Auto to 5 speed

1hot5.0 · 10-13-2002, 10:28 PM

I have a 1991 LX 5.0 vert with an AOD automatic in it. I really want a t-5 5 speed in my car. What is the absolute cheapest I can do this for including having someone install everything for me? What can I buy used, and what should I buy new? Thanks everyone!

PKRWUD · 10-14-2002, 06:18 AM

Just a very important note for you to remember:

If you also install the ECM from a 5 speed car, make sure you cut and tape the wire that goes to pin #30 at the 60 pin connector. Otherwise, you will fry the new ECM.

Take care,
~Chris

WADS56 · 10-14-2002, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PKRWUD
Just a very important note for you to remember:

If you also install the ECM from a 5 speed car, make sure you cut and tape the wire that goes to pin #30 at the 60 pin connector. Otherwise, you will fry the new ECM.

Take care,
~Chris

What conections are those, and what do they do?

TwiLighTBluEGT · 10-14-2002, 11:41 AM

1Hot50, you are better off just selling your car and buying a 5spd. If you keep your car, just get some 3.73's or 4.10's with a nice lockup converter and you will whip 5spds all day and night.

1hot5.0 · 10-14-2002, 12:16 PM

Quote:

1Hot50, you are better off just selling your car and buying a 5spd. If you keep your car, just get some 3.73's or 4.10's with a nice lockup converter and you will whip 5spds all day and night.

Its that much of a pain?

MiracleMax · 10-14-2002, 12:32 PM

No, not really, the hardest part is putting the new pedal cluster in. I'd say its a weekend job. If you've ever had to change the brake booster, or converted from power to manual brakes, you've done half the job right there.

fiveohpatrol · 10-14-2002, 12:55 PM

Its not that much of a pain at all. Just take your time, and its actually a very straightforward job.

1hot5.0 · 10-14-2002, 01:54 PM

I just called a mustang performance ship here and they sell a kit with a used t-5, new clutch (I forgot what he said it was called, but he said it was a little stronger than a king cobra clutch), New bell housing, and everything else I would need for $1,495. To install everything, it would be $560. Is this a good deal?

fiveohpatrol · 10-14-2002, 02:13 PM

That sounds like a somewhat reasonable price on the install to have it done professionally, but the kit seems a high.

I did my swap and ended up only out about $200. but I got a good deal on a used T-5 and sold my fairly fresh AOD for $425

I spent $300 on a new clutch kit/fork/pilot bearing/adjustable cable and quadrant, and about another $300 or so on a used T-5, pedals, bolts, and flywheel with resurface

I'd estimate it took me a total of about 9-10 hours for the whole swap, although I did a little bit at a time.

If I were you, I'd get some friends to come over for the weekend and tackle the job yourself.

I've also got a used T-5 that needs synchros, but is otherwise in good shape, that I can sell you for $275 if you decide to piece it all together instead of buying that overpriced kit.

Sonics2042 · 10-14-2002, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1hot5.0
I just called a mustang performance ship here and they sell a kit with a used t-5, new clutch (I forgot what he said it was called, but he said it was a little stronger than a king cobra clutch).

Dual centerforce clutch?

I would say that is a decent price...Is there any expressed guarentee with the work?

Thanks,
DoranW

1hot5.0 · 10-14-2002, 11:04 PM

I didn't ask him, because I am about 4 months off from doing it, but he did say that no one has ever come back with any complaints....

PKRWUD · 10-15-2002, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 1hot5.0
I didn't ask him, because I am about 4 months off from doing it, but he did say that no one has ever come back with any complaints....

Maybe that's because the tranny fell apart, and they couldn't get there...

Take care,
~Chris

whoops · 10-15-2002, 08:30 AM

Hi 1hot5.0,
I too am interested in the swap. Would you mind sending me some of the information you've been able to find dealing with parts lists, companies to get the parts, etc?

I'd greatly appreciate it.

