which alphabet cam

93GTDIN · 06-03-2002, 01:23 PM

I have Trick Flow TW Aluminum heads, Arias 10:1 pistons, trick flow intake, and longtube headers (among other minor bolt ons). Which alphabet cam is best for me? (B,E,F,X,Z, etc)

(Ps. I dont have the blower anymore)

Dark_5.0 · 06-03-2002, 02:19 PM

Although most people will tell you to just stick with the stock cam cause an aftermarket cam wont make much difference with stock heads........I say go with the B-cam, I think it matches your combo the best. Some guys knock off a tenth or two with the B-cam on stock heads, and it has a nice lumpy idle.

Later,

Green9550 · 06-03-2002, 03:11 PM

If you have to stick with an alphabet cam, get the F cam. It has nice #'s and you should see better power than the B and E cams. But, personally I would get a Comp cams XE cam or a custom cam. Good luck though.

-Billy

gtsr515 · 06-03-2002, 05:01 PM

Definetly the "E", the "B" has overlap and with the AOD thats really bad, the "F" is good too, but a bit too much for you at this time. X is a door stop.

I'd stick with the stocker. The "S" cam as I call it.

fiveohpatrol · 06-03-2002, 05:05 PM

may i ask why you want to stick with an alphabet cam? there's alot more out there, just because its made by ford doesnt mean that its the best for your ford engine, by any means

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cause an aftermarket cam wont make much difference with stock heads

the first sentence says its got TFS heads, did ya miss that?

I'd personally go with a custom grind cam, but that can get kinda pricey, so I'd check out the TFS stage II

BUT if you just HAVE to stay with an alphabet cam, then i second the F303

jimberg · 06-03-2002, 05:13 PM

The people to talk to would be the techs at Trick Flow. They just recommended the Stage 2 cam for me. Since your stuff is Trick Flow, I'm sure they would have the best answer.

929PhoenixSquid · 06-03-2002, 06:58 PM

I would recommend my Bunny's cam, but she'd kill me

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So.......I say F cam

n20lx · 06-03-2002, 09:41 PM

I dyno'd at 308 hp when I was running a similar set up with the E303. Car was as clean throgh the emissions test with the cat on as stock. When I put the E in there wasn't much else. There are much better cams now. Check out the Anderson N4 or N6.

RayC76 · 06-03-2002, 11:35 PM

Why would you want to throw a cam engineered in the stone age and made for the masses in your car. Spend the extra dough and get a cam made for YOUR combo and how YOU drive. I would try Buddy Rawls www.wighat.com/fcr3/ . I have spoken to him and plan on getting a cam this fall. Others that I have talked to that have a cam of his are impressed. Also, there is Ed Curtis up at flow tech induction that does great work also. But he is very busy from what I hear. jmo and some thoughts.
Ray

93GTDIN · 06-03-2002, 11:36 PM

the reason I am sticking to an alphabet cam is because they are the only cams anybody keeps in stock! I cant find any TFS 1 or 2 cams. I was also looking at the powermax 2020 from crane but nobody has it either. How much power do you think i'll make at the motor with this combo? (+ longtubes, no emissions, no cats, etc) Desktop dyno seems to say about 380 - 390 ish... is that off?

RayC76 · 06-03-2002, 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by 93GTDIN
the reason I am sticking to an alphabet cam is because they are the only cams anybody keeps in stock!

Are you talking to me? You posted one minute after me thats why I ask.
Ray

Dark_5.0 · 06-04-2002, 07:28 AM

OOPS!!! ---I missed the part about the Trick flow heads.

Really....Im not a retard I just play one on the internet

After re-reading I agree with the E-cam

jimberg · 06-04-2002, 11:32 AM

jdsperformance.com may have TFS cams in stock.

Summit has them on backorder.

sn95gt19 · 06-04-2002, 11:52 AM

i have the e cam, i didnt really notice any difference except, surging idle, and low vaccum. thats the one thing that i overlooked when building my motor. i had the b cam previously and that was a lot better except the power band was soo high, didnt really make power until 4200-rev limiter. but when it did get up high it pulled like crazy. i have heard a lot about the f cam, mostly good so i would say that or a trick flow cam.

Unit 5302 · 06-04-2002, 06:52 PM

The F303 is a supercharger cam with a lot of LSA built in. Should help your AOD in the low end category.

If you're gonna throw an XE series cam in there, you had best make sure your springs will handle it. XE cams have ridiculous amounts of lift.

Unit 5302 · 06-04-2002, 07:04 PM

Oh, I also see a lot of the bashing of the Motorsports cams because they use ancient technology. I'd like somebody to explain to me why another cam is better rather than just rattle off some crap somebody else told them.

