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What is real oil capacity, manual/dealer discrepancy
I was in the process of having my oil changed for the first time and the oil change place said my car takes 6 quarts (including oil filter). My owner's manual says 5 quarts-I called the dealer and the guy said 5 and then shouted accross the shop at another tech who yelled back "it's 6 you dumbass!" whereby the first guy said "well, I guess it's 6 then". I had 6 quarts put in and now the dip stick reads above the full line. Oil change guy says all Ford dipsticks are inaccurate and not to worry! Who is the dipstick here?!! Should I have trusted my owner's manual? I put in synthetic 5w 30 Mobil and redline my car constantly-I dont want to have too much oil in the engine- help! I swear no one in this town knows diddly about cars, someone could make a fortune here by opening a decent performance shop.
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My dealer also tells me that it takes 6. Depending on how much is effectively drained out when I change my oil mine takes roughly 5 1/2 quarts. If I only use 5 after a while the oil light will come on. Bottom line - the 4.6's definately hold more than the 5.0's
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6 quarts the last time I checked for my car.
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This was debated on the Corral a while back and what it came down to is that the earlier year 96-98 owners manuals say 6 the newer say 5. Mine says 5 quarts and that is what I've always used. I redline my car on a daily basis (well almost) have over 50K miles on it and have never had a problem. The dip stick reads full at 5. Now the crap about the dip stick being wrong, bull$hit! Ford would have recalled it if there was a problem.
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My oil change place always puts in 6. When I asked them, it was the same story - they say the owner's manual is incorrect.
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No offense but the owners manual is correct. Go put in 5 quarts and it reads Full.
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i went through this crap with ford about two years ago. it is a fact that ford is retarded with their dipstick measurements so don't trust them.
it is also a fact that the 4.6 is supposed to take 6 quarts, no more no less. i was on the phone with an SVT tech about this and he assured me this is the case. my dipstick reads 3/4 full with 6 quarts?? ------------------ formerly 96cobra89lx306 (96Cobra/softtop-3.73,almdrvsht,fancontrl,steeda sbfrmes+shifter,eibachspgs,KYB's,FR-upper arms,Saleen copy-polished 18's,pulleys,Bassani X pipe(gutted),C&L 80mm Cobra DYNO 301rwhp horsepower before gutting the X pipe 93 Ford Probe Gt(slower but turns) |
You also have a 96 which is different.
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Different but the engines are the same 4.6 liters and require 6 quarts of oil.
I'm shocked that the manual says 5 and that the dipstick situation still hasn't been corrected. Are there other 99-01 GT/Cobra owners with manuals that read 5 quarts? |
Nothing to be corrected mine takes 5 quarts. There are plenty of other owners that say the same thing as me.
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According to Chiltons...
3.8L Mustang- 5.0 qts. 4.6L Mustang Cobra- 6.0 qts. 4.6L Mustang(Auto tranny)- 6.7 qts. 4.6L Mustang(Manual tranny)- 6.4 qts. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/confused.gif ------------------ Travis T-Bones 1997 Cobra#6342 born 6-11-97 http://members.home.net/tbone97cobra/sigpic.jpg Wht/blk, Pro 5.0,FRPP 4.56's, aluminum driveshaft, FRPP throttle body, C&L 80mm MAF, K&N, Steeda U/D pulleys, Steeda timing adjuster, Borla cat-back, BBK cat H-pipe, SFC's, FRPP pro springs, BBK caster/cambers. Best 1/8 E.T.-8.983 on street tires |
My manual says 5qts thats what I use, the dipstick says full. If you over fill your engine it will foam the oil and cause air pockets in the oil. For some stupid reason air doesn't lubricate as well as oil? Why would anyone trust a chitlins manual? If you think all 4.6L engines are the same check the part numbers of the oil pan! The idea that the dip stick is wrong, GET REAL. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
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Freddie apparently isn't aware of the dipstick problem that ran rampant on all 96 Cobras and other modular stangs after this as well.
I've had my car for some time now and I think I can tell if it is reading incorrectly. Let's see, I put in 6 quarts of oil and then then the dipstick reads 3/4 full. hmmm, I must be reading it wrong I guess. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/tongue.gif If the manual on the new cars have 5 for the new 4.6 SOHC, what about you guys with 99/01 Cobras? Anybody?? |
Snake, I don't know about your cobra. Maybe there was a problem 5 years ago! I was talking about the car in question, which is a 2000GT. If he puts 6 qts in he will over fill it. The 96-98 4.6l 2V used 6 qts the 99+ uses 5. If you have a problem with your dip stick, and it causes you to loose an engine you should get it replaced FREE by Ford, unless they inform you and replace the stick.Just, my .02 http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif
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Well the dipstick thing is probably one of those things Ford won't acknowledge and for my model year, there were other issues that were more important for Ford to address(cooling, and front control arm replacement)
Anyway, if Ford got the the dipstick thing together with the newer cars that's cool but I don't see why better flowing heads from the 99 and up model year SOHC requires less oil if the engines are the same 281 displacement as their brother engines from 96-98(including the hp increase for 98 too). I remember an article in MM&fast fords about them trying 5 quarts on a 4.6 and it seemed to make more power. Maybe Ford read that article.. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif [This message has been edited by 96SNAKE (edited 06-17-2001).] |
I've always put in exactly 6 Qts of synthetic 5W30 in my '98 SOHC and it reads exactly full. The manual says 6, I put in 6, and the dipstick reads full. Sounds fine to me! Of course, I let it drain for about 30-45 minutes, with the passenger side jacked up and the oil filter removed to make sure that as much of the oil comes out as possible. (yes, I'm anal!) Remember that the 6 qt capacity includes whatever oil didn't come out of the block. Once I run the engine, let it sit a while, then recheck it, it shows a little under exactly full, which I figure means the oil is now in the filter.
