Mach 460 system ?s...for you stereo guys

SCOTTLT79 · 06-12-2001, 10:55 AM

hey,
I have a 95 GT with the Mach 460 sound system in it. It also has the stock cd player in it. Now the system kicks *** as for sound but the cd player sucks. It keeps making some winding type of noise everytime I put a cd in and it won't play it for a while.

I'm looking to get a new stereo but will it not be as loud because they have to bypass the stock amps or what? I really don't know too much about stereos and I also would like to get a speaker box in the future so if you guys could give me some advice and maybe a few good head units to look at(cd player please) it would be greatly appreciated.
thanks guys and gals
Scott

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95 Red Mustang GT
Pro 5.0
MAC fenderwall cold air induction kit
Mostly stock(looking to modify)

ronny50 · 06-12-2001, 11:03 AM

I had a 96 GT with a Mach 460 that I removed for a Custom stereo.

Big pain in the A**.

You have to remove everything. Wiring , speakers and harnesses because the speakers run on a different ohm load then a aftermarket CD player.

The mach 460 CD player does take awhile to load CD's.

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1990 GT 5k Original miles!!
Ripper,Pullies,73 MM C&l Mass Air,8mm Wires,Piaa Headlights,MAC Cold Air (Fender)

SCOTTLT79 · 06-12-2001, 11:12 AM

its not that it takes a while to load the cd, it just keeps making this noise like it is eating the cd over and over again.
Also, just had to add if you guys know anywhere to get good prices on stereos too, either online or stores.
thanks

blueneonman1 · 06-12-2001, 11:50 AM

In my 95 GT I gutted the Mach 460 completely cause it doesn't have the bass or high end that I want. I sold the whole system (wiring, speakers, radio, amps) for $70 to my friend's girlfriend and installed it in her Taurus. It works great there. I replaced it with Pioneer Premier head unit, 4-channel amp and Infinity Kappas all the way around. Now, the highs are crystal clear and the sub-bass is unbelievable. I'll admit that the Mach 460 is good, but paper-cone speakers can only go so far. My advice...gut the whole system and sell it on E-Bay for like $200 (I've seen it selling there for like $300). For the new audio equipment, go to http://www.audio-warehouse.com. I work for them and they are the 2nd largest audio site on the net w/ great prices. Cont'd...

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Blueneonman - '95 5.0L Mustang GT Convertible | K&N Custom Cold Air Intake | FMS 9mm Wires | Hollow Cats | Flowmaster 2 Chambers | BBK Subframes | 6-pt Rollcage | King Cobra Clutch | FMS Adjustable Clutch Cable | Coolest Neon Lighting on a Mustang EVER!

Homepage: http://www16.brinkster.com/blueneonman/

Best time: 14.578 @96.20mph

blueneonman1 · 06-12-2001, 11:57 AM

As far as replacing the system. You WOULD have to gut it completely because the amp/crossover that controls the door speakers and mirror pod speakers routes only certain frequencies to them. If you were to just replace them with coaxials, they would sound like crap. Also, the mirror pod speakers are only 2-1/2" mid/highs. To my knowledge, no good company makes that type of speaker, so I put in a 2" tweeter and filled the remaining 1/2" with spray foam which also holds the tweeter in. The job is perfect. 5x7's are in the doors. In the rear are 5-1/4" i believe and then more 2-1/2". Get ready for a big job but it will be worth it trust me. If you have any questions, I can give great advice and explain in detail blueneonman@hotmail.com
Good luck!

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Blueneonman - '95 5.0L Mustang GT Convertible | K&N Custom Cold Air Intake | FMS 9mm Wires | Hollow Cats | Flowmaster 2 Chambers | BBK Subframes | 6-pt Rollcage | King Cobra Clutch | FMS Adjustable Clutch Cable | Coolest Neon Lighting on a Mustang EVER!

Homepage: http://www16.brinkster.com/blueneonman/

Best time: 14.578 @96.20mph

redsn95vert · 06-12-2001, 12:14 PM

I found out just after I gutted mine that you can get an adapter harness from Crutchfield for like $50 and used all of the Mach460 componets.

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95 GT convertable, 3.73 gears, bbk off road h-pipe, march underdrive pullies, Saleen wires, custom made cold air induction,
Cobra intake w/ 65mm tb
GT40 heads, flowtech headers

SCOTTLT79 · 06-12-2001, 12:19 PM

hey blueneonman,
thats sounds like a ****load of work and $ for someone who has no idea what they are doing in there.
I know how to do work to my car but as for the stereo, I'm all thumbs in there.
I'm guessing that would cost a pretty penny to have someone else do all that work and also for all the parts. Any estimates?

