivers are matched the 4.6 will always beat the 5.0 stock vs. stock......As we well know all drivers are not equal.

Later,

[Lizard King]

Like I said... there is no way stock for stock a 5.0 can keep up to a 99+ GT drivers being equal. The 99GT+ is the fastest stock GT ever produced ... Ford said it them selves.

Oh and 12.8 with just slicks on a 5.0???? Yeah ok. I think you are forgetting some mods here, cuz those would have to be some pretty sick slicks... what do you do? Run a 1.4 60ft?

All I gatta say is bring it.

[Unit 5302]

My 87GT owned my 01GT. I raced them, side by side. I took the jump and I was in the 01 with a good fender lead at the time. By the time my friend was shifting out of 1st gear (blew 2nd), he had 1/2 car on me. Even an LS1 wouldn't have been able to close the pull and the gap he was putting on me.

Lizard, sorry, but you lose. You can say no way, no way, no way. I say yes way, and have seen it done with my two cars side by side. Although my friend missed 2nd gear, abruptly ending his chances to win outright, the scope of how he pulled me cannot be ignored. Just wasn't used to my clutch, or it would have been a 3+ car massacre from 15-80. Since I haven't sold the 87 yet, I will try to get a rematch vs my 2002. Rest assured, I will not pull any punches on the race, for either car. The 87 will be prepped to run for the first time, ever. I might even bump the timing on the thing past factory 10*.

There are STOCK engined 87-88 SD Mustang 5.0's running 12.80's. Stock intake, stock cam, stock heads. Intake spacer, CAI, gears, slicks, headers, H, and exhaust. Mr 5 0 has personally witnessed a stock SD LX run a 13.8 right in front of his eyes. With the mondo 2.73:1 rear gears, or even the optional 3.08's (w/5spd), it's hard to get a good hole shot out of the 5.0's. Coupe 5oh is running mid 13's with a nearly stock ex patrol coupe. He does have 3.27 gears and exhaust mods. That's down south, where the air isn't anything like up here. Trust me. I've been there, and I've been here in MN. The difference is very noticable.

[Unit 5302]

Originally posted by Lizard King
Like I said... there is no way stock for stock a 99+ GT can keep up to a 5.0 drivers being equal...

Jeez... I will give the 4.6L more credit than that. Hey, but if you say so. I guess the 99+ can't keep up with the stock 5.0.

[Lizard King]

Unit ... YOU LOOSE. The facts are in general a 5.0 will be beaten by a 99+GT when both stock.

You can come up with all the grandma stories you want... it is the truth. It is as well a fact that there are not to many STOCK 5.0s out there anymore... and there are not to many in Ottawa that can touch me at this point.

So instead of talking about exceptions why don't you admit it. STOCK FOR STOCK a 4.6 99+GT IS FASTER THAN A 5.0.

[Mercury]

Well, I hate to throw fuel on the fire for this debate, but today at the 5.0 Civil wars, I saw alot of modified Fox Body 5.0's go down to stock 4.6's.

There was a stock....100% stock Bullit running 13.61 at 101 MPH consitantly. We went and talked to the guy, Bone Stock..First time driving that car at the track..also with street tires on it.

[Dark_5.0]

I will conceed that 99% of the time a 5 speed 4.6 will take a stock fox stock vs. stock

But ill be damned if a stock 4.6 should beat a mildly moded (gears ,exhaust) 5.0 with a good driver, I am sure it happens often but I think that is more driver error than 4.6 superiority.

I always get a kick out of the guys that come to the track in there new GT's for the first time.....They automaticly start saying how they have a 13 second car, stock.....And attract the attention of the LS1 guys who repeatidly smoke there @ss on camera and post it in the LS1 forums.

Most 5.0's are not stock.......And I have noticed that most 4.6 drivers keep there cars basicly stock.....

The fact remains that the 5.0 is still king of the strip and the only cars that come close to the level of dominance that the 5.0 has enjoyed for over a decade is the LS1.

The stock vs. stock arguement is not worth having cause not many people race "stock" cars at the track. I admire the guys that do run fast times in stock cars.Unfortunately my car was a turd in stock form 15.2 @88 and after thousands of dollars I will probably run a mid 13 on slicks @3000ft.

So for those of you that do run in the 13's stock Congrats!!!

Later,

[Lizard King]

Dark, you make a nice point. Not to many 5.0s are stock anymore... and yes with an exaust and gears, they should hand our asses.

One of my buddies with a mint 5.0 (only 35K miles on it) runs pulleys, mufflers (not complete exaust) cold air and a set of 3.55s.
He ran today a best 13.8 at our track. It wasn't VHTed, hence fairly sliperry so his times where not the best, but I think he is good for a solid 13.6... Anyways I raced him tonight and he cleaned my clock by about a car lenght.

I know that you have conceeded your point DARK, but for Unit, the fact remains that a stock 225HP 5.0 and a stock 260HP 4.6 (2nd Gen) are not matched.

On another hand, with the Exaust I am putting on and pulleys I hope to pull some low 13s (13.1-13.2) ... so should be able to compete directly against the GM LS1 boys. Imagine if I throw some 3.73s and slicks...!!!! WOW!