4 vs 8

[Sonics2042]

Originally posted by fordkid68
Jeb_Bush_2000 thanks after I posted the qustions about oversteer my dad walked in and I asked him and he used my brother cause he has done it more then once and has gone through A couple of fences.

Piston yea my friend has A tbird and it's A fun car. and you don't have to worry about the respecting of cars I respect every car that my family has and am always offeering to fix them tune them up or wash them what ever needs to be done. basicly cars is my life. and I don't drive like A ******* I mean I have my permit so it's not like I have driven on my own but I don't drive crazy and wont when I get my lisence.

thanks for all your help guys I really appreciate it especially since I am yung and nobody seems to want to help me cause of it.

Not trying to be a jerk, but please re-read what you write before you actually post. No one is perfect (I know I am not...!), but I have a hard time following some of your posts due to spelling and/or grammar. I wouldn't worry about it too much, but just FYI.

Thanks,
DoranW

[PKRWUD]

I think your plan to drive the bug for a couple years is a good one. I also strongly recommend that you avoid buying an Escort. The reasons are many, but I'm getting tired of typing today, so just trust me on that one.

Another alternative that I think is a good idea would be to buy a cheap 4 cylinder Mustang, don't put ANY unnecessary money into it, and drive it until you either save enough money to buy what you really want, or to build a new V8 to transplant into it. I personally would recommend saving up for a 2nd Mustang, rather than transplanting one. My logic is this: if it's a Mustang that you want to eventually have as your musclecar, starting with a 4 cylinder Mustang would get you used to it. You would become familiar with it, and would transition to a V8 Mustang much more smoothly. You would become familiar with ways and means of obtaining Mustang parts, and would be better informed as to the options and accessories you would want. You also might decide you don't like the Mustang afterall, and wouldn't have dropped a small fortune to discover this. Plus, if you do end up with a fast Mustang later, you will still have a respectable car for chasing down parts, or for times when you would rather get someplace cheaply instead of quickly.

The VW is a great idea, too, but being new to the automotive world, keep in mind that whatever you start out driving will influence your future decisions. After 2 years of driving a bug, you will probably have read dozens of VW magazines, and met new VW friends, and may decide that building a fast bug is what you really want. Going from a bug to a V8 Mustang can have dangerous results, too, as far as driving habits are concerned.

Besides, if you buy a 4 cylinder Mustang first, you can still enjoy all the Mustang t-shirts and books you will end up buying before you turn 18, after you turn 18. Get it?



Take care,
-Chris

[fordkid68]

well after A long talk with my dad I am not going to get A mustang or any other car. so I am keeping my bug. cause I am into vw bugs. I am subscribed to vw trends so my dad thinks that after I fix my bug up alitle I will want to keep it and use that for drag racing. don't laugh bugs can be veary quick. he also said that if I don't want to keep the bug he will repay me for every thing that I put into it.

PKRWUD do you post over at shoptalkforums.com I think you do but could be wrong.


sorry for wasting your time. after all that I am just keeping my bug but you might see me back here after alitle while.

o and sorry for not checking my spelling.

thanks
ford kid

[Rosco]

