Failed New Jersey Emissions

RMARIANI · 05-04-2001, 11:36 AM

Big surprise!! My '89GT failed inspection last week for emissions. My exhaust (headers, high flow (2) converter H-pipe, and flowmasters) is only about a year old. The car is running great. Here's the question. Would my code scanner help identify the part or parts that need to be replaced?

Stang_ROTY · 05-04-2001, 11:39 AM

did you try backing off the timing and running the motor lean??

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In progress for Spring:

93 GT less motor and tranny, 8 pt cage, chute,
Sothside Machine bars & Sub-frames, 3.73's
'69 393 stroker Edlebrock Performer heads, Performer RPM Upper & Lower Manifold..Crane Gold 1.6 Rollers..BBK 70MM TB & cats..30lb Injectors..Cartech Fuel System..

jimberg · 05-04-2001, 12:06 PM

A code scanner could help, but it may also be helpful if you include more information about your car. What test did you fail and by how much? What modifications do you have? New heads? Timing? What gasoline do you use? Etc. Give us some background and maybe we can help.

My '89 with a 351W and hi-flow cats passes with better scores than my wife's '91 V6 Probe.

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351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

05-04-2001, 12:10 PM

Did they give you a printout telling you which component of the inspection you failed? If it was the visual inspection, then the parts you used aren't smog legal - but you seem to be OK there.

In California, the printout also gives you the allowable measurements for your car for CO2, O2, hydrocarbons, CO, and NOx, along with the actual readings your car produced. If you failed on hydrocarbons, your engine is running too rich. Someone else might be able to tell you what would cause failures in the other categories - I don't want to steer you down the wrong path.

Hope this helps...

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Greg
91 LX Convertible

dinomite · 05-04-2001, 02:13 PM

The easiest way to pass emissions is to pull an injector. 1 less cyl. making emmisions, but you now have one that is just pumping clean air.

RMARIANI · 05-04-2001, 02:30 PM

Yes I did receive a printout. I failed NOx by about 300 points. My car is basically stock. I bought it used about 3 years ago. I think it has a cam in it but that's probably about it as far as mods. I always use Amoco Ultra 94. Would pulling the injector really work? Would they check that in the re-inspection. Thanks for all the help!!

jimberg · 05-04-2001, 02:55 PM

NOx emissions are caused by excessive heat in the combustion chamber.

EGR is the primary emissions component that deals with NOx. You can check your EGR valve by applying vacuum to it while idling and your car should stall or start running poorly. If it doesn't, that means your EGR valve isn't opening when it should, which would lead to higher combustion chamber temps. A code would likely be generated for this. The EGR vacuum control solenoid can also be bad, but again, a code will be generated for that.

You need air being pumped to the cats for the cats to work. Are you sure your air tube is connected and that your air pump is pumping air?

You may be running too lean because your O2 sensors are starting to fail. I'd replace them if you haven't recently. Make sure your timing is set at stock and if it is already, don't waste your money on 94 octane gasoline.

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351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

SmokeyDP · 05-04-2001, 03:17 PM

I failed NOx in NJ by 800. It was determined my cats could be bad (EGR was tested and they said it was fine, but now I get codes from the EGR a few months later...go figure). I retarded the timing A LOT. The car felt like slower than a V6, but I passed NOx and that was the only thing I did. I am not sure of the exact timing I had, but I went from 15 to below 9.

Scott

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1992 GT 5.0L Convertible
BBK Shorties, Flowmasters, Super Chip, Mass Air, Under Drive Pullies, Hurst Shifter, Duck Tape
AIM: SmokeyDP

redrider · 05-04-2001, 07:39 PM

Best bet is to contact my friend owner of Race Related.com in Clearwater Florida. He says he can get anyone to pass even past those Gestapo Jersey jerk offs. I know I live in Jersey over 4 years ago. You should move to Tampa.

I have a 351 carb '88 GT pullin 10's on Nitrous. Don't have to worry about the Jersey jerk offs any more.

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88 GT mass air conversion from 90lx, Cobra Intake(ported/polished lower),Edlebrock Heads(ported/polished),24# injectors 70 mm BBK TB, 73mm C&L, 347 SB, Wolverine custom cam, 150 shot Nitrous, BBK 1 3/4 long tubes, BBK off road H pipe, Dynomax cat back, alum driveshaft, Konis,Southside Bars w chromemoly torque boxes,AOD w lentech valve body, B&M MegaShifter, 4.10 with Auburn diff, SVO springs, subs, cross drilled rotors,MSD A6 w ign retard, black magic fan etc.