LX XLR8R · 10-15-2002, 09:49 AM

things you need

*tranny
*bellhousing
*clutch
*clutch cable
*clutch/brake cluster including the paw and quadrent/or aftermarket one peice metal setup
*gas pedal
*pilot bearing
*shifter
*new center boot and trim

fiveohpatrol · 10-15-2002, 10:09 AM

also
* pivot ball for bellhousing (should have one already in a used one)
* flywheel, with new bolts
* 2 bellhousing bolts, or washers to take up the space in the 2 upper, longer AOD bolts. The other 4 bolts from the AOD can be reused.
*Pressure plate bolts, and dowl pins for the flywheel
*T-5 backup light wiring harness. This has a jumper for the neutral safety switch and the plug for the backuplight plug on the T-5
*Speedometer gear

I think that added to LX XLR8R's list covers pretty much everything

It sounds like alot, but its really not. I would suggest maybe finding a wrecked car to part out, or find someone that wants to swap to an auto. This way you know that you'll have everything there.

I used to have a great link for the swap, including pictures and a full parts list, but I can't find it now

LX XLR8R · 10-15-2002, 10:46 AM

i knew i missed stuff!

whoops · 10-15-2002, 10:53 AM

I had access to a car that was being parted out, but it was sold from under me. Does anyone have information I'd be able to find for local (to me) places for parts, cars, etc? I'm in Colorado and I'm having trouble locating local clubs and such.

Thanks again for all the information.

Justin

1hot5.0 · 10-15-2002, 06:21 PM

Whoops, Ill look for a performance shop in your area. Good luck. I am not going to do my conversion until march. If I find anymore info Ill post it.

10-13-2002, 10:28 PM	#1
1hot5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 172	Auto to 5 speed I have a 1991 LX 5.0 vert with an AOD automatic in it. I really want a t-5 5 speed in my car. What is the absolute cheapest I can do this for including having someone install everything for me? What can I buy used, and what should I buy new? Thanks everyone! __________________ 91 Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible AOD Mdifications: K&N filter, Mac Catback, BBK aluminum u/d pulleys. Last edited by 1hot5.0; 10-13-2002 at 11:21 PM..

10-14-2002, 06:18 AM	#2
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Just a very important note for you to remember: If you also install the ECM from a 5 speed car, make sure you cut and tape the wire that goes to pin #30 at the 60 pin connector. Otherwise, you will fry the new ECM. Take care, ~Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

10-14-2002, 11:41 AM	#4
TwiLighTBluEGT Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 157	1Hot50, you are better off just selling your car and buying a 5spd. If you keep your car, just get some 3.73's or 4.10's with a nice lockup converter and you will whip 5spds all day and night. __________________ 1991 Mustang GT Conv: 58,000 original miles, 2nd owner. Engine: FMS 65mm tb/spacer, C&L 73mm maf, MAC cai. Drivetrain: Built AOD w/ Edge 2800rpm lockup converter, hardened 3-4 inner shaft, Trans-Go shift kit, B&M supercooler, FMS 3.73 gears & aluminum d/s, rebuilt traction lock. Exhaust: BBK unequal length shorty headers, BBK o/r h-pipe, Flowmaster 2 chamber mufflers. Chassis/suspension/brakes: Kenny Brown supersubs. The rest is stock.

10-14-2002, 12:32 PM	#6
MiracleMax Registered Member Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Hayes, Va, USA Posts: 798	No, not really, the hardest part is putting the new pedal cluster in. I'd say its a weekend job. If you've ever had to change the brake booster, or converted from power to manual brakes, you've done half the job right there. __________________ 2002 5M GT (99% stock) 1991 5M LX (30% stock) patiently awaiting my satin silver 07 Mach 1, and don't forget the shaker

10-14-2002, 12:55 PM	#7
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	Its not that much of a pain at all. Just take your time, and its actually a very straightforward job. __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

10-14-2002, 01:54 PM	#8
1hot5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 172	I just called a mustang performance ship here and they sell a kit with a used t-5, new clutch (I forgot what he said it was called, but he said it was a little stronger than a king cobra clutch), New bell housing, and everything else I would need for $1,495. To install everything, it would be $560. Is this a good deal? __________________ 91 Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible AOD Mdifications: K&N filter, Mac Catback, BBK aluminum u/d pulleys.