Well...I can say alot of things about having a 5.0 as your first car..As that is how it is with me. It was actually my friend who got me into mustangs. He owned an '89 4-banger, red, with a saleen spoiler, and 80k miles on it. Now, it wasn't that bad of a car, little rust here and there, Bando on both doors, and some other places and a crappy hatch. He actually got a deal for $250 for the saleen spoiler and the hatch with glass. Which actually is quite a deal considering the spoiler had the smallest chip in it, oh yeah..it was red and matched his car too..What luck eh? Well that was his first mustang, his dad was the same way about letting him get a 5.0. (He's driving a Conquest TSi now...but wants to get a 5.0 after I let him drive mine...I've brought him back to the dark side ). Well anyways, a year after he got his car....at 16..I ended up buying my pride and joy. It was April 5th 2000. I was 17 and was in love with mustangs, with pictures pasted all over my walls. My dad was pretty cool about me getting one. At the time we actually owned a '81 Vette that he let me drive every so often with him in the car. He let me tear it up sometimes, but I never went hard on it or did donuts or anything. I think that's why he was a little more confident about me purchasing a 5.0. (5100$ i paid for mine, with only 95k on it, and perfect condition, not much I can say about perfect anymore). Anyways, I even learned to drive Standard on my car..I had the worst time learning to get moving from a standstill....Stupid left foot. Anyways it was about 2 weeks after I got my car and I was handling it really good, clutch work and all. Now, I had never really screwed around with the car before and decided to when my friend bought his '88 Monte Carlo (stupid 305, always kicked the crap outa him...but now it's got a 400sb...$10k alone into engine work...JEESH!) To make this story shorter, we were in a parking lot eating lunch and decided to race each other. I had my other best friend in the car and Ryan had a friend in his Monte. Now..this is where I learned first hand, why I shouldn't of had a 5.0. Pulling out of the parking lanes, he gave it some gas and kicked the back end out a little on some dirt (he didn't have posi back then..and he had an auto and was shifting it manually) I didn't really think anything of it...and I was in 2nd gear pushing about 1300 rpms. Yeah..I was till sorta learning how to drive..so gimme a break Anywho, i gave it about 1/2 throttle when I was turning, and It caught me by suprised. Nothing more then this I was moving sideways with my back end leading towards a light pole. Well I got my back end around, and then I was going sideways the other way with us going about 20 mph straight at this lightpole. I tried my hardest to counter steer which wasn't much use at that time on the dirt. Now that I think about it, i never really took my foot off the gas, I was more scared $hitless about going towards this pole. Anyways..about 6 feet from the pole my rear tires caught on some nice pavement...and it honest to god, with the angle I was going at and the way the wheel was cranked, it broke the front tires loose as well putting us into a 180* spin. We missed the light pole, were facing the other direction, and I stalled it. I was jsut happy that I was still alive. That's how I learned to be careful with what I do, unless I've already done something or driven something so light in the back. Oh yeah...my friend got hit in the forehead with a big rock the car kicked up when we were in the 180* spin. Honest to say, I'm suprised that I wasn't rapped around that light pole. I learned my lesson the scared $hitless way, let's hope you don't have the same experience.

Stick with a low powered engine if it's a mustang and ur first car.

[Mr 5 0]

fordkid68:

May I suggest that next time you want to decide on your next car you talk with your dad and think things through a bit more before soliciting responses about Mustangs, especially since you ended up with a VW bug as your car of choice.

We like to help but some folks here may feel a bit used by someone who goes off in another direction entirely after all the posting about wanting a Mustang, 4 vs 8 and so on.

Perhaps this kind of indecision and lack of direction is why some people don't want to bother talking cars with unlicensed 16-year olds who simply have no real idea of what they want and go with whatever the last person they talked to told them. Just a thought.

Enjoy your Volkswagen.

[bugnout247]

hehehehe..i was thinking the same thing as mr 5 0 ...jus didnt feel like saying it...good luck with the vw

[tireburner163]

Originally posted by Mr 5 0
fordkid68:

May I suggest that next time you want to decide on your next car you talk with your dad and think things through a bit more before soliciting responses about Mustangs, especially since you ended up with a VW bug as your car of choice.

We like to help but some folks here may feel a bit used by someone who goes off in another direction entirely after all the posting about wanting a Mustang, 4 vs 8 and so on.

Perhaps this kind of indecision and lack of direction is why some people don't want to bother talking cars with unlicensed 16-year olds who simply have no real idea of what they want and go with whatever the last person they talked to told them. Just a thought.

Enjoy your Volkswagen.

.......a bit harsh, don't ya think.

I ask questions to get the most information on the subject that I can. That's what questions are for, to gain knowlege. I want ALL the opions and as much information on them as possable. Take me for example I've gone from turboing my stock motor, to doing a V-8 swap, to buying a SN95, to doing a v-8 again, to buying another Fox. Sometimes things just don't work out like you'd like and you have to change your plans.

