Better new times but they still stink

moponys · 07-01-2002, 01:03 PM

The last first time I went to the track I was only able to get down to 14.90 at about 94mph.

This time I went down to 14.59 at 97.35mph. This was after putting in a 2500 stall converter. I was noticing that my times would get slower as the tranny heated up. Is this normal and would it be wise for me to put a tranny cooler on or a deeper tranny fluid pan or even both?

I think my car should definately be in the 13s but it's not tuned right. Do you guys have any recommendations for me.

Thanks,

Tony

explicitone · 07-01-2002, 01:07 PM

yes aod just get worse when they heat up
I would get a cooler and a pan
with what I seen in your sig I think you sould be running fast then 13s
what kind of 60fts are you getting
I would get it on a dyno and have it tuned

lx mike · 07-01-2002, 01:08 PM

What tires do you use at the track?? How do you launch ??

yes get a cooler and maybe even a deep pan if possible. that converter heats up the fluid a bit more than stock cause of slippage

explicitone · 07-01-2002, 01:08 PM

I would also ditch the 18s on the track and go with some 15s or 16s those 18s are going to slow you down..

moponys · 07-01-2002, 01:15 PM

Thanks guys...

Next payday I'm gonna order a deeper pan and cooler. I was running on street tires. I also need to invest in some wheels and tires for the track.

I think my best 60ft time was 2.20.

I was launching by doing a brake stand with the rpms at about 1700. I they go any higher, I roll through the line.

When I get a chance, I'm gonna put it on a dyno too. The only problem is that I don't have much free time because of the wife and kids. It's just really frustrating with I see so many cars with less mods blowing me away...

tarmon8r · 07-01-2002, 01:36 PM

you know, i think if you just get a good set of slicks, or even drag radials, you will see your car come alive, and your e.t plummet.

explicitone · 07-01-2002, 01:43 PM

Just keep at it
I know it can be upseting to run slower with more mods
just remember if you need any more help were all here to help

moponys · 07-01-2002, 01:55 PM

I won't give up...

My wife wants me to get rid of the car but I veto'd that real quick...

Hopefully the dyno will help a lot with my times.

Thanks...

moponys · 07-02-2002, 12:57 PM

One last thing...

I think my differential is gone or going out.

When I would do my burnout, people were telling me that only one of my tires was spinning...

I'm assuming that when I'm going down the track only one wheel is putting power to the ground. Could this be the cause of the crap times too.

Thanks Guys...

tarmon8r · 07-02-2002, 01:03 PM

traction baby, traction.

get some tire

i have read that if you put the car in reverse before you do your burnout , it will help lock both tires in your differential. but just till you move again. once you do you have to put it in reverse again to help lock it up.

jonnyk · 07-02-2002, 08:58 PM

What are you shifting at? That can be a big factor with a heads/cam/intake car. That MPH looks REALLY low for what you have. What altitude is the track at? What about fuel pressure, where is that set?

srv1 · 07-02-2002, 10:38 PM

Moponys. i attached my timeslip i just ran Sunday. this was my first time drag racing. my opinion is you get a better cooler for your trans. then since you have a 94 i would recommend a chip for your mods. i hear that the 94-95's have some problems with mods. then i would get slicks. dont give up, if i can run these times with my mods below, then you can run even better with the bugs worked out easily! good luck!

moponys · 07-09-2002, 03:21 PM

Thanks for your replies guys...

I was manually shifting at 5800rpms and my fuel pressure was set at 48psi.

The track altitude can be more that 3 or 4 hundred feet above sea level.

I already have a custom jms chip with all the current mods burnt onto the chip.

Besides the hot tranny I think one of the other things that is screwing me up is that my differential seems to be worn out. When I do my burnout, only one wheel is spinning. So Im guessing that only one wheel is putting power down to the groud when Im going down the track. What do you guys think?

jonnyk · 07-09-2002, 06:56 PM

That RPM for shifting sounds about right, but the fuel pressure sounds way high to me (~40 psi more like it?). Might want to tinker with the fuel pressure a bit and see if that helps. Other than that, next time note the temperature, humidity, and barometer when you're at the track and try altitude correcting it using some of the online programs available. The tranny and rearend can definitely affect your ET's as well.

tarmon8r · 07-09-2002, 07:54 PM

well, both tires will help you off the line until a tire starts to spin, then all the power goes to that one tire and then the speed of that tire doubles, so as to increase the lack of traction you already have. take my recommendation above before you do your burnout and launch at the starting line. it cant hurt.

red82gt · 07-09-2002, 08:44 PM

How do you like your sportsman pros? I ordered a set of 26x10.5 15's and they should be here any day now. Best 60' I could get with my 235/45ZR 17 Yoko's was a 2.199.
What kind of 60' times can you get with them and what pressure do you run them at @ the track? Do you do a dry burnout or just touch the waterbox with them? I'm hoping to get my 60's into the 1.8's with these tires.

