Answer to the 390 H.P Cobra!!!!

[Downshift]

I love my Mustang but these cars are scary! They all have ls6 V8!!
390 to 400 Horspower!!!

www.gmmginc.net


What to you think?

[Doug McGinn]

Have you looked at the price tag on any of the cars?the transam says starting at 42,500 hahahah as long as price isnt an issue anymore why dont you just hop down and buy a new GT40 rated in excess of 500HP.For that kind of money i could goto town and lay down cash on about any vehicle i wanted but it certainly wouldnt be a pontiac or a chevrolet.You can bet money those cars have had everything done to them performance wise that could possibly be done to them.I could go down and buy a 2003 cobra slap a few more performance items on it to boost the power up over 400HP and still drive home with cash in my pocket.
Not to mention general motors is still using pushrod engines with large displacement to get horsepower.pushrod engines are a dead horse IMO general motors needs to look ahead to the future a little bit and design something new.Ford on th eother hand is pumping out 390+ horsepower from a small displacement V8 modular engine 281 cubic inches.
Hell theres guys out there pumping out 400 horse from their honda civics so really those cars arent that impressive to me.

[SLOW 97]

Not to mention the GM will have squeeks and rattles from the day you drive it off the lot!!! GM SUCKS!!! LONG LIVE FORD!

[Unit 5302]

I love the old pushrods are dead and old technology line. Overhead cam engines are older than pushrod technology. Thanks, but their giant 5.7L displacement engine is just as, if not more compact than the 4.6L.

Maybe somebody would like to tell me which engine is superior for naturally aspirated performance.

1) 302ci TFS TW Heads, Holley Intake, TFS #2 cam.

2) 302ci Boss. Stock heads, stage 1 cam, stock intake.

3) 281ci Ported/Polished PI Heads, Bullitt Intake, .550 lift cams.

I can tell you right now combo #1 is going to make somewhere in the neighborhood of 375hp, and combo #2 will be over 400hp. On top of that, you would be safe adding a 125hp shot of nitrous, on the stock bottom end, and even the stock top end if you were 1987-1992 for combo #1, and you could add a supercharger to combo #2 on the stock engine components pushing hp levels to 600.

OHV vs OHC. Neither means anything if the rest of the engine isn't put together with quality parts. The 4.6L's are nice little (displacement) engines. They take up a lot of space, and the SOHC engine doesn't offer exceptional performance potential without forced induction. Neither the DOHC or SOHC engines have good bottom end components.

As far as the question posted above, the stock 2003 Cobra is RATED at 390hp, but it's dynoing near 390rwhp, meaning it's making more like 450. You're talking a chubby Cobra running low/mid 12's on street tires at over 110mph through the traps. If Ford had actually kept an alumium block, and tried to keep the Cobra from becoming a tank with wheels, it would be a solid 11sec on drag radials trapping near 120. I'd take the Cobra. Personally, I'd rather have a 1999, or 2001 Cobra than a 2003 for the price difference.

[Turbo99GT]

Originally posted by Downshift
I love my Mustang but these cars are scary! They all have ls6 V8!!
390 to 400 Horspower!!!

www.gmmginc.net


What to you think?

I say BRING IT ON! I'm tired of beating on the local talent. With my built engine & P&P heads getting installed in a few days, it's only going to be harder to find a fast LS1 to race. I will have spent a total of 42K for a car that is built from end to end, 9 sec capable(10s all day) with working A/C, defroster and every other factory option. I was going to trade it in for a new Cobra, but decided to have an engine built and order P&P heads. All I'm missing is the warranty, damn.

[jax702]

Isnt that the same motor that comes in the Pickups....Atleast Ford is trying new things like IRS and 4v powerplants. Freaking chevy guys "My big displacemnt bow tie makes gobs of power", so what.....its still a piece of ****

[Unit 5302]

Originally posted by jax702
Isnt that the same motor that comes in the Pickups....Atleast Ford is trying new things like IRS and 4v powerplants. Freaking chevy guys "My big displacemnt bow tie makes gobs of power", so what.....its still a piece of ****

LOL, yeah, and the 4.6L GT engine and 5.4 SOHC and DOHC have never made their way into a pickup either.

