5 liter and 2500 bucks to play with what would you do

tireburner163 · 07-03-2002, 11:15 PM

Suppose you had a stock 87-92 5 liter, 5-speed. What mods would you do if you had 2500 bucks to spend.....no power adders please.

fiveohpatrol · 07-04-2002, 12:44 AM

how stock are we talking? and I'm hoping everything will be self installed right?

gears: $200
longtubes, h-pipe and mufflers: ~$500
pulleys: no wait, your gonna have a big stereo

shifter:$200
slicks or DR's: $300
MAF: $200
TB: $200
subframes: $100
stock heads freshened up, and some home port work: $100
explorer intake: $200-300
TFS stage 1 cam: $150

and a few hundred left over for little stuff

tireburner163 · 07-04-2002, 08:59 AM

I was thinking about.............

stage 1 ported GT-40P's
Cobra or Explorer intake
Steada #18 cam
gears
unequal length shorties(maybe long tubes)
off-road H-pipe
1.7 RR's
65m TB

Later I will gradually add more mods as I get money....subframes, shifter, mass-air meter, FPR, exc.

phatpony · 07-04-2002, 11:35 AM

The best bang for the buck is to change the gears. They are relatively inexpensive and you notice an instant change in performance. After that, definately work on the induction and cam.

Dark_5.0 · 07-04-2002, 11:38 AM

AFR 185's 1,200
Explorer intake 200
Headers 200
gears 159
X-pipe 200
Tri-ax shifter 150
________________
2,009.00

Since I am under budget I might as well by some Mickey Thompson ET streets 330.00

All of this on a speed density Notch back should be good for high 12's.

Later,

fiveohpatrol · 07-04-2002, 12:19 PM

theres no way I would ever choke down an awesome set of heads like the AFR's with an explorer intake (or GT40/cobra). Especially the 185's. I wouldnt go with anything less than a edelbrock RPM or holley intake with those heads. I know its a money issue here, but you gotta match the combo well.

Stroked408 · 07-04-2002, 12:52 PM

well since this is a dream list here goes:
ported stock heads with bigger valves(1.90/1.60) 5-600 dollars
Cobra intake with 65mm throttle body 410 for intake 170 for throttle body
E303 or B303 or any alphabet cam for 170 dollars
1.6 bolt down rockers 240 dollarsMac shorty headers 169
Off road h-pipe 125
shifter 160 bucks
3.73 gears 170
install 250
equals 2464 not including taxes and you have 36 dollars left over.

Or you could just buy a set of GT40P heads assembled from Summit for 550 dollars and add 31 dollars to the price of the headers and you still inder the 2500 dollars you want to spend.

Have at it.

tireburner163 · 07-04-2002, 10:31 PM

Dark 5.0 185's won't even work with the stock pistons.

I've decided to do shortie headers, off-road h-pipe, gears, shifter, Steada #18 cam, 76MM C&L mass-air, and a 65 or 70mm TB.

What I haven't decided on are the heads and intake. It down to a set of ported GT-40P's(thanks Eric) with a Cobra intake or a set of ported TFS twisted wedge heads(thanks again Eric) and a Edelbrock performer intake or TFS intake.

I know the TFS heads will make more power....but they'll also cost a good bit more money. What do you think the differences in 1/4 mile times would be?

BTW, if you rocket scientists haven't figured it out yet, I'm getting a 5.0 in the near future(this winter)

fiveohpatrol · 07-05-2002, 12:54 AM

Josh, what are the specs on that steeda 18 cam?

Stroked408 · 07-05-2002, 09:06 AM

well since you are going to get either a TFS or Eddy intake you better add in the price of a EGR spacer and they go for 49-67 dollars depending on where you buy it from.

The Cobra does not need an EGR spacer like the rest do,it is your decisions.

Oh by the way I thought you asking about a Camaro on a Mustang chat board,it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out you are thinking about a Mustang.

tireburner163 · 07-05-2002, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stroked408
Oh by the way I thought you asking about a Camaro on a Mustang chat board,it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out you are thinking about a Mustang.

That was for some of the senior member who have been here a while and know how much I've wanted a 5 liter.

tireburner163 · 07-05-2002, 09:24 AM

I've decided I'm gonna go with the ported GT-40P's. With the 500 bucks I saved I can buy other speed parts.

The specs on the Steada cam are......

.480 lift
220/226 duration at .050
112 LSA

Dark_5.0 · 07-05-2002, 09:57 AM

AFR 185's dont work with stock pistons.........Why not?

Stroked408 · 07-05-2002, 10:32 AM

They will work you just have to notch the pistons with stock pistons and AFR 185's.

