Tired Of It!
 

I'm sick and tired of all the 99 and up GT owners ragging on the 96 - 98 GT's. WE know the heads on the early MOD motors flow bad, we know the cars can be turds, but it is all we have. The purpose of the board is to help those who need help, and us 96 - 98ers need more than most. It would be the same if all the new 03 Cobra guys on here or Hammer was always saying, " the 99 up GTs are turds compared to my car, trade your POS in and get with the plan! ". Like my MOM always says, IF you don't have something good to say don't say anything at all.

SORRY , JUST HAD TO VENT!:)

P.S. - For all of you who don't know : 96 - 98 GT'S are Turds!

I second that motion...I'm in school, so a $2 roll of nickels seems like a damn good tip for the pizza guy to me. Trust me, if I had the money, I would have a newer car. But I had to save all through high school, and then combine my graduation money to barely get my car. I know it's not the best, but I went from an '84 toyota 4x4 w/ a 2.0L engine and a top speed of 50 mph (and it took a 2 mile stretch, a downhill road, and a prayer to get that). I like the hell outta my car. I know it's not the best, but it gets my adrenaline going.

Hell, I third the motion
 

You know what my 02 is like in reverse compared to my 66 chevelle. But I didn't buy the mustang for accelleration, well ok a little. I wanted to have a car set up more for handling, the chevelle sucked at it, the mustangs are way cheaper to set up then a F-bod. But I know what you guys mean some newer mustang owners are a$s mongrels and think they are god. They're not, thats what the chevelle's for handing new car owners their asses (except that nitrous assisted 400 sbc luv truck, ouch I got raped hard). The car that got me turned on to stangs was a friend of mine's 97 black GT, me and her would go riding in it. He he, I said riding. Talk at you guys later


DH

The Early Modulars Revolt!! hehe ;)

Yes, the stock heads suck, but you know what?

I've always liked the look of the 94-98 body style A LOT more than the current models.

And with the horsepower to back it up, I wouldn't change my car for anything....:cool:

I'm with Hammer. I much prefer the way my 97 looks to the 99. Heck, I could have bought a new car, I just wanted something reasonable quick, and you know what, its faster than all my friends cars too.

There is not a single thing about the 2003 cobra I could not do to my car. I could put that driveline in mine, and whoop some serious behind.

I may never sell this car, its so good looking that I think it will end up with the 65-66 while the angle ones fall with the 67-68.

When I first bought my Vert I got spanked at the track every weekend for a year. Now my 88 vert is pretty fast.

Anything can be fast with enough cash, If I liked the 94-98 body style I would get a 5.0. Peoples taste are different.

I very rarely see any 96-98 stangs at the track. And when I do see them they are pissed cause they only run mid 15's.

Back in 96' I had an LT-1 fireturd and I enjoyed racing the new stangs.

I think the 96-98 cars can be pretty cool sleepers when they are suped up cause noone expects them to be fast. If I pulled up to Hammer at a light and didnt here the blower whine I would think I was gonna smoke him.:eek:

Later,

I could understand if there were more than just heads that made our cars "turds" but there isn't... Personally, I would be doing a head change eventually whether it's the '94-'98 or a '99+...

The guys that call our beautiful cars "turds" are the same guys that can't stand anyone on the road to be "hotter" than them...

I bought my pony in '99 and chose to purchase a new '98 over the '99 for looks alone... The heads can always be changed...

And whether I sink $10K into a '98 or a '99+... it's still going to kick a@@ either way...

I think some of you guys take comments way to seriously. Nobody has gone out of their way to start a thread specifically bash the 96-98's, sure the comments come up in some posts and not everyone uses tach in delivering the info but really who cares. If you don't like it then do the work and prove them wrong, but fact still remains they came with less power and poorer flowing heads. Nothing you can do about what Ford offered in those years but improve upon it. It seems any time a comment comes up about the 96-98's all the 99-02 guys are targeted as biggots for saying something and the earlier guys ego gets bruised.

I don't exactly have a slow 4.6 but in some circles my car is considered a joke. At the track I get plenty of critism sometimes from the LS1 guys or the Cobra guys that look at my level of mods and say it's slow. Do I care? Sure to a point but not enough to let it bother me enough to get pissed off. The true racers out there appreciate my car for what it is just like a true Mustang enthusaist appreciates all years of Mustangs (except the 74-78's BLAH! :D ).

