5.0vs4.6???

joey50gt · 03-20-2001, 04:04 PM

i have a friend that just got a 96 4.6 vert.
with a 5speed and flow masters.
i have a 90gt5.0 aod with flowmasters and under drive pullies.
i want to race him do you guys think i can beat him???

Green92LX · 03-20-2001, 04:28 PM

Drivers being of equal standings, you should thrash him...at least I used to when I was stock

Heck, I ran a 95 hardtop the other night with my coupe (208K) and spanked him all over the road.

Fox bodies got the edge

------------------
1992 5.0 LX, V-1 S-Trim @8LBS,Edelbrock 6037 Heads,Cobra Intake,E-303,1.6 Roller Rockers,65MM Holley TB, 75 MM Pro M Mass Air, 190 LPH FP,24 lb injectors,MSD 6A and BTM,BBK equal length shorties,offroad h-pipe,Mac Flowpath Mufflers,Pro 5.0, 3.73's,Motorsport "C" springs,welded subframe connectors,Ponies w/ 225/50 Nitto NT 450's on front,255/50 BFG Drags out back,93 Cobra Spoiler
Daily driver: 89 Coupe with 208K plus, BBK shorties,offroad h-pipe,2-chamber flowmasters with dumps,

03-20-2001, 07:27 PM

Uuuuhhhh i would have to disagree, the only difference between you 2 is that he as a 5 speed, and you dont, and unfortunately that makes a big difference if he knows how to shift. Im not a big fan of the 4.6, if you had a 5 speed, i think you would take him. But with a 5 speed skill does come into play, so if he is a horrible shift, then you may still beat him, but dont count on it.

------------------
'93 Gt, Stock as a rock, but plan an AOD to T-5 swap, steeda tri-ax shifter, 3.55's, cobra intake, gt-40 irons, e303 cam, 1.6 rr's, mac headers, off road h-pipe, flowmasters cat back, msd ignition, blaster coil, mac cold air box (fenderwell), eibach springs, silver cobra r's, and an obnoxiously large mustang in the back window =0)

dinomite · 03-20-2001, 08:51 PM

You should take him pretty well. The first model 4.6s don't have the power that the second ones (current) do. Also, he has a couple hundred pounds of weight with the softop. Just launch well (you do know how to launch the AOD? if not, don't be shy, ask!) and do the shuffle. If you had a 5spd, you would slap him silly like a small child. With the AOD, I think you can still do it. Maybe someone else can dig up some numbers?

[This message has been edited by dinomite (edited 03-20-2001).]

93GTDIN · 03-20-2001, 09:55 PM

How do you launch properly? Also, is it possible to launch without your tires spinning all over the road?

StreetStang37 · 03-20-2001, 11:03 PM

They should run fairly close but I would think the 5.0 should edge it out. You never know though if your car or his is running at it's optimum unless you race.

------------------
1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air & Pullies, K&N, C&L 73mm MAF, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mandrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Shifter, 16* Timing Advance

Unit 5302 · 03-20-2001, 11:12 PM

I'm gonna give the 5.0 a 350lb weight advantage, which should offset the 5spd versus the auto, but it's not going to be an easy win.

The 5.0 should edge it out though.

03-20-2001, 11:20 PM

You guys said exactly what I was going to say. As long as you hold 2nd you should win because he is heavier.

Quote:

Originally posted by dinomite:
If you had a 5spd, you would slap him silly like a small child.
[This message has been edited by dinomite (edited 03-20-2001).]

Now this I wouldn't have thought to say, thats just down right funny

blueneonman1 · 03-21-2001, 01:32 AM

I have a '95 mustang gt convert 5-spd. Same weight, but i got the 5.oh

. I race 4.6s all the time with the same result, 1 car length. I even have about 150lbs extra from the rollcage! But the best kill was a 4.6 with pulleys, hollow cats, flows, headers, chip, clutch, and 4:10s. I beat him like I always beat 4.6s, 1 car. Case in point: never underestimate the 5L

------------------
Blueneonman - '95 5.0L Mustang GT Convertible | K&N Drop-in | FMS 9mm Wires | Hi-Flow Cats | Flowmaster 2 Chambers | Subframes | 6-pt Rollcage | 14deg Timing | Coolest Neon Lighting on a Mustang EVER!

dinomite · 03-21-2001, 08:17 AM

Ahhh, the AOD launch, very simple.
Step 1. Place your left foot firmly on the brake
Step 2. Place your right foot on the gas
Step 3. Using right foot, bring revs to a hold at about 1500 (?) rpm
Step 4. When the light changes, let go of the brake, and then begin to depress the gas fully.

PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE! Thats the only way to keep from spinning. With all the torque that this car produces, you cant just mash the pedal off the line, even in the AOD. You simply have to slowly press the pedal at first, and after .5-1 sec you should have your foot pressed on the floor (press all the way). The only way to really know is to play around with it, find out how quickly you can press the pedal down, and what rpm you can launch at w/o spinning. On the shuffle, start out with the 'gear selector lever' in the "1" position, and when the rpms reach about 5k, push it up to the "d". The tranny will take a few hundred rpm to shift, and when its done shifting, pull the selector back to "1". The tranny will then stay in 2nd gear until you push the selector up to "d" or "circle D".

blueneonman1 · 03-21-2001, 10:59 AM

I was also wanting to improve my launches on my 5spd. Can anyone help with this? I am in the dark as to where the right shift points are on a 5.0L w/ t-5 and where and how to launch. Thanks.

------------------
Blueneonman - '95 5.0L Mustang GT Convertible | K&N Drop-in | FMS 9mm Wires | Hi-Flow Cats | Flowmaster 2 Chambers | Subframes | 6-pt Rollcage | 14deg Timing | Coolest Neon Lighting on a Mustang EVER!

ed1371 · 03-21-2001, 11:57 AM

here is the way I launch (took a while to get it right)
rpms to 1300-1500

clutch slightly lifted off the floor (1-2 inches)

on 3rd amber release clutch smoothly while feeding gas evenly(practice practice practice is the only way to get it without spin)

The other way I use is not good for the clutch...I ONLY DO THIS ONCE IN A WHILE...

rpms to 3500

clutch off the floor about 1-2 inches

slowly let out the clutch allowing slippage so you dont spin em...

Shift points vary for each car but the general rule is 5200-5500

------------------
My Mustang
91 LX Conv. 52,000 orig mi. Hurst shifter,King Cobra clutch, 3.55 grs, NOS 150 dry kit, MSD 6al, MSD timing control, malory coil, pullies, fms adj fuel reg, BBK 70mm tb, Pro-m 75mm maf, battery in trunk, JBA shorties, JBA subs, JBA strut tower brc, Comp engineering 6 point cage, dynomax "super turbo" 2 1/2 exhaust, FMS billit distrib, Hotchkis lower cntrl arms, MAC Fenderwell cold air kit, off road

03-20-2001, 04:04 PM	#1
joey50gt Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: hurst,texas,america Posts: 95	5.0vs4.6??? i have a friend that just got a 96 4.6 vert. with a 5speed and flow masters. i have a 90gt5.0 aod with flowmasters and under drive pullies. i want to race him do you guys think i can beat him???

03-20-2001, 04:28 PM	#2
Green92LX Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: North Haven,CT Posts: 336	Drivers being of equal standings, you should thrash him...at least I used to when I was stock Heck, I ran a 95 hardtop the other night with my coupe (208K) and spanked him all over the road. Fox bodies got the edge ------------------ 1992 5.0 LX, V-1 S-Trim @8LBS,Edelbrock 6037 Heads,Cobra Intake,E-303,1.6 Roller Rockers,65MM Holley TB, 75 MM Pro M Mass Air, 190 LPH FP,24 lb injectors,MSD 6A and BTM,BBK equal length shorties,offroad h-pipe,Mac Flowpath Mufflers,Pro 5.0, 3.73's,Motorsport "C" springs,welded subframe connectors,Ponies w/ 225/50 Nitto NT 450's on front,255/50 BFG Drags out back,93 Cobra Spoiler Daily driver: 89 Coupe with 208K plus, BBK shorties,offroad h-pipe,2-chamber flowmasters with dumps,

03-20-2001, 07:27 PM	#3
Bangin Gears Guest Posts: n/a	Uuuuhhhh i would have to disagree, the only difference between you 2 is that he as a 5 speed, and you dont, and unfortunately that makes a big difference if he knows how to shift. Im not a big fan of the 4.6, if you had a 5 speed, i think you would take him. But with a 5 speed skill does come into play, so if he is a horrible shift, then you may still beat him, but dont count on it. ------------------ '93 Gt, Stock as a rock, but plan an AOD to T-5 swap, steeda tri-ax shifter, 3.55's, cobra intake, gt-40 irons, e303 cam, 1.6 rr's, mac headers, off road h-pipe, flowmasters cat back, msd ignition, blaster coil, mac cold air box (fenderwell), eibach springs, silver cobra r's, and an obnoxiously large mustang in the back window =0)

03-20-2001, 08:51 PM	#4
dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	You should take him pretty well. The first model 4.6s don't have the power that the second ones (current) do. Also, he has a couple hundred pounds of weight with the softop. Just launch well (you do know how to launch the AOD? if not, don't be shy, ask!) and do the shuffle. If you had a 5spd, you would slap him silly like a small child. With the AOD, I think you can still do it. Maybe someone else can dig up some numbers? [This message has been edited by dinomite (edited 03-20-2001).]

