SportsRoof or Mach 1??? HELP!

6T9PONY · 10-18-2001, 06:31 PM

Well, I started thinking after reading 1969Mach1's post about his Mach. And I'm wondering if my car is a Mach 1 or just a plain ole fastback. The info tag on the driver's door is gone, that's what is causing me problems. It has the Mach 1 high back buckets, black with red accent, and Mach 1 carpet, black with red inserts. But it does not have any wood grain dash parts, or the Mach 1 door panels. It has regular standard door panels.

Is there anything I can check to find out for sure which it is without the info tag on driver's door?

Here's the vin if that helps any: 9F02F221255.

TIA. Much appreciated.

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Previously "BennyBoy"
'69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8
Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads

Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

1969Mach1 · 10-18-2001, 08:46 PM

I've been told the Mach 1 has the little half-a-moon slots in the back for the exhaust to come out. Looks like this. lol
That is one way I was told of telling.
| __ __ |
|_/ \__________/ \_|

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1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration.
Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

1969Mach1 · 10-18-2001, 08:48 PM

I just noticed your posted the VIN the 02 means it is a Sportsroof
Check out http://www.vintage-mustang.com/topic...ml#body_serial
for further information.

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1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration.
Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

6T9PONY · 10-18-2001, 09:43 PM

It says it means Sportsroof because they changed the name to that from Fastback that year. There is no real "fastback" offered in 1969. It's the Sportsroof. There are 2 hyphens going through the fastback section of 1969.

By the way, I DO have the exhaust slots in the rear valance. But these valances are swapped very easily and ones like these can be purchased and put on.

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Previously "BennyBoy"
'69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8
Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads

Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

Shaggy · 10-19-2001, 03:09 PM

I know for 70 that the vin for fastback and mach one were different because all mach ones are fast backs but not all fast backs are not mach ones. I think that 69 is the same but would not swear to it.

69fastback · 10-20-2001, 12:51 AM

One real quick and easy well to tell is all the mach 1s have a clock in the dash of the passenger side. Alot of the other stuff is interchange able. I have some of the mach 1s on my car even though it is a sportsroof and not a mach 1. There is not a different vin number for a fastback or the mach one they are both 02s. What u really need is the body code cuz a 63B will have the luxury seats like a mach 1 but it is just standard sportsroof. 63C is the mach 1 code. But like i said look for the clock in the dash on the passenger side u cant miss it they are big. If u have that then it is a mach 1 for sure.

6T9PONY · 10-20-2001, 01:45 AM

Thanks guys. I was thinking it was just a fastback. There is no clock in the dash. I wish that damn tag was still on the door. That ticks me off when motards take those things off. They did it on my coupe too.

Thanks for all the help.

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Previously "BennyBoy"
'69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8
Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads

Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

David Fulford · 10-22-2001, 09:44 PM

The second F in the VIN indicates the car originally had a 2V 302. AAnd I don't believe the Mach 1's came with anything smaller than a 351. Dont' worry, my car has a door tag but it has a different VIN number than what is on the dash VIN. My car has every bell and whistle to make it a mach but unfortunately by the VIN I can tell it was produced with the 250 I6 motor.(definitely not a true mach but looks just as cool) Don't stress too much, it's still a classic mustang!!!!! Oh yeah, a true mach's rear fender vents actually vent down to the rear brakes for cooling.(So I've been told)

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1969 fast back; yellow; weld wheels; 302 roller with GT-40 heads; 3:55 gears; 5spd T-5; MSD 6AL; E-303; flows; Hedman headers; Holley 600;

Clark Rodgers · 10-23-2001, 10:25 AM

Sorry Dave,
Even Mach's did not come with the vents being functional, maybe a shelby but not a Mach. The Mach package was mainly a cosmetic upgrade to make it look more impressive. As far as the clock goes that is true if you have the round woodgrain one, I have a black rectangular clock on my sportsroof deluxe and it is not a Mach.

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69 351W Sportsroof deluxe

David Fulford · 10-24-2001, 01:59 PM

Clark, is it possible that my car was totaled and then salvaged or something way back when and re-registered with a VIN # that indicates a non mach VIN. I have the woodgrain dash and and the round clock on the passenger side. And it even has what looks to be the factory installed wiring going to the gauges and clock. But it has that "F" in the VIN. ?????

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1969 fast back; yellow; weld wheels; 302 roller with GT-40 heads; 3:55 gears; 5spd T-5; MSD 6AL; E-303; flows; Hedman headers; Holley 600;

Clark Rodgers · 10-24-2001, 02:37 PM

David,
I am not sure if I understand your question the "F" stands for the Dearborn plant but this is my vehicle code:9RO2M102413
9= 1969
R= San Jose Plant
02= Sportsroof
M= 351-4V
102413= Unit number
If yours is a Mach it should have the code 05 instead of 02. Also check the door tag as well, because I have a Sportsroof Deluxe and this meant I have the deluxe interior which includes the rectangular clock. The original owner also ordered my car with the front spoiler and louvers but did not like the rear wing so they left it off. What this means is the options can vary from car to car.