The Motorsports cams are proven to make power, they are inexpensive, and they last.

Actually, we'll take my specific recommendation, the F303. Keep in mind, the difference between a really sweet cam and a stock cam will probably be in the neighborhood of 30-40hp. A good cam will give you 20-30hp over stock. So all the extra work of getting the custom cam is only gonna get a person 10hp in a setup like mentioned above, if they get a sweet one.

andy669 · 06-04-2002, 08:24 PM

The Trick Flow Stage 2 cam is the same as the Anderson B4. .542/.563~224-232 with a 112 lobe sep. It is an excellent blower cam.

The Anderson B4 is now sold as the B41. I'm not sure what the revision was (or if there was one) but I am sure that it is just as good, if not better.

Andy

RayC76 · 06-04-2002, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by Unit 5302
Oh, I also see a lot of the bashing of the Motorsports cams because they use ancient technology. I'd like somebody to explain to me why another cam is better rather than just rattle off some crap somebody else told them.

I think it all comes down to getting a cam for your driving style and intent. The alphabet cams were made for the masses for varying style of engine combos and driving styles. I have had e, and b cams in past cars and they are not the greatest. I think the cam is one of the most vital parts of the engine and you should choose one for your combo not everybody else’s. Take a look at the link I posted earlier and read the articles Buddy wrote. Cam truth is a good one.

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The Motorsports cams are proven to make power

I have heard and seen these cams go either way. Sure they make more power than stock but almost anything would.

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they are inexpensive.

So spending $150 dollars more on a cam is expensive? I have seen people blow money on worse $hit for their cars that do not do anything.

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and they last

Do you have proof that they last longer than a custom?

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So all the extra work of getting the custom cam is only gonna get a person 10hp in a setup like mentioned above, if they get a sweet one.

Again, is $150 worth 10hp? I think so. Also better drivability, idle, power through the rpm range... the list goes on.

Mach 1 · 06-04-2002, 09:41 PM

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Originally posted by gtsr515
Definetly the "E", the "B" has overlap and with the AOD thats really bad, the "F" is good too, but a bit too much for you at this time. X is a door stop.

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is the "B" the only cam with overlap...lmao. The E is the worst cam for the AOD as it has less overlap, a narrow powerband and poor low end performance. AODogs need all the low end help they can get.

Go with the F as it has a 114 LSA, which is AOD freindly.

E-110 LSA
B-112 LSA
F- 114 LSA

93GTDIN · 06-05-2002, 01:06 AM

how is the idle on the F303 cam? Is it like stock, lumpier than stock, or say, alot rougher than stock?

06-03-2002, 01:23 PM	#1
93GTDIN Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Live music capital of the world, TX Posts: 324	which alphabet cam I have Trick Flow TW Aluminum heads, Arias 10:1 pistons, trick flow intake, and longtube headers (among other minor bolt ons). Which alphabet cam is best for me? (B,E,F,X,Z, etc) (Ps. I dont have the blower anymore) __________________ 96 Cobra - a bit too stock. 14.0 @ 101

06-03-2002, 02:19 PM	#2
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	Although most people will tell you to just stick with the stock cam cause an aftermarket cam wont make much difference with stock heads........I say go with the B-cam, I think it matches your combo the best. Some guys knock off a tenth or two with the B-cam on stock heads, and it has a nice lumpy idle. Later, __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

06-03-2002, 03:11 PM	#3
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	If you have to stick with an alphabet cam, get the F cam. It has nice #'s and you should see better power than the B and E cams. But, personally I would get a Comp cams XE cam or a custom cam. Good luck though. -Billy __________________ 95' GT: 306, XL Ross Pistons, Ultra Lite H-beam Rods, Forged Scat Crank, 28oz Romac, 28oz JW flexplate, FTI ported RPM II intake, FTI ported AFR 165's, FTI custom cam, 75mm BBK Throttle body, 80mm Pro-M, 4800 PI stall, PA Super Comp AODE, Strange 33 spline race axles, Strange ultra lite spool, Motive lite 4.30's, Strange rear race brakes, Mega bite seniors, double adjustable uppers w/spherical bushings, Racecraft anti-roll bar, LPW rear end girdle, Metco d/s loop, A9L conversion, AFM PMS

06-03-2002, 05:01 PM	#4
gtsr515 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Sunny, Hot, Sebring, Florida Posts: 725	Definetly the "E", the "B" has overlap and with the AOD thats really bad, the "F" is good too, but a bit too much for you at this time. X is a door stop. I'd stick with the stocker. The "S" cam as I call it. __________________ Remember...2nd place is 1st place for losers!