10-14-2002, 02:13 PM	#9
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	That sounds like a somewhat reasonable price on the install to have it done professionally, but the kit seems a high. I did my swap and ended up only out about $200. but I got a good deal on a used T-5 and sold my fairly fresh AOD for $425 I spent $300 on a new clutch kit/fork/pilot bearing/adjustable cable and quadrant, and about another $300 or so on a used T-5, pedals, bolts, and flywheel with resurface I'd estimate it took me a total of about 9-10 hours for the whole swap, although I did a little bit at a time. If I were you, I'd get some friends to come over for the weekend and tackle the job yourself. I've also got a used T-5 that needs synchros, but is otherwise in good shape, that I can sell you for $275 if you decide to piece it all together instead of buying that overpriced kit. __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

10-14-2002, 11:04 PM	#11
1hot5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 172	I didn't ask him, because I am about 4 months off from doing it, but he did say that no one has ever come back with any complaints.... __________________ 91 Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible AOD Mdifications: K&N filter, Mac Catback, BBK aluminum u/d pulleys.

10-15-2002, 08:30 AM	#13
whoops Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Broomfield, Colorado Posts: 53	Auto to T5 Hi 1hot5.0, I too am interested in the swap. Would you mind sending me some of the information you've been able to find dealing with parts lists, companies to get the parts, etc? I'd greatly appreciate it. __________________ Justin '89 LX 5.0L AOD, notch back (STOLEN 11/21/02 at 4 am!)

10-15-2002, 09:49 AM	#14
LX XLR8R Dirk Diggler Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: SLOATSBURG, NY Posts: 1,931	things you need tranny bellhousing clutch clutch cable clutch/brake cluster including the paw and quadrent/or aftermarket one peice metal setup gas pedal pilot bearing shifter *new center boot and trim __________________ 95 undecided cubes, AFR 185s,undecided cam, undecided intake, and a 150 hit 89 "turbonotch" 2.3T You might want to hold on..i saw this on a cartoon once

10-15-2002, 10:09 AM	#15
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	also * pivot ball for bellhousing (should have one already in a used one) * flywheel, with new bolts * 2 bellhousing bolts, or washers to take up the space in the 2 upper, longer AOD bolts. The other 4 bolts from the AOD can be reused. Pressure plate bolts, and dowl pins for the flywheel T-5 backup light wiring harness. This has a jumper for the neutral safety switch and the plug for the backuplight plug on the T-5 Speedometer gear I think that added to LX XLR8R*'s list covers pretty much everything It sounds like alot, but its really not. I would suggest maybe finding a wrecked car to part out, or find someone that wants to swap to an auto. This way you know that you'll have everything there. I used to have a great link for the swap, including pictures and a full parts list, but I can't find it now __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

10-15-2002, 10:46 AM	#16
LX XLR8R Dirk Diggler Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: SLOATSBURG, NY Posts: 1,931	i knew i missed stuff! __________________ 95 undecided cubes, AFR 185s,undecided cam, undecided intake, and a 150 hit 89 "turbonotch" 2.3T You might want to hold on..i saw this on a cartoon once

10-15-2002, 10:53 AM	#17
whoops Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Broomfield, Colorado Posts: 53	I had access to a car that was being parted out, but it was sold from under me. Does anyone have information I'd be able to find for local (to me) places for parts, cars, etc? I'm in Colorado and I'm having trouble locating local clubs and such. Thanks again for all the information. Justin __________________ Justin '89 LX 5.0L AOD, notch back (STOLEN 11/21/02 at 4 am!)

10-15-2002, 06:21 PM	#18
1hot5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 172	Whoops, Ill look for a performance shop in your area. Good luck. I am not going to do my conversion until march. If I find anymore info Ill post it. __________________ 91 Mustang LX 5.0 Convertible AOD Mdifications: K&N filter, Mac Catback, BBK aluminum u/d pulleys.

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