[1BAD89]

Mr 5.0 I think the bug was given to him, and I don't think he bought it. He's got good intentions for a stang, it sounds like he just doesn't have the money saved up. A car is better than no car right?

[HopingForAGT]

i agree a 5.0 would be a bad first car i had a hyundai as my first car and totalled it at 105 mph on the interstate i can only imagine what would have happened if i had my camaro or a mustang as my first car...i definetly think i would have had trouble handling my camaro (which does handle better than a fox body i might add) very easy to loose the *** end in turns exspecially when wet but once you learn it its easy to hold it and when you loose it its fun if you know what to do...

[fordkid68]

ok wait I still love mustangs and still want to get one. it was my dad that told me to stay with the bug. it's not like I can tell him "no I am getting A mustang". like I said I was sorry for all the trouble. I have been around mustangs all my life just not the fox body style. my brother has A 66 mustang my brother in law has A 64 1/2 mustang my sister has A 68 and my dad has A 69. it's just my luck that my dad doesn't want me to get one cause of all the **** my brother did when he turned 16 and got his 66 fairlane.

again I am sorry. and I wont return till I get my mustang(belive me I will get one sooner or later)

later guys.
ford kid

[Sonics2042]

Originally posted by HopingForAGT
i definetly think i would have had trouble handling my camaro (which does handle better than a fox body i might add)

I disagree...I can't speak for stock (my car came with aftermarket front and rear sway bars...and I think some other parts), but my friend's 93 camaro feels like a boat. If they did handle worth crap, I think more people might actually buy them. I have never driven a camaro that I liked. Not just because of the Mustang vs. Camaro thing (although that may help fuel the fire...), but I just think they suck! (Note: His car wasn't a z28 or ss or anything..so I can't speak for those...but I did drive a z28 once, and I was also not a fan of that...)

[tireburner163]

Originally posted by fordkid68
again I am sorry. and I wont return till I get my mustang(belive me I will get one sooner or later)

You don't have to leave. Hell I hung around here and posted while I had a 1990 Dodge Dynasty.

[fordkid68]

well it just seemed like Mr 5 0 was giving me the same **** that most people do. saying that I can't make up my mind for my self just cuz thats the way most teens are. thats bull **** I have made up my mind but my dad stands in the way.


I have heard good things about this forum and how you guys are willing to help any body so I came and posted. but then I got the same **** that I got every where ells. and I hate that. thats why I said I wouldn't return untill I got my stang. don't get me wrong you guys do know what your talking about and this is the best forums that I have found. but I am just sick of this **** about being yung.


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ford kid

[Sonics2042]

Mr 5.0 is probably the most helpful/informative person on this board. He was just trying to detract from posts like this (no real direction...)

I don't think anyone minds if you stay around and ask questions, but I think he was just pointing out the fact that you might have wanted to talk to your dad before coming on here, since the direction of this post has changed like 8 times.

I still say drive the car for two years, and get a 5.0. I don't think I would waste my money on a bug. You will be happy you did when that day comes.

Thanks,
DoranW

[PKRWUD]

HopingForAGT-

You got a Hyundai to do 105 mph?!?!? I'm impressed!

Sonics2042-

I've never been fond of the camaros that much myself, but I have never ridden in a stock vehicle that handled better than my '77 Trans Am. I swear that car was just like riding on rails. No matter how hard I turned the wheel, it always went exactly where I pointed it, and hardly had any lean at all. That really was a fun car.

Rustang5.Low-

Dude, your boyfriend needs his diaper changed. You really smell bad. It's people, I mean kids, like you that try to start schit at a great site with your own self worthlessness, but the jokes on you. Even someone as cranially challenged as you can't begin to drag this site down. Try one of the Chevy sites. They love idiots.

Take care,
-Chris

[Mr 5 0]

FordKid68:

I suspected you might be offended by my last post and I'm sorry if you were but a lot of people took a lot of time to type out many messages to you in order to assist you in deciding what to go with and you end up not buying anything, which is fine, but it seemed as if you really don't know which way to go and the more input you get the more confusing it is.