Lexicon · 06-12-2001, 12:22 PM

There are a number of amp bypass kits available that will allow you to bypass the amp without removing it from the car. Check with a local installer in regards to harness availability. Leave the amp and hold on to the system in case you see yourself selling the car. I suggest a nice head unit with CD Changer controls and a 4 channel amp. Invest in a set of new sills from a 460-less car and install component drivers (seperate speakers/drivers for each frequency range) in the sills for the tweeters. 6 1/2 drivers for the doors, and adapter will need to be fabricated. and mid base drivers for the rear. Again, adapters may be required for the rear. Image Dynamics has a very good setup that has many awards backing it. I installed a similar setup in my car and if anyone would like details, photos or assistance, email me direct.

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1994 GT, Performance "Ticket" Red. Stock block with E-303 Cam, 351 "Boss Spec" Heads, Crane 1.7 Rockers, Cobra R Intake, Griffin Aluminum Radiator, BBK 70mm TB, FMS Aluminum Drive Shaft, FMS Clutch "Cobra", BBK Headers, BBK H-pipe, Pro 5.0 Shifter, Zoom Clutch Qradrant. All mating surfaces are port matched and clean, Car is lowered and is factory look. Sound sytem: Sony MD Head Unit, Sony 10-disc with memo Changer, Alpine DSP Equalizer and BBE Center, Image Dynamics Component Drivers (2high

SCOTTLT79 · 06-12-2001, 02:08 PM

ok, so I'm screwed.
I just went to a local stereo shop and he pretty much said what you guys seem to be saying just in a language I could understand. I'll be spending a ****load of money if I want a new head unit
This sucks

blueneonman1 · 06-12-2001, 08:38 PM

It is allot of work, but not allot of money.

As far as knowing what you are doing, I am no pro either. All I did was disconnect everything and take it out. If you can undo inside panels, you'll be ok. You dont even have to take out the amps, just run new wires and get a new headunit.

As far as money, if your just looking to replace the headunit, a descent CD player costs $150. Wire spools and connectors, $10. The speakers may be the most money, but like I said it's all worth it in the long run. Check out that site I mentioned for some good specials on headunits.

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Blueneonman - '95 5.0L Mustang GT Convertible | K&N Custom Cold Air Intake | FMS 9mm Wires | Hollow Cats | Flowmaster 2 Chambers | BBK Subframes | 6-pt Rollcage | King Cobra Clutch | FMS Adjustable Clutch Cable | Coolest Neon Lighting on a Mustang EVER!

Homepage: http://www16.brinkster.com/blueneonman/

Best time: 14.578 @96.20mph

TEXSN95 · 06-13-2001, 03:02 PM

I put in a JVC aftermarket head unit and it was simple. I bought a $15 harness at best buy, and it plugged into the factory wire plug that went to the old head unit, and the wires from the harness to the player were color coded so it was easy to connect. It's kinda hard to explain, but anyone with an IQ of 25 can do it. It took an hour or so.

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Clint L.
White 95 Cobra #3637
58cc GT40X heads with mild porting, Crane 2031 cam, FRPP 65 TB, 1.7s, Cobra intake, homeade cold air, 155lph, pullies, Tokico Illuminas, C springs, GW LCAs, Kenny Brown super subs, Steeda CC plates, aluminum driveshaft, Steeda quadrant, B&M ripper, Kirban FPR, MSD6A, Taylor wires, Mac shorties, off road hpipe, 2 1/2 ultra flows w/ dumps, R hood, Euro clear corners, stock 3.08s
13.61 @ 104.7 w/ 2.22

[This message has been edited by TEXSN95 (edited 06-13-2001).]

SCOTTLT79 · 06-13-2001, 05:54 PM

Hey TXSN95,
I was just curious as to how the new system with the JVC headunit sounded compared to the old system. I like the sound of the system now but the cd unit pisses me off.
Thanks

TEXSN95 · 06-13-2001, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SCOTTLT79:
Hey TXSN95,
I was just curious as to how the new system with the JVC headunit sounded compared to the old system. I like the sound of the system now but the cd unit pisses me off.
Thanks

It sounded alot better...check your email.