Burner that is just my way of messing with you,I knew you meant no offense,and I did not mean to come off like a smart-alic.

185's on a stock 302???? Could work long as you have a good intake and cam to support them.

GT40P is not a bad investment at all.

Good Luck

Eric4Nitrous · 07-05-2002, 11:17 AM

Josh, I always thought you wanted a Honda instead of a Mustang?? haha..oh by the way..who's this Eric guy you keep talking about?? He must be a pretty smart guy..lol Need anymore advice let me know man. glad to help out!

Eric

tireburner163 · 07-05-2002, 11:48 AM

Dark 5.0 I would have to have the pistons fly cut...which is more money I don't have. Not to mention I'd have to drop about 550 bucks on a intake to match the head's flow.

I think I've decied to go with the TFS #1 cam with the porte heads...
.498/.510 lift
221/225 duration at .050
LSA 112

fiveohpatrol · 07-05-2002, 12:17 PM

if you do change your mind, and go back to the steeda cam, then you'll definately want a set of 1.7's to get that lift up to 0.510 instead of .480

Dark_5.0 · 07-05-2002, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tireburner163
Dark 5.0 I would have to have the pistons fly cut...which is more money I don't have. Not to mention I'd have to drop about 550 bucks on a intake to match the head's flow.

I think I've decied to go with the TFS #1 cam with the porte heads...
.498/.510 lift
221/225 duration at .050
LSA 112

Oh ok.......Dont worry you will change your mind many times before you actually buy......I know I did.

Compared to your 4 banger a stock 5.0 will be a blast.

Later,

Skyman · 07-05-2002, 07:39 PM

I would buy P heads $500.

Mill them as much as possible, you can get about 10-10.5:1 compression.

Edelbrock performer intake, 375-400 used
E-303 cam $100 used
shorty headers $80 used
off-road H pipe $75 used
65mm TB/EGR $250
73-75mm Maf ~$200
ADJ FRP $60
pulleys $80
3.73 gears $500
gaskets $100
shifter $170

Total right about $2500.

buy some tires when u have a chance later, you'll have fun burning the **** out of the ones you have. And you'll have a car with a killer powerband a torque that should run 12's easy.

Skyler

Skyman · 07-05-2002, 07:41 PM

Youll need roller rockers, so hold off on the shifter :-D

SKy

07-04-2002, 12:44 AM	#2
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	how stock are we talking? and I'm hoping everything will be self installed right? gears: $200 longtubes, h-pipe and mufflers: ~$500 pulleys: no wait, your gonna have a big stereo shifter:$200 slicks or DR's: $300 MAF: $200 TB: $200 subframes: $100 stock heads freshened up, and some home port work: $100 explorer intake: $200-300 TFS stage 1 cam: $150 and a few hundred left over for little stuff __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

07-04-2002, 08:59 AM	#3
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	I was thinking about............. stage 1 ported GT-40P's Cobra or Explorer intake Steada #18 cam gears unequal length shorties(maybe long tubes) off-road H-pipe 1.7 RR's 65m TB Later I will gradually add more mods as I get money....subframes, shifter, mass-air meter, FPR, exc. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

07-04-2002, 11:35 AM	#4
phatpony Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 18	The best bang for the buck is to change the gears. They are relatively inexpensive and you notice an instant change in performance. After that, definately work on the induction and cam. __________________ '93 LX, Cobra intake, K&N conical filter, tremec, 4.10, billet quadrant and firewall adjuster, paxton fuel regulator, MAC equal length shorties, BBK X-pipe with cats, Flowmaster 2-chamber cat back with stainless tips No, I'm fat, the car is PHAT!

07-04-2002, 11:38 AM	#5
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	AFR 185's 1,200 Explorer intake 200 Headers 200 gears 159 X-pipe 200 Tri-ax shifter 150 ________________ 2,009.00 Since I am under budget I might as well by some Mickey Thompson ET streets 330.00 All of this on a speed density Notch back should be good for high 12's. Later, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

07-04-2002, 12:19 PM	#6
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	theres no way I would ever choke down an awesome set of heads like the AFR's with an explorer intake (or GT40/cobra). Especially the 185's. I wouldnt go with anything less than a edelbrock RPM or holley intake with those heads. I know its a money issue here, but you gotta match the combo well. __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

07-03-2002, 11:15 PM	#1
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	5 liter and 2500 bucks to play with what would you do Suppose you had a stock 87-92 5 liter, 5-speed. What mods would you do if you had 2500 bucks to spend.....no power adders please. __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