03-20-2001, 09:55 PM	#5
93GTDIN Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Live music capital of the world, TX Posts: 324	How do you launch properly? Also, is it possible to launch without your tires spinning all over the road?

03-20-2001, 11:03 PM	#6
StreetStang37 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: San Jose, California USA Posts: 275	They should run fairly close but I would think the 5.0 should edge it out. You never know though if your car or his is running at it's optimum unless you race. ------------------ 1993 Mustang GT - March Ram Air & Pullies, K&N, C&L 73mm MAF, Super Competition Hooker Headers, 2 1/2 in. mandrel bent cat back, High Flow H-Pipe, Pro 5.0 Shifter, 16* Timing Advance

03-20-2001, 11:12 PM	#7
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	I'm gonna give the 5.0 a 350lb weight advantage, which should offset the 5spd versus the auto, but it's not going to be an easy win. The 5.0 should edge it out though.

03-21-2001, 01:32 AM	#9
blueneonman1 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Palm Harbor, FL Posts: 208	I have a '95 mustang gt convert 5-spd. Same weight, but i got the 5.oh . I race 4.6s all the time with the same result, 1 car length. I even have about 150lbs extra from the rollcage! But the best kill was a 4.6 with pulleys, hollow cats, flows, headers, chip, clutch, and 4:10s. I beat him like I always beat 4.6s, 1 car. Case in point: never underestimate the 5L ------------------ Blueneonman - '95 5.0L Mustang GT Convertible \| K&N Drop-in \| FMS 9mm Wires \| Hi-Flow Cats \| Flowmaster 2 Chambers \| Subframes \| 6-pt Rollcage \| 14deg Timing \| Coolest Neon Lighting on a Mustang EVER!

03-21-2001, 08:17 AM	#10
dinomite The Dude Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 1,262	Ahhh, the AOD launch, very simple. Step 1. Place your left foot firmly on the brake Step 2. Place your right foot on the gas Step 3. Using right foot, bring revs to a hold at about 1500 (?) rpm Step 4. When the light changes, let go of the brake, and then begin to depress the gas fully. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE! Thats the only way to keep from spinning. With all the torque that this car produces, you cant just mash the pedal off the line, even in the AOD. You simply have to slowly press the pedal at first, and after .5-1 sec you should have your foot pressed on the floor (press all the way). The only way to really know is to play around with it, find out how quickly you can press the pedal down, and what rpm you can launch at w/o spinning. On the shuffle, start out with the 'gear selector lever' in the "1" position, and when the rpms reach about 5k, push it up to the "d". The tranny will take a few hundred rpm to shift, and when its done shifting, pull the selector back to "1". The tranny will then stay in 2nd gear until you push the selector up to "d" or "circle D".

03-21-2001, 10:59 AM	#11
blueneonman1 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Palm Harbor, FL Posts: 208	I was also wanting to improve my launches on my 5spd. Can anyone help with this? I am in the dark as to where the right shift points are on a 5.0L w/ t-5 and where and how to launch. Thanks. ------------------ Blueneonman - '95 5.0L Mustang GT Convertible \| K&N Drop-in \| FMS 9mm Wires \| Hi-Flow Cats \| Flowmaster 2 Chambers \| Subframes \| 6-pt Rollcage \| 14deg Timing \| Coolest Neon Lighting on a Mustang EVER!

03-21-2001, 11:57 AM	#12
ed1371 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 469	here is the way I launch (took a while to get it right) rpms to 1300-1500 clutch slightly lifted off the floor (1-2 inches) on 3rd amber release clutch smoothly while feeding gas evenly(practice practice practice is the only way to get it without spin) The other way I use is not good for the clutch...I ONLY DO THIS ONCE IN A WHILE... rpms to 3500 clutch off the floor about 1-2 inches slowly let out the clutch allowing slippage so you dont spin em... Shift points vary for each car but the general rule is 5200-5500 ------------------ My Mustang 91 LX Conv. 52,000 orig mi. Hurst shifter,King Cobra clutch, 3.55 grs, NOS 150 dry kit, MSD 6al, MSD timing control, malory coil, pullies, fms adj fuel reg, BBK 70mm tb, Pro-m 75mm maf, battery in trunk, JBA shorties, JBA subs, JBA strut tower brc, Comp engineering 6 point cage, dynomax "super turbo" 2 1/2 exhaust, FMS billit distrib, Hotchkis lower cntrl arms, MAC Fenderwell cold air kit, off road