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Clint L.
White 95 Cobra #3637
58cc GT40X heads with mild porting, Crane 2031 cam, FRPP 65 TB, 1.7s, Cobra intake, homeade cold air, 155lph, pullies, Tokico Illuminas, C springs, GW LCAs, Kenny Brown super subs, Steeda CC plates, aluminum driveshaft, Steeda quadrant, B&M ripper, Kirban FPR, MSD6A, Taylor wires, Mac shorties, off road hpipe, 2 1/2 ultra flows w/ dumps, R hood, Euro clear corners, stock 3.08s
13.61 @ 104.7 w/ 2.22

green94droptop · 06-13-2001, 08:36 PM

I have the mach 460 sound system in my 94 gt. I have been in Blueneonman's car before and as he mentioned: gutting the system is your best route for sound quality. His sounds a heck of a lot better than mine.

But if your just looking for a cd player to replace the stock cd player, any aftermarket is good. Anything is better than the stock crap they put in there because you'll be getting more wattage from an aftermarket one; although in theory, you shouldn't really need it considering Ford's setup of 460 watts going thoughout the system. But besides that, just get yourself a brand new head unit for now. Quality might jump up a little because of the wattage issue. Get one with atleast the power of 40w per channel. But keep in mind those speaker can't really hand much so you might have to tweak the bass/trebble settings.

Installation was cake for me. Do yourself a favor and get the connector from Best Buy or someplace ($20). It will save you the trouble of cutting wires and will probably be much neater.

It will come with two connectors: one for premium sound (mach 460) and one for just a regular setup if you didn't get the option. You'll also need a "amp integrator" harness. Should run you about $25.

You shouldn't need any other hardware except for 14-16 gauge splice connetors from anywhere (blue color).

Good luck.

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Green '94 GT conv. -- K&N filter charger, FMS 9mm wires, Accel hipo cap/rotor, 180* thermo, 14* timing, off road H-pipe in front of 2 chamber flow's, Steeda subframe connectors w/ crossbrace, and still workin' on the rest!

My 'Stang

AtaxicStanger · 06-13-2001, 08:41 PM

I had my 460 head unit replaced with a nice Premier. Most shops quoted big dollars, some even said that I needed to gut the whole system. I ended up taking it to a small shop that specializes in high end installs. They charged $35.00 total(parts and labor) to install and it sounds much better than stock.

Al

06-12-2001, 10:55 AM	#1
SCOTTLT79 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Raynham, Ma, USA Posts: 189	Mach 460 system ?s...for you stereo guys hey, I have a 95 GT with the Mach 460 sound system in it. It also has the stock cd player in it. Now the system kicks *** as for sound but the cd player sucks. It keeps making some winding type of noise everytime I put a cd in and it won't play it for a while. I'm looking to get a new stereo but will it not be as loud because they have to bypass the stock amps or what? I really don't know too much about stereos and I also would like to get a speaker box in the future so if you guys could give me some advice and maybe a few good head units to look at(cd player please) it would be greatly appreciated. thanks guys and gals Scott ------------------ 95 Red Mustang GT Pro 5.0 MAC fenderwall cold air induction kit Mostly stock(looking to modify)

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06-12-2001, 11:03 AM	#2
ronny50 Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: madison, WI Posts: 70	I had a 96 GT with a Mach 460 that I removed for a Custom stereo. Big pain in the A**. You have to remove everything. Wiring , speakers and harnesses because the speakers run on a different ohm load then a aftermarket CD player. The mach 460 CD player does take awhile to load CD's. ------------------ 1990 GT 5k Original miles!! Ripper,Pullies,73 MM C&l Mass Air,8mm Wires,Piaa Headlights,MAC Cold Air (Fender)

06-12-2001, 11:12 AM	#3
SCOTTLT79 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Raynham, Ma, USA Posts: 189	its not that it takes a while to load the cd, it just keeps making this noise like it is eating the cd over and over again. Also, just had to add if you guys know anywhere to get good prices on stereos too, either online or stores. thanks