[This message has been edited by Clark Rodgers (edited 10-25-2001).]

David Fulford · 10-27-2001, 02:40 PM

I'm sorry, my VIN is 9F02F...... So it is probably not a mach. And I'm pretty sure it has had a different door put on because the warranty number on the door plate doesn't match the VIN. It also has 5 lug wheels with 10" drums all the way around which I thought would indicate it was at least a V8 car. But that would contradict that second F in the VIN. Anyway, I'll figure it out one day, until then I will just have fun owning it. I think someone actually spent alot of time and effort converting it over to a V8 car. Thanks for the input.

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1969 fast back; yellow; weld wheels; 302 roller with GT-40 heads; 3:55 gears; 5spd T-5; MSD 6AL; E-303; flows; Hedman headers; Holley 600;

6T9PONY · 10-28-2001, 07:13 PM

David Fulford- Can you send me some pictures of your car? My coupe was painted canary yellow and looked awesome. I am planning on painting the fastback the same exact color using Dupont IMRON paint again.

Email to ben_schmitt@hotmail.com

Thanks!

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Previously "BennyBoy"
'69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8
Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, STOCK HEADS SUCK!
Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

David Fulford · 10-29-2001, 07:13 PM

Sent them today. Let me know what you think.

6T9PONY · 10-30-2001, 12:36 AM

Pretty darn nice car. I think I'm gonna get both the front and rear spoilers, along with the rear window louvers. All black. I like the wheels you have. The Cragar DragStars, the ones you have, and my Centerline AutoDrags are my 3 favorite wheels.

I'll be sure to get some pics up of my car when it's done in a few months. Thanks for responding.

bs

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Previously "BennyBoy"
'69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8
Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, C4: TCI stall, B&M shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, STOCK HEADS SUCK!
Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

10-18-2001, 06:31 PM	#1
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	SportsRoof or Mach 1??? HELP! Well, I started thinking after reading 1969Mach1's post about his Mach. And I'm wondering if my car is a Mach 1 or just a plain ole fastback. The info tag on the driver's door is gone, that's what is causing me problems. It has the Mach 1 high back buckets, black with red accent, and Mach 1 carpet, black with red inserts. But it does not have any wood grain dash parts, or the Mach 1 door panels. It has regular standard door panels. Is there anything I can check to find out for sure which it is without the info tag on driver's door? Here's the vin if that helps any: 9F02F221255. TIA. Much appreciated. ------------------ Previously "BennyBoy" '69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8 Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

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10-18-2001, 08:46 PM	#2
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	I've been told the Mach 1 has the little half-a-moon slots in the back for the exhaust to come out. Looks like this. lol That is one way I was told of telling. \| __ __ \| \|_/ \__________/ \_\| ------------------ 1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration. Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

10-18-2001, 08:48 PM	#3
1969Mach1 HEY I CAN SET A NAME NOW! Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,556	I just noticed your posted the VIN the 02 means it is a Sportsroof Check out http://www.vintage-mustang.com/topic...ml#body_serial for further information. ------------------ 1969 Mach 1, 351 Cleveland, 4 Speed. going threw a mild restoration. Moving At The Speed Of Sound.

10-18-2001, 09:43 PM	#4
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	It says it means Sportsroof because they changed the name to that from Fastback that year. There is no real "fastback" offered in 1969. It's the Sportsroof. There are 2 hyphens going through the fastback section of 1969. By the way, I DO have the exhaust slots in the rear valance. But these valances are swapped very easily and ones like these can be purchased and put on. ------------------ Previously "BennyBoy" '69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8 Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

10-19-2001, 03:09 PM	#5
Shaggy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Houston,TX Posts: 466	I know for 70 that the vin for fastback and mach one were different because all mach ones are fast backs but not all fast backs are not mach ones. I think that 69 is the same but would not swear to it.

10-20-2001, 12:51 AM	#6
69fastback IRAQ VET Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: high desert California Posts: 1,480	One real quick and easy well to tell is all the mach 1s have a clock in the dash of the passenger side. Alot of the other stuff is interchange able. I have some of the mach 1s on my car even though it is a sportsroof and not a mach 1. There is not a different vin number for a fastback or the mach one they are both 02s. What u really need is the body code cuz a 63B will have the luxury seats like a mach 1 but it is just standard sportsroof. 63C is the mach 1 code. But like i said look for the clock in the dash on the passenger side u cant miss it they are big. If u have that then it is a mach 1 for sure.

