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BLACK85GT 12-11-2002 08:41 PM

351w or 347 stroker? which is better?
 
Given the choice, which combo would be better for street,strip use, a stock 351w or a 347 stroker? I have both a 351w complete motor and a 302 complete motor that would need a stroker kit. They are both non-roller blocks. Would there be any benefit to doing a stroker 302 when i have a 351w. (I would need all the conversion items for the 351 to fox body). What do you all think? Decisions, decisions...

Eric4Nitrous 12-11-2002 08:47 PM

no substitute for cubic inches..

restridge 12-11-2002 09:34 PM

351w would be much cheaper.

82 GT 12-12-2002 03:23 PM

Why not just stroke the 351w to a 408? The money you would spend stroking the 302 could be used to stroke the 351.
It all comes back to how much $$$ you have to spend.

greydan 12-15-2002 12:34 AM

302-351w
 
I've thrown that one around myself. If You stroke the 302, you loose engine life. If you don't stroke the 351w, it lasts longer.
For me the 351W for street use is my choice. For the strip, a stroked 351w would be turning faster ET's for a few bucks more...concidering it all costs alot $$$$ in any case.

tireburner163 12-15-2002 01:23 AM

If you want the motor to last more than 50K miles use the 351W

flyin 5.8 12-15-2002 07:11 PM

Dollar wise I'd go with a 392ci stroker. If I remember right a 392 is a 3.85" storke crank, 351w rods and 302 pistons. FRPP sells the crank (I think it's like $500?) and if you can't or don't want to use the 302 pistons you have, stock type pistons should be cheaper than the stroker ones.

IMHO
Brian

Where is Clawson,MI

sn95gt19 12-16-2002 10:14 AM

i have a 347, and to tell you the truth i could have built a 351 for the same exact price. (a stroker) check out ebay, there are companys on there with ebay "stores" and they have everything for a stroker, (i would piece one together) forged 347-408 cranks for 300.00 brand new. you will save probably 200.00 on each thing you buy if you go through ebay. i would only buy from the stores though and from people.

WADS56 12-16-2002 10:52 AM

A 347 will make more power then a 351 in the SAME conditions.

Agent_4573 12-16-2002 11:14 AM

I would go with the 351 just for longevity. I'm sure the horsepower numbers are close to being the same and the 351 is almost garenteed to last longer.

Agent_4573 12-16-2002 11:25 AM

I would go with the 351 just for longevity. I'm sure the horsepower numbers are close to being the same and the 351 is almost garenteed to last longer.

7000rpmisheaven 12-16-2002 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WADS56
A 347 will make more power then a 351 in the SAME conditions.
You should probably explain that.

82 GT 12-16-2002 04:13 PM

I think what WADS56 was trying to say is that if both engines had same compression,heads,intake,cam,induction and exhaust etc. that the 347 would still make more power than the 351.
Actually, a 347 really has 350 cubic inches of displacement but they didn't want to advertise it as a "350"

7000rpmisheaven 12-17-2002 08:55 AM

I am not trying to argue at all. I'm just curious cause I don't understand why one would make more power than the there. Even being a 350 as you say I still don't understand. If every part of the setup thats affects flow or power production on both motors (compression, heads, cam, ...etc), why will one make more power than the other.

WADS56 12-17-2002 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 7000rpmisheaven
You should probably explain that.
I was waiting for someone to call me out on that:p A 347 which uses a smaller crank journal than a 351 will free up a few ponies right there. Also, the .030 over bore on the 347 will hep the intake flow beter then the 351 with the standerd bore. This will not make huge power gains over the 351, but it will make more:D And as far as the 351 lasting longer....? I don't agree with that either. If it was a 600hp motor then yes, a 351 is a much stronger block. But if this was a 350-400hp motor, they will last the same.

Wade

7000rpmisheaven 12-17-2002 09:28 AM

Thanks. I had a feeling it was something like that. Can someone tell me which is better for longevity smaller or larger crank journals. I would guess smaller.

82 GT 12-17-2002 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WADS56
I was waiting for someone to call me out on that:p A 347 which uses a smaller crank journal than a 351 will free up a few ponies right there. Also, the .030 over bore on the 347 will hep the intake flow beter then the 351 with the standerd bore. This will not make huge power gains over the 351, but it will make more power
It might make a little more HP but will it make more torque?
Torque is what give you the low E.T and HP give you the MPH at the traps.
Does the 347 have a longer stroke than the 351w?
With all things being equal, then I would say the engine with the longer stroke would give you a slightly better E.T.

WADS56 12-17-2002 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 82 GT
It might make a little more HP but will it make more torque?
Torque is what give you the low E.T and HP give you the MPH at the traps.
Does the 347 have a longer stroke than the 351w?
With all things being equal, then I would say the engine with the longer stroke would give you a slightly better E.T.

A 347's stroke is 3.400 and a 351 is 3.500. That is very little and I'm not sure if that will even make a difference. Were talking about 4 little cubes here which is nothing. Look at it this way the .030 overbore makes up for the 4 cubes, and the smaller journals the 347 has put it over the top. Now if you stroke the 351 that would change it all

tireburner163 12-17-2002 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WADS56
And as far as the 351 lasting longer....? I don't agree with that either. If it was a 600hp motor then yes, a 351 is a much stronger block. But if this was a 350-400hp motor, they will last the same.
I dissagree. The rod/stroke ratio on a 347 far worse than the 351W. The 347 will be using oil WAY before the 351W. Which is why I say.....If you want the motor you last more that 50K miles, go with the 351W.

Mustang_289 12-18-2002 07:52 AM

I'm not an expert by any means - but I've heard a punched out 302 to 347 is a good powerplant but it's not reliable over the long-term.

my 2cents - all these posts pretty much say the 347 and 351 are pretty close. if you've got both blocks I would suggest going with the 351 as it can always be stroked to 392 or 408 I believe.


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