07-04-2002, 12:52 PM	#7
Stroked408 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southwest Posts: 131	2500 bucks hmmmm well since this is a dream list here goes: ported stock heads with bigger valves(1.90/1.60) 5-600 dollars Cobra intake with 65mm throttle body 410 for intake 170 for throttle body E303 or B303 or any alphabet cam for 170 dollars 1.6 bolt down rockers 240 dollarsMac shorty headers 169 Off road h-pipe 125 shifter 160 bucks 3.73 gears 170 install 250 equals 2464 not including taxes and you have 36 dollars left over. Or you could just buy a set of GT40P heads assembled from Summit for 550 dollars and add 31 dollars to the price of the headers and you still inder the 2500 dollars you want to spend. Have at it. __________________ Deeper,Harder,Faster Stage Deeper Launch Harder Go Faster

07-04-2002, 10:31 PM	#8
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	Dark 5.0 185's won't even work with the stock pistons. I've decided to do shortie headers, off-road h-pipe, gears, shifter, Steada #18 cam, 76MM C&L mass-air, and a 65 or 70mm TB. What I haven't decided on are the heads and intake. It down to a set of ported GT-40P's(thanks Eric) with a Cobra intake or a set of ported TFS twisted wedge heads(thanks again Eric) and a Edelbrock performer intake or TFS intake. I know the TFS heads will make more power....but they'll also cost a good bit more money. What do you think the differences in 1/4 mile times would be? BTW, if you rocket scientists haven't figured it out yet, I'm getting a 5.0 in the near future(this winter) __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

07-05-2002, 12:54 AM	#9
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	Josh, what are the specs on that steeda 18 cam? __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

07-05-2002, 09:06 AM	#10
Stroked408 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southwest Posts: 131	Add more money well since you are going to get either a TFS or Eddy intake you better add in the price of a EGR spacer and they go for 49-67 dollars depending on where you buy it from. The Cobra does not need an EGR spacer like the rest do,it is your decisions. Oh by the way I thought you asking about a Camaro on a Mustang chat board,it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out you are thinking about a Mustang. __________________ Deeper,Harder,Faster Stage Deeper Launch Harder Go Faster

07-05-2002, 09:24 AM	#12
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	I've decided I'm gonna go with the ported GT-40P's. With the 500 bucks I saved I can buy other speed parts. The specs on the Steada cam are...... .480 lift 220/226 duration at .050 112 LSA __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

07-05-2002, 09:57 AM	#13
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	AFR 185's dont work with stock pistons.........Why not? __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

07-05-2002, 10:32 AM	#14
Stroked408 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southwest Posts: 131	they work They will work you just have to notch the pistons with stock pistons and AFR 185's. Burner that is just my way of messing with you,I knew you meant no offense,and I did not mean to come off like a smart-alic. 185's on a stock 302???? Could work long as you have a good intake and cam to support them. GT40P is not a bad investment at all. Good Luck __________________ Deeper,Harder,Faster Stage Deeper Launch Harder Go Faster

07-05-2002, 11:17 AM	#15
Eric4Nitrous Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Va Posts: 1,122	Josh, I always thought you wanted a Honda instead of a Mustang?? haha..oh by the way..who's this Eric guy you keep talking about?? He must be a pretty smart guy..lol Need anymore advice let me know man. glad to help out! Eric __________________ 68 Camaro Gene Fulton 632ci Two stages of Jug 8.41 164mph Rockingham 1-26-03

07-05-2002, 11:48 AM	#16
tireburner163 It's a lot like a race car Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Meridian, MS Posts: 4,130	Dark 5.0 I would have to have the pistons fly cut...which is more money I don't have. Not to mention I'd have to drop about 550 bucks on a intake to match the head's flow. I think I've decied to go with the TFS #1 cam with the porte heads... .498/.510 lift 221/225 duration at .050 LSA 112 __________________ 1987 Buick T-type 1998 HD Electra Elide

07-05-2002, 12:17 PM	#17
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	if you do change your mind, and go back to the steeda cam, then you'll definately want a set of 1.7's to get that lift up to 0.510 instead of .480 __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

07-05-2002, 07:39 PM	#19
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	I would buy P heads $500. Mill them as much as possible, you can get about 10-10.5:1 compression. Edelbrock performer intake, 375-400 used E-303 cam $100 used shorty headers $80 used off-road H pipe $75 used 65mm TB/EGR $250 73-75mm Maf ~$200 ADJ FRP $60 pulleys $80 3.73 gears $500 gaskets $100 shifter $170 Total right about $2500. buy some tires when u have a chance later, you'll have fun burning the ** out of the ones you have. And you'll have a car with a killer powerband a torque that should run 12's easy. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe-** JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

07-05-2002, 07:41 PM	#20
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Youll need roller rockers, so hold off on the shifter :-D SKy __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.