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You know instead of waiting 30-45 minutes you could just start the motor with the filter and drain plug out and rev it to 6K a few times and you'll be amazed how fast the oil comes out! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif
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I use 5 1/4 quarts in mine. Seems to be full by the stick. Some oil filters may differ a little in size too.
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I too put in 5 1/4 Qts!
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Well, I am proud to have started such a long thread but, alas, due to the debate on the correct level I am still limited to a position of faith. What to have faith in is the question. I just checked the oil level in my car, cold, and the reading is about 1/8 " above the full line. Is the oil level correct and the dipstick wrong, or vice verse? I am tempted to drain some oil! Which is the safest direction to go, drain and run the risk of being low, or leave as is and risk damage from too much oil? Either way I'm going to drive home flat out! If it blows up screw it, I'll but one of those electric cars that don't need oil!
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I just changed my oil and filter. After driving for approximately 1 day and allowing the car to sit approximately 1 hour, I rechecked the oil. It showed at the top of the full range. I used 5 quarts and a K&N oil filter. Therefore it is 5 in mine.
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99+, takes 5 quarts, my manual say's 5, I put in 5 and the stick reads right at full. The differance between the 96-98 SOHC and the 99+ is probably the oil pan. If you put in 6, then I would drain a quart, as its better to be a little low then over filled.
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Hey Bark!
Do you drive your with a cold engine? Does it stay cold while you are driving? Or do you drive with a warm engine? Check your oil with the engine up to temp! You will find it way over filled! Oil expands when hot! If you keep driving with it over full. The oil will foam. Causing lack of lubracation!! IMHO, MY .02 http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif ------------------ 14.16@97.53 3500lb race weight Silver 2001GT 4R70W auto K&N Silencer removed Magnaflow Mufflers Motorsports ccBreather |
Freddie: I checked my oil when hot, and the reading is slightly over full. Now based on the info I have (also see the ther posts) the dipstick cannot be trusted. I have been driving the car with 6 qts, dipstick reading slightly over full for about 3 weeks now, I wouldnt mind taking some of the oil out but just havent had time to go back to the oil change place, argue with the guy, tell him how to do his job, etc. He was defensive and very sure of himself when I debated the oil amount in the first place, and it didnt help my case when we called the dealer and they verified 6 qts. So basically I am in a quandry!
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Bark,
I would take the car back to the idiot that changed your oil. Take your manual and show him what it takes. Who ever he talked to at the dealer was wrong. Also I would find someone else to do the oil changes. To take out 1 qt. of oil all you have to do is change the filter and not add any extra oil. ------------------ M/M #411 14.16@98.3 3500lb race weight Silver 2001GT 4R70W auto K&N Silencer removed Magnaflow Mufflers Motorsports ccBreather |
I put 5 in mine. I have used two different Valvoline stations and I had one putting in 5 quarts the other 6 quarts.
Needless to say the 6 quarts was way to much and ended up slowing me down in quarter untill I drained some out. I just had it changed today and made sure they put in only 5 quarts. ------------------ 2000 GT Laser red-5speed,MAC Cold Air, MAC 2 1/2" Cat-Back, 3.27gears, Pro-5.0 shifter, Weld Draglite's 15x5 and 15x10, 275/50-15 DragT/A's, 165R15 front, BBK Underdrive pullies Items on car but not run at track yet-BBK offroad X-pipe Best Quarter mile run to date: 13.353@101.70/1.849 60'(4-29-01)Best MPH 101.70(4/29/01) |
My local Ford dealership put 7! in mine. I had to argue for an hour to get them to take it out....
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This all sounds fanmiliar.
My 96 snake came with the manual saying 6.0 quarts. The information distirbuted by Ford to all the various oil changes via the Ford vehicle database said 5.0 quarts. During a normal oil change, mine has always taken 5.5 quarts dead up to the full line. As for dipstick problems on the 96, this is the first I have heard of that. ------------------ 1996 Lazer Red Cobra #878 ProM-80, 36# Inj, JMS Chip, Vortech-SQ, Pro 5.0 shifter, Bassani-X, Borla Catback, 4.10s, FMS Alum Driveshaft |
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