06-12-2001, 11:50 AM	#4
blueneonman1 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Palm Harbor, FL Posts: 208	In my 95 GT I gutted the Mach 460 completely cause it doesn't have the bass or high end that I want. I sold the whole system (wiring, speakers, radio, amps) for $70 to my friend's girlfriend and installed it in her Taurus. It works great there. I replaced it with Pioneer Premier head unit, 4-channel amp and Infinity Kappas all the way around. Now, the highs are crystal clear and the sub-bass is unbelievable. I'll admit that the Mach 460 is good, but paper-cone speakers can only go so far. My advice...gut the whole system and sell it on E-Bay for like $200 (I've seen it selling there for like $300). For the new audio equipment, go to http://www.audio-warehouse.com. I work for them and they are the 2nd largest audio site on the net w/ great prices. Cont'd... ------------------ Blueneonman - '95 5.0L Mustang GT Convertible \| K&N Custom Cold Air Intake \| FMS 9mm Wires \| Hollow Cats \| Flowmaster 2 Chambers \| BBK Subframes \| 6-pt Rollcage \| King Cobra Clutch \| FMS Adjustable Clutch Cable \| Coolest Neon Lighting on a Mustang EVER! Homepage: http://www16.brinkster.com/blueneonman/ Best time: 14.578 @96.20mph

06-12-2001, 11:57 AM	#5
blueneonman1 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Palm Harbor, FL Posts: 208	As far as replacing the system. You WOULD have to gut it completely because the amp/crossover that controls the door speakers and mirror pod speakers routes only certain frequencies to them. If you were to just replace them with coaxials, they would sound like crap. Also, the mirror pod speakers are only 2-1/2" mid/highs. To my knowledge, no good company makes that type of speaker, so I put in a 2" tweeter and filled the remaining 1/2" with spray foam which also holds the tweeter in. The job is perfect. 5x7's are in the doors. In the rear are 5-1/4" i believe and then more 2-1/2". Get ready for a big job but it will be worth it trust me. If you have any questions, I can give great advice and explain in detail blueneonman@hotmail.com Good luck! ------------------ Blueneonman - '95 5.0L Mustang GT Convertible \| K&N Custom Cold Air Intake \| FMS 9mm Wires \| Hollow Cats \| Flowmaster 2 Chambers \| BBK Subframes \| 6-pt Rollcage \| King Cobra Clutch \| FMS Adjustable Clutch Cable \| Coolest Neon Lighting on a Mustang EVER! Homepage: http://www16.brinkster.com/blueneonman/ Best time: 14.578 @96.20mph

06-12-2001, 12:14 PM	#6
redsn95vert Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Rochester Posts: 323	I found out just after I gutted mine that you can get an adapter harness from Crutchfield for like $50 and used all of the Mach460 componets. ------------------ 95 GT convertable, 3.73 gears, bbk off road h-pipe, march underdrive pullies, Saleen wires, custom made cold air induction, Cobra intake w/ 65mm tb GT40 heads, flowtech headers

06-12-2001, 12:19 PM	#7
SCOTTLT79 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Raynham, Ma, USA Posts: 189	hey blueneonman, thats sounds like a ****load of work and $ for someone who has no idea what they are doing in there. I know how to do work to my car but as for the stereo, I'm all thumbs in there. I'm guessing that would cost a pretty penny to have someone else do all that work and also for all the parts. Any estimates?

06-12-2001, 12:22 PM	#8
Lexicon Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Evansville, Indiana Posts: 182	There are a number of amp bypass kits available that will allow you to bypass the amp without removing it from the car. Check with a local installer in regards to harness availability. Leave the amp and hold on to the system in case you see yourself selling the car. I suggest a nice head unit with CD Changer controls and a 4 channel amp. Invest in a set of new sills from a 460-less car and install component drivers (seperate speakers/drivers for each frequency range) in the sills for the tweeters. 6 1/2 drivers for the doors, and adapter will need to be fabricated. and mid base drivers for the rear. Again, adapters may be required for the rear. Image Dynamics has a very good setup that has many awards backing it. I installed a similar setup in my car and if anyone would like details, photos or assistance, email me direct. ------------------ 1994 GT, Performance "Ticket" Red. Stock block with E-303 Cam, 351 "Boss Spec" Heads, Crane 1.7 Rockers, Cobra R Intake, Griffin Aluminum Radiator, BBK 70mm TB, FMS Aluminum Drive Shaft, FMS Clutch "Cobra", BBK Headers, BBK H-pipe, Pro 5.0 Shifter, Zoom Clutch Qradrant. All mating surfaces are port matched and clean, Car is lowered and is factory look. Sound sytem: Sony MD Head Unit, Sony 10-disc with memo Changer, Alpine DSP Equalizer and BBE Center, Image Dynamics Component Drivers (2high