Chevy had a 4V powerplant back in the early 90's. They called it the ZR-1, and it made about 400hp in the Corvette chassis. The Corvette has been IRS for a LONG time. IRS doesn't make for good launches, which is why the new Mach 1 is a solid axle. Where was Ford's DOHC technology back then? The Thunderbird had IRS starting in 1989, and 4 wheel disc brakes as early as 1987. The Mustang got the bottom of the barrel for a long time as Ford tried to kill it. How many of you know what the 1989 Probe was originally going to be? Yep. The new Mustang. Good thing enthusiasts screamed bloody murder.

I have to agree with GM building cheap, disposable vehicles, but they do make power. At least find legitimate complaints.

[jax702]

Whos side are u on anyway u *******!!!

[Unit 5302]

The side that hates GM, but always finds indisputable reasons to dislike their offerings (especially the F body). Hehehe.

Exceptable complaints for LT-1 Fbody are:

High compression
Poor reliability
Weak rear end
Crappy ergonomics
Poor outward visability
Rough ride
Flexible flyer chassis
Low quality interior
Strange fart-honk V-6 sounding exhaust
Dated appearance
Difficult to work on
Loss of power on higher mileage vehicles

Exceptable complaints for LS-1 Fbody are:

Is that a Chrysler Concord front mated to a Sebring rear?
Hey I like that SS scoop, NOT
High compression
Poor reliability
Weak rear end
Crappy ergonomics
Poor outward visability
Rough ride
Flexible flyer chassis
Low quality interior
Strange fart-honk V-6 sounding exhaust
Ugly
Limited aftermarket
Expected loss of power on higher mileage vehicles
Few people actually like them (discontinued)
Crappy valvetrain

So if you want a POS that goes fast, the LS-1 is a good choice, for a while. Good luck finding a good shape LT-1.

[jax702]

LMFAO @ fart-honk sounding exhaust...nice dude, very nice

[Unit 5302]

Forgot "hollow" fart-honk Cause it's a different fart-honk than a ricer. It's got that sounds like a V-6 with 10 catalytic converters and glasspacks with some loose hunk of metal up there somewhere making that rapping noise. You guys have to know what I mean?

fwauuggghhhhaaaawwooooauuuuuuooooooooggggggggghhhh hhhhgggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Something like that. Should be illegal to sound like a hi po exhaust was slapped onto their 2.8L V-6 engine. Also, ever notice how the 2.8L V-6 sounds like a quiet local transit bus?

[FireFinder20]

I was the moron owner of a '93 LT-1 6spd Formula and yes, it was a POS. It was a fast POS, though...capable of 12.68 @106 and change. I never popped a single head bolt doing it, just ram air, bypassed smog pump(belt), roller tip 1.6 rockers, 3.73 gears, Mickey Thompson Competitors, gutted cats and a Flowmaster 2 chamber muffler. Thing sat for half of the 2 years I had it, though, so I traded it for a BMW. That lasted exactly 4 weeks before I traded it for my first of 4 Mustangs and 1 Mark VII LSC. So far, all of my Mustangs have been POS as well, including my 2001 GT. Heh heh, I faced reality and realized that all of the engineering and quality go into the car companies' bread 'n' butter cars and econoboxes...(Variable valve timing and a six speed for a Focus?!?!?)

I guess Ford had to put a blower on that weak DOHC engine that GM has had a field day with since it's introduction on the Mustang in '96. I guess GM's thinking with the 350 cid is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I hear all of the bragging from the Ford fans, but we all forgot one small detail: you can still put a blower on those nasty LS-1 and LS-6 motors. So I ask, what then? I'm not impressed with a fast supercharged car, it should be fast. When my GT convertible breaks the 13s (on my way to the track now), then I'll be where my LT-1 started life(13.82 @102.7 best, first day at the track). That's sad to me, I have spent loot already and that should be the case. In the 80s, my car would be fast, but there are sedans now that are as fast as my car and I don't like that. I guess I'm done rambling....show me a modular going 12's with A/C, Mach 1000 stereo, leather power seats and no supercharger and then us Ford guys will have something to brag about.