There are some LS1 guys, hardcore chevy guys, import guys, pushrod Mustang guys that look past the slicks and race seats on my car and realize that I've put lots and time and effort to get my car where it is with as little power mods as possible. Just like there are 99+ GT guys that can appreciate what some of the 96-98's guys have done even though they started off with a clear disadvantage. Do I feel bad for you? Not at all you made your choice in car just like I did over the 99 cobra. Fact is we all have what we want and will always mod and have fun with them.

Bill

It seems like your car is running damn good fgor your mods. IMO

i have to agree we all own mustangs some have older and some have newer i hved a 98 gt and even though it`s almost as fast as a stock 99+ with my mods i don`t like people ragging on them .what were we all supposed to do wait years in the hope the engine made more power before we bought one. i1m a mustang addict i couldn`t stand withdrawls for that long:D
so lets all play nice were all family here

it seems to me most of u older stang owners post asking 4 help how to make ur cars faster

ALL IN THE FAMILY
 

now lets not start a gen. war...as badass said "were all family here"....I will admit, though, that I do have a few 99+ GT's under my belt

96-98's are turds

hehe.....little humor there;)

ok ,


I have a 97 and have done alot to her and I am just as fast as a stock 99GT( this is with out the blower installed , that being put on soon) . And since its a 97 I had to make up the horse's that came stock on a 99' , so in my mind my car is faster , with the mods I have done I made up for 40+ horse's , so thats not bad. I have raced 99gt's before and I am right there with them , no one pulling on no one ..... so since I did not have to pay as much as the 99+ gt owners did, I feel that I am ahead of the game !!!! And when I get my blower on the car i really feel for them,,

But like what was said before , I was not going to wait til ford bumped up the horse power to get my car , and to me the newer stang's just don't look right !! But bottom line if you don;t like my car , OH WELL you don't pay the payments !

Also like what was also said above , all that needs to be done to a stock 96 to 98 to have more power than a 99+ gt's is just a head swap . 96 to 98Gt will make more power just with the head swap , so its not like there out of reach by no means ~~~!!!

And i really will feel for them when I port the 98 heads I got at the house , yes I know you going to say get the 99 pi heads , but with a blower on my car I can not put the 99 heads , p/p the 98 heads and put the blower back on and my everyday driver will be more than I can use.

I think people mix up a track car and a daily driver , I don't need more than 350 to 400 to the ground , if my 97 was a track car then maybe I could see doing all the goodies ..... but as it stands today I can run most cars on the street and then again there some out there that can run mine ,,,, but they don't look as good , hehehehehe

Do you have any track times? Or are you going by the butt dyno.

You're comparing a modified 97 GT to a stock 99 GT, do you think that the newer guys can't afford to mod their cars and leave them alone?

Bill

I personally don't see why this is such an issue...

The 99+ GTs are faster in a stock configuration than the 96-98... so what?

You ever seen the difference between an 83 GT and an 88 GT?

If you're into cars and racing, it's run what you brung.... and some people bring more than others.....

I could care less that some cars went faster than mine when it was stock when I'm picking up my time slip with "WIN" at the top of it...

I don't care that my car is slower than a new one.

It still pulls chicks.:D

I new I could count on you to chime in with something I would agree with:D

Amen!!

So what are stock 1\4 mile times and 0-60 times for 96-98 and 99+??? I always wondered, thanks

mustang92
 

I never said anything about the 99+ keeping there car stock ,,, if your car is faster I am happy for you , I think with mine about to have over 300 to the wheels is good for me ,,,, if you need more than that more power to you !!!! 96 to 98 look better any ways !!!


For the question at the stock eta for a 96 to 98 with a good driver you can get 14.7

for the stock 99+ with the same good driver you can get 13.8 ,


So it safe to say that 99+ are faster in stock form , there no question with that ,,,, but like mustang92 said " no body keeps there car stock " !!!!!


And like HAmmer said " top of the slip says WINNER is all that matters" !!!! HEll I even like camaro's , anything AMERICAN is cool with me ,,,, BURN RICE NOT AMERICAN !!!!!!!