10-20-2001, 01:45 AM	#7
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	Thanks guys. I was thinking it was just a fastback. There is no clock in the dash. I wish that damn tag was still on the door. That ticks me off when motards take those things off. They did it on my coupe too. Thanks for all the help. ------------------ Previously "BennyBoy" '69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8 Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, 290hp-stock heads Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

10-22-2001, 09:44 PM	#8
David Fulford Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 193	The second F in the VIN indicates the car originally had a 2V 302. AAnd I don't believe the Mach 1's came with anything smaller than a 351. Dont' worry, my car has a door tag but it has a different VIN number than what is on the dash VIN. My car has every bell and whistle to make it a mach but unfortunately by the VIN I can tell it was produced with the 250 I6 motor.(definitely not a true mach but looks just as cool) Don't stress too much, it's still a classic mustang!!!!! Oh yeah, a true mach's rear fender vents actually vent down to the rear brakes for cooling.(So I've been told) ------------------ 1969 fast back; yellow; weld wheels; 302 roller with GT-40 heads; 3:55 gears; 5spd T-5; MSD 6AL; E-303; flows; Hedman headers; Holley 600;

10-23-2001, 10:25 AM	#9
Clark Rodgers Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Rowlett,Texas Posts: 306	Sorry Dave, Even Mach's did not come with the vents being functional, maybe a shelby but not a Mach. The Mach package was mainly a cosmetic upgrade to make it look more impressive. As far as the clock goes that is true if you have the round woodgrain one, I have a black rectangular clock on my sportsroof deluxe and it is not a Mach. ------------------ 69 351W Sportsroof deluxe

10-24-2001, 01:59 PM	#10
David Fulford Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 193	Clark, is it possible that my car was totaled and then salvaged or something way back when and re-registered with a VIN # that indicates a non mach VIN. I have the woodgrain dash and and the round clock on the passenger side. And it even has what looks to be the factory installed wiring going to the gauges and clock. But it has that "F" in the VIN. ????? ------------------ 1969 fast back; yellow; weld wheels; 302 roller with GT-40 heads; 3:55 gears; 5spd T-5; MSD 6AL; E-303; flows; Hedman headers; Holley 600;

10-24-2001, 02:37 PM	#11
Clark Rodgers Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Rowlett,Texas Posts: 306	David, I am not sure if I understand your question the "F" stands for the Dearborn plant but this is my vehicle code:9RO2M102413 9= 1969 R= San Jose Plant 02= Sportsroof M= 351-4V 102413= Unit number If yours is a Mach it should have the code 05 instead of 02. Also check the door tag as well, because I have a Sportsroof Deluxe and this meant I have the deluxe interior which includes the rectangular clock. The original owner also ordered my car with the front spoiler and louvers but did not like the rear wing so they left it off. What this means is the options can vary from car to car. [This message has been edited by Clark Rodgers (edited 10-25-2001).]

10-27-2001, 02:40 PM	#12
David Fulford Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 193	I'm sorry, my VIN is 9F02F...... So it is probably not a mach. And I'm pretty sure it has had a different door put on because the warranty number on the door plate doesn't match the VIN. It also has 5 lug wheels with 10" drums all the way around which I thought would indicate it was at least a V8 car. But that would contradict that second F in the VIN. Anyway, I'll figure it out one day, until then I will just have fun owning it. I think someone actually spent alot of time and effort converting it over to a V8 car. Thanks for the input. ------------------ 1969 fast back; yellow; weld wheels; 302 roller with GT-40 heads; 3:55 gears; 5spd T-5; MSD 6AL; E-303; flows; Hedman headers; Holley 600;

10-28-2001, 07:13 PM	#13
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	David Fulford- Can you send me some pictures of your car? My coupe was painted canary yellow and looked awesome. I am planning on painting the fastback the same exact color using Dupont IMRON paint again. Email to ben_schmitt@hotmail.com Thanks! ------------------ Previously "BennyBoy" '69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8 Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, Hedman headers, 2 1/2" pipe, glasspacks, C4: shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, STOCK HEADS SUCK! Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback

10-29-2001, 07:13 PM	#14
David Fulford Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 193	Sent them today. Let me know what you think.

10-30-2001, 12:36 AM	#15
6T9PONY All about the Windsor. Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 2,052	Pretty darn nice car. I think I'm gonna get both the front and rear spoilers, along with the rear window louvers. All black. I like the wheels you have. The Cragar DragStars, the ones you have, and my Centerline AutoDrags are my 3 favorite wheels. I'll be sure to get some pics up of my car when it's done in a few months. Thanks for responding. bs ------------------ Previously "BennyBoy" '69 Coupe with 351W-I rolled it 8/8 Edelbrock RPM intake, Edelbrock RPM cam, Edelbrock 750 cfm carb, C4: TCI stall, B&M shift kit, 9" Currie: Trac-Lok 3.70s, STOCK HEADS SUCK! Starting Project "2ND COMING": 1969 Fastback