According to numerous FORD technicians...

and the owners manual states 87 octane is the only gas u should burn, unless you have a supercharger. The Ford technicians said that our engine(4.6 or 3.8) is "desingned" to burn 87 octane and burning "premium" could make knocking/pinging worse, as well as harm the engine down the road! This is just really strange to me, wouldnt you want to burn a higher octance gas to keep to keep the injectors, valves, etc.. cleaner?? Whats your guys take on this, just curious??

[95mustanggt]

The technicians are largely correct. You shouldn't burn fuel with higher octane than 87. The stock engine is designed to burn 87 octane.

Now if you advance you timing, add a chip or supercharger, whatever, you may have to run higher octane fuel.

[Snakeman]

is not only a waste of money, but will lose you power.
i used to laugh at the guys running N/A, stock compression motors buying the race gas at the track and wondering why their ET got worse...

LOL!

my cobra says right on the cluster "use only premium unleaded fuel", of course with the blower, it is all that much more important to use a more stable (higher octane) fuel.

[Maroon 5.0 LX]

Today's higher octane fuels have the same additives as the 87 octane. The only thing you're doing is wasting money if you have a stock engine.

[98SNAKE]

I use sunoco 94 is that a waste? Ihave my timing set to 14 deg.

Will

[wally6761]

i've never heard of running 92 octane in an 87 and causing pinging. that's going against the grain. but i'm no expert.

for anyone who doesn't understand:
the octane rating of gasoline is a scale on which the burning characterstics of gasoline are COMPARED

[wally6761]

i've never heard of running 92 octane in an 87 and causing pinging. that's going against the grain. but i'm no expert.

for anyone who doesn't understand:
the octane rating of gasoline is a scale on which the burning characterstics of gasoline are COMPARED to gasoline. not how much octane it contains. it contains zero.

[wally6761]

i meant to say ' COMPARED to octane' not gasoline.

[blue00gt]

Higher octane gas will take higher temperature/pressure before it combusts than lower octane. That's why you need it for forced induction, advanced timing, or high compression; it prevents pre-ignition, which is when the explosion happens before the spark plug fires because of high pressures and temperatures. I can't really see how it would hurt anything to use higher octane gas, and it doesn't make much sense that it would make knocking/pinging worse. It's just a waste of money if you don't need it.

[Unit 5302]

If you use higher octane gas, it will not burn as quickly as lower octane fuel. Therefore, you can be left with partially unburned fuel and carbon buildup. Another note, super and premium fuel has a greater chance of containing ethanol, which will decrease your fuel economy.

Interesting and helpful feedback guys. Thanks for the responses! I've been burning 87 octane ever since I got my stang a few months ago, but my 2 prior cars said to use "premium" gas only.... thats why I asked.

[cobrazex]

I guess FORD must of made a mistake when they stamped "premium unleaded fuel only" on the fuel gauge on my 98 COBRA...........

[98SNAKE]

So should I continue to use 94 octane or am I waisting my money? Thanks.


Will

[StoplightWarrior]

I use 91 cause of my chip. Is that ok??

[95mustanggt]

Originally posted by StoplightWarrior
I use 91 cause of my chip. Is that ok??

If your chip instructions said to use 91+ octane you better. I have to run 92 octane + or I get detonation with my chip.

[SLOW 97]

Listen to that rating. I get waaaaaayyy better gas mileage when I use 87 (Not that I care about gas mileage). Premium is a waste of money. It confuses you EEC if you switch a lot too.

[tireburner163]

Originally posted by cobrazex
I guess FORD must of made a mistake when they stamped "premium unleaded fuel only" on the fuel gauge on my 98 COBRA...........

The GT uses 87 octane. Your Cobra uses the good stuff.

[Maroon 5.0 LX]

cobrazex ...

I do believe this string started talking about a car whose owner's manual stated it should use 87 octane, and most answers were geared to that question.

Obiviously, if you have a different engine, and the owner's manual states another octane, I would think Ford stated that for a purpose.

[wade73]

if i run anything in mine less than 91, the valves chatter like crazy. same thing with my old contour svt. since reading these threads i started using 87. no dif (well maybe 1 mpg (WAHOO!!) better). i am just running a pretty much bone stock 98 gt. any insight, people?

[Unit 5302]

Right off the bat I'll say it's not the valves, which aren't really directly affected by octane ratios.

The preignition generally happens when carbon built up on the piston (or cylinder head) creates a "hot spot." The hot spot is caused by the carbon holding a higher temperature than the metal, and it gets so hot that it inititates combustion before the spark. This is how a diesel engine works without spark plus by the way. Unfortunately, it's a lot more damaging in a gas powered vehicle because there is still a spark. The spark happens a fraction of a moment after the hot spot starts combustion from it's point. The two burning fronts eventually collide with one another which causes a powerful blast noted as an audible "ping" or "knock" from outside of the engine.

If you have been running higher octane fuel in your car for an extended length of time and you switch back to 87 octane, not only is there likely to be some carbon buildup due to incomplete burning (see one of my posts above), but the computer is also used to the 91 and it's adjusted for it.

Advancing timing causes an issue with lower octane fuel because of the burning properties. Lower octane fuel burns faster and is more explosive than high octane fuel. If you bump your timing too much, you wind up having the piston colliding with the flame front created by the spark. The piston is on the compression stroke, the spark goes off say 15* before the piston reaches the top "TDC" and the flame wave travels so fast, it runs into the piston. If your fuel burns slightly slower, like high octane fuel, your piston can reach the top before the flame front is at maximum force, thereby avoiding a powerful collision inside the engine.

87oct fuel doesn't normall have ethanol, which is generally formulated at 10% by volume in 89+oct fuels. Ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, I think about 104, so adding it is cost effective to increase octane ratings. Ethanol may also burn 50% cleaner than gasoline, but it requires 2x as much ethanol to get the same power as gasoline, so your car burns 2x as much of it. 10% (minimum) formulated ethanol gas will therefore reduce your fuel economy by .10 x .50 = .05 or 5%. That's about 1-2mpg.