Re: mustang92
 

My point was that we are talking about how disadvantaged the 96-98's are compared to the 99's in stock form. Once you start modifing that reasoning pretty much goes out the back door. The fastest 2V NA car out there is a 96 right now, granted with SVO heads and such but still a 96. As for the looking better part that is nothing more than opinion. :D I personally don't care for the 94-98 bodystyle but that's just me. I don't see how anyone could call this ugly: http://users.adelphia.net/~mustang-9..._02-Launch.jpg

300RWHP is no where good enough for me but I'm at the brink of pulling my car off the street. It's no longer fun to be under the constant threat of being arrested or having to deal with inexperienced ricers trying to drag race in rush hour traffic. My fun is at the track and that is what I want to concentrate on. During the winter I fully expect to be pushing very close to if not slightly over 300RWHP NA and with that into the 11's. Once I've hit that goal a full cage is going in for preparation for the NX kit sitting in my garage. :D

Bill

Re: mustang92
 

you sure about that, someone said on here people get pissed at the track when they can only run 15's someone said, no one takes a stock 96-98 stang to the track, whats up with that?

I love my red headed step child of a car...
Now that it's paid off...in goes the D.S.S short block and P&P 01' heads...forgetta 'bout it.

yea all stangs are p*ssy magnets just the other day there were a bunch of ricers at mcdonalds when i pulled in all the hot girls came over to look at my car and forgot about the rice now that`s what counts.:D

My car stock ran 15.1 @ 91MPH

1998 4.6 SOHC
AODE/4R70W (whatever you want to call it) Auto

Its hard running at the track...its tough, alot of things to keep in mind and no one time to think about those things to keep in mind.

I am not bashing anyone, I just never heard of a GT running 15s...my 94 Probe GT ran low 15s

She is No SLOUCH...
 

I recently raced at moroso at the MOPAR SHOW.......i ran a best of 12.832 @ 107.3 with 60' - 2.012 with 6 lbs boost on a vortech and nitto drag radials and a built motor capable of holding 22 lbs of boost...here is my personal web site www.geocities.com/Skarbonie and if you like you can visit my car club website out of miami florida..............http://www.pbase.com/image/2877041[/IMG].................................................. ............ Renegade Motorsports Car Clubwww.RenegadeMotorports.org [IMG]

ps
 

p.s. i forgot to mention she is my daily driver..........Tony Skarbonie

Re: She is No SLOUCH...
 

I hope it would run at least that fast you have PI heads and a fully built motor.

Bill

my point exactly.
 

My point exactly..considering my first pass bone stock was 15.811 @ 88.81 mPH............................................... .................................................. .................................................. ...........................
...question for Bill....How high is your rpm at about 65 on the highway with your rear gear?...im thinking on going up from 373, and i wanted it to be a significant difference, and i know that you have beat the hell out of the stang on the daily commute to work..does it give any kind of a heating problem?..http://www.pbase.com/image/2877041

bill......i would still like to note, no matter what i still cant get that front end off the ground...i am always impressed by that picture of your natrually aspirated 4.6......

How much for a supercharger?

:) Takes more than just power to get the front end up. In fact you'd be amazed how little power it takes, just need the right suspension for it.

Not sure of the RPM's I'm at when doing 65 since I never do 65. At 80 MPH with 4.30's I'm at 3100 RPM.

Bill

Ok..... I beg to differ, I own a 96 GT (The first year of the 4.6) . You wanna know something? My STOCK "turd" can hang almost bumper to bumper with a STOCK 2001. It's a great motor just not many aftermarket parts (HEADS!!!, For the love of god give me a choice!!)

96-98
 

Best looking body style by far. I will say that if you have a 96 convertible with an automatic its not gonna be very quick. But some ppl are less fortunate. I was pleased as punch when i picked up my 98 GT and if u have gobs of cash u can make a 96-98 GT beat up on a new cobra or anything else for that matter. I traded in my 98 GT for a 97 cobra and now I have a great motor with lots of potiential and still the best looking body style to boot.

To the gentleman with that girlish blue 2000 GT..nice launch but could someone plz tell him he is missing a head light assembly
:D

Do you really think your car will hang with any 99-02 GT? If you do you need to take the train back from fantasy land. Your car is not that fast I don't care how much of a factory freak it is. Fact is you just ran against poor drivers plain and simple.

Bill

i have a cobra and don't find it necessary to rag on the sn-95 4.6 gt's, i could also rag on the 99+ gt's for not having those extra 16 valves but i dont find it necessary, but if ANY mustanbg has rice on it no matter how fast it is, its still GAY and i will make fun of it.