06-03-2002, 05:13 PM	#6
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	The people to talk to would be the techs at Trick Flow. They just recommended the Stage 2 cam for me. Since your stuff is Trick Flow, I'm sure they would have the best answer. __________________ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

06-03-2002, 06:58 PM	#7
929PhoenixSquid Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Joosey Shore Posts: 358	Well..... I would recommend my Bunny's cam, but she'd kill me . So.......I say F cam __________________ 1988 5.0 notch: Previously never modified!! SN95 block front and rear seats, Mac catback, BBK off-road H-pipe, Steeda castor camber plates, Steeda lowering springs, Tokico shocks/struts, Alpine/MBQuart/PPI audio mods...

06-03-2002, 09:41 PM	#8
n20lx Registered Member Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 495	I dyno'd at 308 hp when I was running a similar set up with the E303. Car was as clean throgh the emissions test with the cat on as stock. When I put the E in there wasn't much else. There are much better cams now. Check out the Anderson N4 or N6.

06-03-2002, 11:35 PM	#9
RayC76 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 29	Why would you want to throw a cam engineered in the stone age and made for the masses in your car. Spend the extra dough and get a cam made for YOUR combo and how YOU drive. I would try Buddy Rawls www.wighat.com/fcr3/ . I have spoken to him and plan on getting a cam this fall. Others that I have talked to that have a cam of his are impressed. Also, there is Ed Curtis up at flow tech induction that does great work also. But he is very busy from what I hear. jmo and some thoughts. Ray __________________ 94 White Cobra #4502 M5 3.73 Full exhaust,tokiko springs,cobra rr hood 90 Wild Strawberry lx M5 2.73 Full exhaust, all else stock 95 Black Z28 A4 3.42 Full exhaust,CAI,ss rims

06-03-2002, 11:36 PM	#10
93GTDIN Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Live music capital of the world, TX Posts: 324	the reason I am sticking to an alphabet cam is because they are the only cams anybody keeps in stock! I cant find any TFS 1 or 2 cams. I was also looking at the powermax 2020 from crane but nobody has it either. How much power do you think i'll make at the motor with this combo? (+ longtubes, no emissions, no cats, etc) Desktop dyno seems to say about 380 - 390 ish... is that off? __________________ 96 Cobra - a bit too stock. 14.0 @ 101

06-04-2002, 07:28 AM	#12
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	OOPS!!! ---I missed the part about the Trick flow heads. Really....Im not a retard I just play one on the internet After re-reading I agree with the E-cam __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

06-04-2002, 11:32 AM	#13
jimberg Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Rogers, MN Posts: 2,089	jdsperformance.com may have TFS cams in stock. Summit has them on backorder. __________________ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible

06-04-2002, 11:52 AM	#14
sn95gt19 motors done......woohooo Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 799	i have the e cam, i didnt really notice any difference except, surging idle, and low vaccum. thats the one thing that i overlooked when building my motor. i had the b cam previously and that was a lot better except the power band was soo high, didnt really make power until 4200-rev limiter. but when it did get up high it pulled like crazy. i have heard a lot about the f cam, mostly good so i would say that or a trick flow cam. __________________ 95gt lazer red (98 cobra clone) Rice Haters Club Member #116

06-04-2002, 06:52 PM	#15
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	The F303 is a supercharger cam with a lot of LSA built in. Should help your AOD in the low end category. If you're gonna throw an XE series cam in there, you had best make sure your springs will handle it. XE cams have ridiculous amounts of lift.

06-04-2002, 07:04 PM	#16
Unit 5302 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 5,246	Oh, I also see a lot of the bashing of the Motorsports cams because they use ancient technology. I'd like somebody to explain to me why another cam is better rather than just rattle off some crap somebody else told them. The Motorsports cams are proven to make power, they are inexpensive, and they last. Actually, we'll take my specific recommendation, the F303. Keep in mind, the difference between a really sweet cam and a stock cam will probably be in the neighborhood of 30-40hp. A good cam will give you 20-30hp over stock. So all the extra work of getting the custom cam is only gonna get a person 10hp in a setup like mentioned above, if they get a sweet one.

06-04-2002, 08:24 PM	#17
andy669 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Moline Il Posts: 901	The Trick Flow Stage 2 cam is the same as the Anderson B4. .542/.563~224-232 with a 112 lobe sep. It is an excellent blower cam. The Anderson B4 is now sold as the B41. I'm not sure what the revision was (or if there was one) but I am sure that it is just as good, if not better. Andy __________________ 88 coupe 91 LX NMRA Pure Street 5120

06-05-2002, 01:06 AM	#20
93GTDIN Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Live music capital of the world, TX Posts: 324	how is the idle on the F303 cam? Is it like stock, lumpier than stock, or say, alot rougher than stock? __________________ 96 Cobra - a bit too stock. 14.0 @ 101

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