06-12-2001, 02:08 PM	#9
SCOTTLT79 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Raynham, Ma, USA Posts: 189	ok, so I'm screwed. I just went to a local stereo shop and he pretty much said what you guys seem to be saying just in a language I could understand. I'll be spending a ****load of money if I want a new head unit This sucks

06-12-2001, 08:38 PM	#10
blueneonman1 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Palm Harbor, FL Posts: 208	It is allot of work, but not allot of money. As far as knowing what you are doing, I am no pro either. All I did was disconnect everything and take it out. If you can undo inside panels, you'll be ok. You dont even have to take out the amps, just run new wires and get a new headunit. As far as money, if your just looking to replace the headunit, a descent CD player costs $150. Wire spools and connectors, $10. The speakers may be the most money, but like I said it's all worth it in the long run. Check out that site I mentioned for some good specials on headunits. ------------------ Blueneonman - '95 5.0L Mustang GT Convertible \| K&N Custom Cold Air Intake \| FMS 9mm Wires \| Hollow Cats \| Flowmaster 2 Chambers \| BBK Subframes \| 6-pt Rollcage \| King Cobra Clutch \| FMS Adjustable Clutch Cable \| Coolest Neon Lighting on a Mustang EVER! Homepage: http://www16.brinkster.com/blueneonman/ Best time: 14.578 @96.20mph

06-13-2001, 03:02 PM	#11
TEXSN95 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: college station, tx Posts: 143	I put in a JVC aftermarket head unit and it was simple. I bought a $15 harness at best buy, and it plugged into the factory wire plug that went to the old head unit, and the wires from the harness to the player were color coded so it was easy to connect. It's kinda hard to explain, but anyone with an IQ of 25 can do it. It took an hour or so. ------------------ Clint L. White 95 Cobra #3637 58cc GT40X heads with mild porting, Crane 2031 cam, FRPP 65 TB, 1.7s, Cobra intake, homeade cold air, 155lph, pullies, Tokico Illuminas, C springs, GW LCAs, Kenny Brown super subs, Steeda CC plates, aluminum driveshaft, Steeda quadrant, B&M ripper, Kirban FPR, MSD6A, Taylor wires, Mac shorties, off road hpipe, 2 1/2 ultra flows w/ dumps, R hood, Euro clear corners, stock 3.08s 13.61 @ 104.7 w/ 2.22 [This message has been edited by TEXSN95 (edited 06-13-2001).]

06-13-2001, 05:54 PM	#12
SCOTTLT79 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Raynham, Ma, USA Posts: 189	Hey TXSN95, I was just curious as to how the new system with the JVC headunit sounded compared to the old system. I like the sound of the system now but the cd unit pisses me off. Thanks

06-13-2001, 08:36 PM	#14
green94droptop Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Central FL Posts: 59	I have the mach 460 sound system in my 94 gt. I have been in Blueneonman's car before and as he mentioned: gutting the system is your best route for sound quality. His sounds a heck of a lot better than mine. But if your just looking for a cd player to replace the stock cd player, any aftermarket is good. Anything is better than the stock crap they put in there because you'll be getting more wattage from an aftermarket one; although in theory, you shouldn't really need it considering Ford's setup of 460 watts going thoughout the system. But besides that, just get yourself a brand new head unit for now. Quality might jump up a little because of the wattage issue. Get one with atleast the power of 40w per channel. But keep in mind those speaker can't really hand much so you might have to tweak the bass/trebble settings. Installation was cake for me. Do yourself a favor and get the connector from Best Buy or someplace ($20). It will save you the trouble of cutting wires and will probably be much neater. It will come with two connectors: one for premium sound (mach 460) and one for just a regular setup if you didn't get the option. You'll also need a "amp integrator" harness. Should run you about $25. You shouldn't need any other hardware except for 14-16 gauge splice connetors from anywhere (blue color). Good luck. ------------------ Green '94 GT conv. -- K&N filter charger, FMS 9mm wires, Accel hipo cap/rotor, 180* thermo, 14* timing, off road H-pipe in front of 2 chamber flow's, Steeda subframe connectors w/ crossbrace, and still workin' on the rest! My 'Stang

06-13-2001, 08:41 PM	#15
AtaxicStanger Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Waukesha, WI Posts: 59	I had my 460 head unit replaced with a nice Premier. Most shops quoted big dollars, some even said that I needed to gut the whole system. I ended up taking it to a small shop that specializes in high end installs. They charged $35.00 total(parts and labor) to install and it sounds much better than stock. Al