Speed Density And Cams

gtsr515 · 02-08-2002, 05:06 PM

i have seen so many posts/replies that you guys are running cams, heads, intakes, nitrous, superchargers, etc, on density motors, no custom chips or other tweekers, and these motors idle fine.

I have had several density cars and NEVER could get a "B" cam for instance to idle even remotely decent, HOW IS THIS BEING DONE? I JUST DONT BELIEVE IT, I NEED MORE TECHNICAL PROOF OTHER THAN "LOTS OF GUYS ARE DOING IT AND THEY RUN FINE"

BULL CRAPPOLA!

I don't want an argument, I want specific parts/packages/set-ups, etc....

fiveohpatrol · 02-08-2002, 05:34 PM

88workcar was basically the talk of the board awhile back. He was running low 12's on either a E or B cam.
He hasn't been around in a real long time, but other people here know his combo (Unit maybe?)

gtsr515 · 02-08-2002, 05:46 PM

Thanks, but we are still at:

Fantasy=1
Proof=0

Yan88gt · 02-08-2002, 08:25 PM

No cam, but i have some airflow mods and it run great.

gtsr515 · 02-08-2002, 08:43 PM

Again, thanks, but not what i'm looking for.

PKRWUD · 02-08-2002, 09:32 PM

Here's his info:

Jason B Johnson 88LX 206,000 miles, cowl hood, drag lites,92 stock short block with 96,000, E7 heads 1.94/ 1.60s,4.30s,B-303,long tubes,tremec,cobra intake,19lb-40psi,race pully,short belt,aulmdrive shaft,homemade ram air,70/100 hp NOS dry, 70/30 lake woods, 4cyl springs, air bags, boxed lowers, stock uppers,1.6rr,MSD 6-a & coil, timing control, batt in rear,drive it like I hate it.
12.98@108.64radials 2.0 60ft
12.59 @ 108.55 slicks 1.79 60ft
12.11 @ 111.898 slicks 1.64 60ft, NOS 100hp jet, 550-600psi bottle

Try doing a search with his username (88workcar). If you want answers, you need to do the footwork.

Take care,
-Chris

gtsr515 · 02-08-2002, 09:48 PM

Once again, thanks, but I can make a list. I just don't believe that package is possible, especially with the Nitrous, wheres the fuel at for this?

Can this car idle?

Fantasy=3
Proof=0

PKRWUD · 02-08-2002, 09:56 PM

I'm sorry that you didn't know him like the rest of us did, but he was on the money. If you want more proof, then build it yourself and test it. It sounds like that is the only way you'll be satisfied. BTW, his results were FAR from fantasy.

fiveohpatrol · 02-08-2002, 09:58 PM

what the heck are you looking for? someone to come by your house and let you drive their car?

he said that the fuel pressure was at 40psi

chris is IMO one of the most knowledgable and respected guys on this site. You are basically calling him a liar, and thats just not cool

Unit 5302 · 02-08-2002, 10:34 PM

gtsr515 Mess with your fuel pressure. I've made numerous very long posts on why SD works the way it does and how to modify it.

The combination for 88workcar that PKRWUD listed is old. As far as I know, his current combination features Edelbrock alumium head's, along with his swap to an E303 cam. He was running VERY low 12's N/A on slicks with these additions.

MAF has no bearing on N20 use. Why would you think that it would?

Mr 5 0 · 02-09-2002, 05:02 PM

gtsr515:

Plenty of Mustang owners have done major mods on SD engines and managed to obtain good idle quality, but it's not automatic or always easy.

We have posts in our archives that explain some of the details but it's up to you to search for them, it's not our members obligation to 'prove' anything to you.

You have a question, receive a few answers and then respond with sneering remarks to those who tried to respond to you, as if you were grading their homework- and they failed.

News Flash: Do your own homework and leave the smug attitude at the door.

Yan88gt · 02-09-2002, 05:57 PM

By the way, i use to have a A trim on my car and i was able to see 6.5 psi on cold day. Someone stole my car and when the police find it, no supercharger and the insurance did not pay for it. I had a check valve and a bleeder on the hose that go to the map sensor( it can't read boost) and fmu to add the extra fuel. A guy that i know at the track have a 9psi procharger with 24 pound injectors with a speed density computer and no chip. A nitrous system run the same way has mass-air.the Nitroust jet is just before the throttle body like mass-air. Why do you think it can't run? Nitrous have nothing to do with the computer.

Yan88gt · 02-09-2002, 06:06 PM

I think that you don't really understand how a dry nitrous system work, do some research. 88 workcar run B-E cam, i use to run a supercharger and i've seen plenty of nitrous system on speed density.

Fantasy=3
Proof=3

02-08-2002, 05:06 PM	#1
gtsr515 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sunny, Hot, Sebring, Florida Posts: 725	Speed Density And Cams i have seen so many posts/replies that you guys are running cams, heads, intakes, nitrous, superchargers, etc, on density motors, no custom chips or other tweekers, and these motors idle fine. I have had several density cars and NEVER could get a "B" cam for instance to idle even remotely decent, HOW IS THIS BEING DONE? I JUST DONT BELIEVE IT, I NEED MORE TECHNICAL PROOF OTHER THAN "LOTS OF GUYS ARE DOING IT AND THEY RUN FINE" BULL CRAPPOLA! I don't want an argument, I want specific parts/packages/set-ups, etc.... __________________ Remember...2nd place is 1st place for losers!