[Doug McGinn]

The 2003 Mach 1 ran 12.97@105mph in the
quarter-mile at Fun Ford Weekend in Atlanta April 20.

You can see it here.
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/conc...ch1/index.html

So now i guess your all done rambling?

One key point you GM lovers seem to always omit is the fact that you also pay 3000.00 - 5000.00 more for a new camaro or trans am versus the final cost of the mustang.

My name is already on one of the 2003 MACH1 and im getting it for 28,445.00 minus rebate, i also went down and looked at a 2002 transam that wasnt even loaded and its MSRP was 32,000.00 and change.
The MACH already runs in the 12s,and with that extra 4000.00 i can add a few choice items and rip any GM piece of @#$% a new #$%@

[FireFinder20]

Well shut my mouth...I am impressed!

[Doug McGinn]

If thats not enough 2004 will see the Boss 302 reborn as a limited edition.Which rumor has it, will house a 302 C.I.
modular V-8 instead of the 281 C.I. 4.6 litre

[Unit 5302]

I've owned 5 Mustang's. They've all been reliable.

A 13.87 out of a bone stock LT1 is the new worlds record, and a 12.whatever is too.

You had the fastest LT1 in history, congrats.

[SLOW 97]

Hell yeah it will! Why do you guys think Ford Racing now sells Modular 5.0 blocks? They are test parts for the upcoming Boss 302!!! As for GT's that run 12's with all options and no blower there are plenty out there. Ask MUSTANG92. He runs mid twelves with very mild mods and NO BLOWER. It's mostly suspension mods that do the trick for him. And as for blowers on F-cars, NOBODY DOES THAT!!! Have you looked under the hood of 4th gen F-body? You have to do some serious rigging to get a centrifugal blower under the hood. Nobody modifies the 4th gen F-cars 'cause there's no damn aftermarket for them!!! Those cars are quite fast stock but they usually don't go much farther than that. The only mod LS-1 guys commonly do is the lid for the airbox which adds like 1 RWHP. Nobody does smart mods like gears on the GM's. You also gotta love the awesome skip shift feature on the 6-speeds. I don't know about you guys but skipping 2nd and 3rd is really fun!!!

[FireFinder20]

Well, I see a lot has happened in 24 hours...

13s from bone stock LT-1 6 speed FBodies is not unusual if you know how to drive. I had a Formula, not a Trans Am, so it was probably 200 lbs lighter. I did not have a full tank of gas, so that saved some weight as well. I guess next I'll hear that my 14.0 run on GS-C Goodyears with a 2.0 60' from a bone stock 2001 GT 5spd convertible is a record, as well. At any rate, I didn't say that GTs were not capable of 12s...not at all, my Pop has an 11 second 302 sitting in his garage. What I said was that Ford does not have a 12 second, fully optioned (that means Cobra R does not count) modular car without the benefit of a blower. That's all I was saying, GM on the other hand does...

As far as my 12 second runs with my 93 FBody, that took a LOT of trips to the track, good track conditions, a lot of help from a race engine builder friend of mine who taught me the art of drag racing and all of the sily little tricks that make a car run like hell. Ofcourse driving like a *******' animal helped as well - I swear I have a parts truck sitting in my driveway...heh heh.

[SLOW 97]

How in the hell do you figure a Formula is 200 pounds lighter than a T/A. I don't think leather and power windows/locks weighs 200 extra pounds. Maybe 5-10. I've actually taken down a 6-speed LT-1 (Not stock either. Has a few bolt-ons.) Slomaro w/ my weak stock '97 GT that makes a pavement melting 215 hp. Not to mention my car is auto. I beat him not once... but twice in a row. The problem with F-bodies their owners can't drive worth a crap.

[Doug McGinn]

Actually they did a weight comparison between the Mustang Bullitt and the GT and they foun dthat the Bullitt weighed about 200 pounds more,due to exactly that,heavier seats,thicker sway bars,ect...