You're not the first person to do this here and I wanted to make the point that we like to talk Mustangs, offer suggestions, relate experiences and give advice but it seemed as if you were just day-dreaming about cars and not being serious while letting our members post message after message to you in the expectation that you were using these as a way to make a car decision.

I understand your frustration about not being taken seriously and that it's annoying but I also hope you can get past your annoyance for a moment and see why people don't take some teenagers seriously. This thread is a good example of that and I wanted you (and others) to see it.

When you do get serious about buying a 'Stang this site will still be here and our members will be ready to help, just as they are now. No one wants to offend you, including me, but that's a two-way street. Respect our member's time and effort in posting information to you, too.

Sorry for any misunderstanding (and that little kid who posted flames - he's gone). We'll trust there are no hard feelings so please visit us again and feel free to comment or ask questions when you have them.

[fordkid68]

Mr 5 0 I know what your saying and I did apologize for waisting your members time. and I am not day dreaming I am going to get A mustang and when I do I will come back.


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ford kid

[PKRWUD]

Hey Fordkid, hang on for a minute. What Jim's saying is you are always welcome here, and the members will always try and help you. That's what makes this such a great site. I can't speak for anyone else, by I really enjoy helping people that want to be helped. Sometimes it actually get's kinda overwhelming, and believe it or not, I often find myself thinking about a member's problems while I'm working on one of my customers cars. Sometimes, I start to feel really taxed, but it's for a good cause, you know? Well, it get's frustrating when I'm later made to feel like someone was just wasting my time. That's NOT AT ALL what's happening with you! I'm just making an example. You sound to me like a good guy, with good intentions, and even if you go totally VW, I hope that you'll still hang around and post sometimes. Knowledge is a great thing, and every single one of us has room for more. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn something from you before long.

I hope you'll stay.

Take care,
-Chris

[fordkid68]

ok you guys win I aint leaving. but probly wont be posting in this forum much till I get my mustang cause right now every one around me has A classic mustang.

and for you Rustang5.slow any mustang is A real mustang. And thats why I want A 5.0 cause every one I know has A classic or A 2000 mustang. so I wanted to be different but sill have A mustang.


see you guys around.
ford kid

[PKRWUD]

Rustang-

I was just going to ignore you in hopes you'd get bored and drift away, but your next to last post almost had traces of dignity. Almost.

Hey Kid, don't worry about what these arrogant dikkheads think, You didn't do anything wrong.

That was the first sentence you ever wrote in these forums, so don't try and come off as Mr. Innocent. If you introduce yourself by slapping someones face, rather than shaking their hand, what could you possibly expect.

And your age has nothing to do with it.

And that was your second one. Age has everything to do with it. As you get older, you'll see what I mean.

I'm not sure who gave your friend bad advice, but that really suprises me, because this is a very friendly, experienced site. Unfortunately, you have already decided against that being possible, which only hurts you.

I don't claim to know everything, but I do have a fairly impressive background. Either way, I, like so many other members here, try to help people out when I can. I can only think of maybe 2 or 3 members who usually are rude and demeaning in their replies, and if it was one of them that set you off, I actually do understand your reasoning. A couple of them are assholes. There is no question. BUT, the VAST majority of the members here are truly great people, and they would and do go well out of their way to help others.

There are all kinds of vehicles owned by the members. If you think you have the fastest Chevy here, you better go back and stand in line. I personally like older Oldsmobiles, but after building a nitrous injected 403 and droping it into a 4000 pound cruiser, I decided there was more fun to be had than breaking transmission out put shafts.

I currectly crew for Jim Porter. We won the VRA Senior Sprint Car Championship last year, and we did it with a 750hp N/A small block Chevy.

Before you become any more like the person you are criticizing, try looking at this site through a clear pair of lenses. If you're lucky, you just might be able to see this site for what it really is. Don't be so closed minded. Again, you're the only one who suffers.

Good luck.

Really.

Take care,
-Chris

Fordkid

Glad to hear it!