02-08-2002, 05:34 PM	#2
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	88workcar was basically the talk of the board awhile back. He was running low 12's on either a E or B cam. He hasn't been around in a real long time, but other people here know his combo (Unit maybe?) __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

02-08-2002, 05:46 PM	#3
gtsr515 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sunny, Hot, Sebring, Florida Posts: 725	Thanks, but we are still at: Fantasy=1 Proof=0 __________________ Remember...2nd place is 1st place for losers!

02-08-2002, 08:25 PM	#4
Yan88gt Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Quebec canada Posts: 92	No cam, but i have some airflow mods and it run great. __________________ Ported stock heads and intake, 65mm throttle body, 1.7 roller rockers, pulley, superchip,afpr, electric fan, motorsport headers, magnaflow cat-back, hurst shifter, 3.55 gear, speed density computer 12.81@ 104.7 on E.T street (1.77)

02-08-2002, 08:43 PM	#5
gtsr515 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sunny, Hot, Sebring, Florida Posts: 725	Again, thanks, but not what i'm looking for. __________________ Remember...2nd place is 1st place for losers!

02-08-2002, 09:32 PM	#6
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	Here's his info: Jason B Johnson 88LX 206,000 miles, cowl hood, drag lites,92 stock short block with 96,000, E7 heads 1.94/ 1.60s,4.30s,B-303,long tubes,tremec,cobra intake,19lb-40psi,race pully,short belt,aulmdrive shaft,homemade ram air,70/100 hp NOS dry, 70/30 lake woods, 4cyl springs, air bags, boxed lowers, stock uppers,1.6rr,MSD 6-a & coil, timing control, batt in rear,drive it like I hate it. 12.98@108.64radials 2.0 60ft 12.59 @ 108.55 slicks 1.79 60ft 12.11 @ 111.898 slicks 1.64 60ft, NOS 100hp jet, 550-600psi bottle Try doing a search with his username (88workcar). If you want answers, you need to do the footwork. Take care, -Chris __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

02-08-2002, 09:48 PM	#7
gtsr515 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sunny, Hot, Sebring, Florida Posts: 725	Once again, thanks, but I can make a list. I just don't believe that package is possible, especially with the Nitrous, wheres the fuel at for this? Can this car idle? Fantasy=3 Proof=0 __________________ Remember...2nd place is 1st place for losers!

02-08-2002, 09:56 PM	#8
PKRWUD Junior Member Join Date: Mar 1999 Location: Ventura, California Posts: 8,981	I'm sorry that you didn't know him like the rest of us did, but he was on the money. If you want more proof, then build it yourself and test it. It sounds like that is the only way you'll be satisfied. BTW, his results were FAR from fantasy. __________________ Webmaster: Rice Haters Club Jim Porter Racing Peckerwoods Pit Stop Support Your Local RED & WHITE!

02-08-2002, 09:58 PM	#9
fiveohpatrol I'd rather be basketweaving Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,551	what the heck are you looking for? someone to come by your house and let you drive their car? he said that the fuel pressure was at 40psi chris is IMO one of the most knowledgable and respected guys on this site. You are basically calling him a liar, and thats just not cool __________________ NMRA O/C 9516 NA pumpgas stickshift 347 10.65@125.6, 6.73@100, 1.41 60ft

02-08-2002, 10:34 PM	#10
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	gtsr515 Mess with your fuel pressure. I've made numerous very long posts on why SD works the way it does and how to modify it. The combination for 88workcar that PKRWUD listed is old. As far as I know, his current combination features Edelbrock alumium head's, along with his swap to an E303 cam. He was running VERY low 12's N/A on slicks with these additions. MAF has no bearing on N20 use. Why would you think that it would?

02-09-2002, 05:02 PM	#11
Mr 5 0 Conservative Individualist Join Date: May 1997 Location: Wherever I need to be Posts: 7,487	Attitude check gtsr515: Plenty of Mustang owners have done major mods on SD engines and managed to obtain good idle quality, but it's not automatic or always easy. We have posts in our archives that explain some of the details but it's up to you to search for them, it's not our members obligation to 'prove' anything to you. You have a question, receive a few answers and then respond with sneering remarks to those who tried to respond to you, as if you were grading their homework- and they failed. News Flash: Do your own homework and leave the smug attitude at the door. __________________ 5.0 Mustang Owner 1990 - 2005

02-09-2002, 05:57 PM	#12
Yan88gt Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Quebec canada Posts: 92	By the way, i use to have a A trim on my car and i was able to see 6.5 psi on cold day. Someone stole my car and when the police find it, no supercharger and the insurance did not pay for it. I had a check valve and a bleeder on the hose that go to the map sensor( it can't read boost) and fmu to add the extra fuel. A guy that i know at the track have a 9psi procharger with 24 pound injectors with a speed density computer and no chip. A nitrous system run the same way has mass-air.the Nitroust jet is just before the throttle body like mass-air. Why do you think it can't run? Nitrous have nothing to do with the computer. __________________ Ported stock heads and intake, 65mm throttle body, 1.7 roller rockers, pulley, superchip,afpr, electric fan, motorsport headers, magnaflow cat-back, hurst shifter, 3.55 gear, speed density computer 12.81@ 104.7 on E.T street (1.77)

02-09-2002, 06:06 PM	#13
Yan88gt Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Quebec canada Posts: 92	I think that you don't really understand how a dry nitrous system work, do some research. 88 workcar run B-E cam, i use to run a supercharger and i've seen plenty of nitrous system on speed density. Fantasy=3 Proof=3 __________________ Ported stock heads and intake, 65mm throttle body, 1.7 roller rockers, pulley, superchip,afpr, electric fan, motorsport headers, magnaflow cat-back, hurst shifter, 3.55 gear, speed density computer 12.81@ 104.7 on E.T street (1.77)

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