05-04-2001, 11:36 AM	#1
RMARIANI Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: New Jersey Posts: 167	Failed New Jersey Emissions Big surprise!! My '89GT failed inspection last week for emissions. My exhaust (headers, high flow (2) converter H-pipe, and flowmasters) is only about a year old. The car is running great. Here's the question. Would my code scanner help identify the part or parts that need to be replaced?

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05-04-2001, 11:39 AM	#2
Stang_ROTY Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Berkshire County - Massachusetts Posts: 735	did you try backing off the timing and running the motor lean?? ------------------ In progress for Spring: 93 GT less motor and tranny, 8 pt cage, chute, Sothside Machine bars & Sub-frames, 3.73's '69 393 stroker Edlebrock Performer heads, Performer RPM Upper & Lower Manifold..Crane Gold 1.6 Rollers..BBK 70MM TB & cats..30lb Injectors..Cartech Fuel System..

05-04-2001, 12:06 PM	#3
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	A code scanner could help, but it may also be helpful if you include more information about your car. What test did you fail and by how much? What modifications do you have? New heads? Timing? What gasoline do you use? Etc. Give us some background and maybe we can help. My '89 with a 351W and hi-flow cats passes with better scores than my wife's '91 V6 Probe. ------------------ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

05-04-2001, 12:10 PM	#4
cleangreenmachine Guest Posts: n/a	Did they give you a printout telling you which component of the inspection you failed? If it was the visual inspection, then the parts you used aren't smog legal - but you seem to be OK there. In California, the printout also gives you the allowable measurements for your car for CO2, O2, hydrocarbons, CO, and NOx, along with the actual readings your car produced. If you failed on hydrocarbons, your engine is running too rich. Someone else might be able to tell you what would cause failures in the other categories - I don't want to steer you down the wrong path. Hope this helps... ------------------ Greg 91 LX Convertible

05-04-2001, 02:13 PM	#5
dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	The easiest way to pass emissions is to pull an injector. 1 less cyl. making emmisions, but you now have one that is just pumping clean air.

05-04-2001, 02:30 PM	#6
RMARIANI Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: New Jersey Posts: 167	Yes I did receive a printout. I failed NOx by about 300 points. My car is basically stock. I bought it used about 3 years ago. I think it has a cam in it but that's probably about it as far as mods. I always use Amoco Ultra 94. Would pulling the injector really work? Would they check that in the re-inspection. Thanks for all the help!!

05-04-2001, 02:55 PM	#7
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	NOx emissions are caused by excessive heat in the combustion chamber. EGR is the primary emissions component that deals with NOx. You can check your EGR valve by applying vacuum to it while idling and your car should stall or start running poorly. If it doesn't, that means your EGR valve isn't opening when it should, which would lead to higher combustion chamber temps. A code would likely be generated for this. The EGR vacuum control solenoid can also be bad, but again, a code will be generated for that. You need air being pumped to the cats for the cats to work. Are you sure your air tube is connected and that your air pump is pumping air? You may be running too lean because your O2 sensors are starting to fail. I'd replace them if you haven't recently. Make sure your timing is set at stock and if it is already, don't waste your money on 94 octane gasoline. ------------------ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

05-04-2001, 03:17 PM	#8
SmokeyDP Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Middlesex, NJ Posts: 212	I failed NOx in NJ by 800. It was determined my cats could be bad (EGR was tested and they said it was fine, but now I get codes from the EGR a few months later...go figure). I retarded the timing A LOT. The car felt like slower than a V6, but I passed NOx and that was the only thing I did. I am not sure of the exact timing I had, but I went from 15 to below 9. Scott ------------------ 1992 GT 5.0L Convertible BBK Shorties, Flowmasters, Super Chip, Mass Air, Under Drive Pullies, Hurst Shifter, Duck Tape AIM: SmokeyDP

05-04-2001, 07:39 PM	#9
redrider Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: seffner, Florida, usa Posts: 95	Best bet is to contact my friend owner of Race Related.com in Clearwater Florida. He says he can get anyone to pass even past those Gestapo Jersey jerk offs. I know I live in Jersey over 4 years ago. You should move to Tampa. I have a 351 carb '88 GT pullin 10's on Nitrous. Don't have to worry about the Jersey jerk offs any more. ------------------ 88 GT mass air conversion from 90lx, Cobra Intake(ported/polished lower),Edlebrock Heads(ported/polished),24# injectors 70 mm BBK TB, 73mm C&L, 347 SB, Wolverine custom cam, 150 shot Nitrous, BBK 1 3/4 long tubes, BBK off road H pipe, Dynomax cat back, alum driveshaft, Konis,Southside Bars w chromemoly torque boxes,AOD w lentech valve body, B&M MegaShifter, 4.10 with Auburn diff, SVO springs, subs, cross drilled rotors,MSD A6 w ign retard, black magic fan etc.