sn95gt19 · 07-09-2002, 09:42 PM

i would go with a 4.10 with the aod. my buddy went from 3.55's to a 4.10 in his auto 95gt and it made a world of difference. he had all the same mods as you except the heads, and he could only get a 14.20 out of it(with the 3.55's)that dropped to 13.50 with the 4.10 and some slicks.

tarmon8r · 07-09-2002, 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by red82gt
How do you like your sportsman pros? I ordered a set of 26x10.5 15's and they should be here any day now. Best 60' I could get with my 235/45ZR 17 Yoko's was a 2.199.
What kind of 60' times can you get with them and what pressure do you run them at @ the track? Do you do a dry burnout or just touch the waterbox with them? I'm hoping to get my 60's into the 1.8's with these tires.

i love my mickey thompsons' sportman pro's. i had a 325 hp motor before and still running the 7.5 rear w 3:73 ( came with the car), my best 60' was 1.65 with an 8.04 1/8 mile @ 89 mph.

i stayed away from the water, did my one legged burnout and pulled up to the line, no dry hop. i ran my pressure at 10-14 #. it pulled the left front tire off the ground. no suspension upgrades or nothing, just tired ***** shocks and v-6 springs (orginal v-6 car). i guess i was just lucky i have never had to really search for traction with these tires. and i dont even have a tube in them as they recommend and/or require.

red82gt · 07-09-2002, 11:16 PM

tarmon8r, I'm loving the sound of that. Last time at the track, I had a bad bog (too small of a pump shot)1/4 (14.07)with a 2.424 60' @ 104.77mph so with a decent 60' and getting some decent power for the full run rather than from 100 ft out I think I could get very low 13's. I guess we'll find out.

07-01-2002, 01:03 PM	#1
moponys Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Antioch, CA 94521 Posts: 181	Better new times but they still stink The last first time I went to the track I was only able to get down to 14.90 at about 94mph. This time I went down to 14.59 at 97.35mph. This was after putting in a 2500 stall converter. I was noticing that my times would get slower as the tranny heated up. Is this normal and would it be wise for me to put a tranny cooler on or a deeper tranny fluid pan or even both? I think my car should definately be in the 13s but it's not tuned right. Do you guys have any recommendations for me. Thanks, Tony __________________ N/A 94 GT vert w/aode...12.19 @110 w1.67 60' Some bolt ons

07-01-2002, 01:07 PM	#2
explicitone Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: racine ,wi Posts: 691	yes aod just get worse when they heat up I would get a cooler and a pan with what I seen in your sig I think you sould be running fast then 13s what kind of 60fts are you getting I would get it on a dyno and have it tuned __________________ RUN IT STAIGHT AND RUN IT HARD ________ Novi 2000 60' 1.46 1/4 10.67 mph 126.5 _________

07-01-2002, 01:08 PM	#3
lx mike Undescribable Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Ft Myers Fla Posts: 1,539	What tires do you use at the track?? How do you launch ?? yes get a cooler and maybe even a deep pan if possible. that converter heats up the fluid a bit more than stock cause of slippage __________________ Rice Haters Club Member #101

07-01-2002, 01:08 PM	#4
explicitone Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: racine ,wi Posts: 691	I would also ditch the 18s on the track and go with some 15s or 16s those 18s are going to slow you down.. __________________ RUN IT STAIGHT AND RUN IT HARD ________ Novi 2000 60' 1.46 1/4 10.67 mph 126.5 _________

07-01-2002, 01:15 PM	#5
moponys Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Antioch, CA 94521 Posts: 181	Thanks guys... Next payday I'm gonna order a deeper pan and cooler. I was running on street tires. I also need to invest in some wheels and tires for the track. I think my best 60ft time was 2.20. I was launching by doing a brake stand with the rpms at about 1700. I they go any higher, I roll through the line. When I get a chance, I'm gonna put it on a dyno too. The only problem is that I don't have much free time because of the wife and kids. It's just really frustrating with I see so many cars with less mods blowing me away... __________________ N/A 94 GT vert w/aode...12.19 @110 w1.67 60' Some bolt ons

07-01-2002, 01:36 PM	#6
tarmon8r Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: manassas, va Posts: 186	you know, i think if you just get a good set of slicks, or even drag radials, you will see your car come alive, and your e.t plummet.

07-01-2002, 01:43 PM	#7
explicitone Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: racine ,wi Posts: 691	Just keep at it I know it can be upseting to run slower with more mods just remember if you need any more help were all here to help __________________ RUN IT STAIGHT AND RUN IT HARD ________ Novi 2000 60' 1.46 1/4 10.67 mph 126.5 _________

07-01-2002, 01:55 PM	#8
moponys Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Antioch, CA 94521 Posts: 181	I won't give up... My wife wants me to get rid of the car but I veto'd that real quick... Hopefully the dyno will help a lot with my times. Thanks... __________________ N/A 94 GT vert w/aode...12.19 @110 w1.67 60' Some bolt ons

07-02-2002, 12:57 PM	#9
moponys Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Antioch, CA 94521 Posts: 181	One last thing... I think my differential is gone or going out. When I would do my burnout, people were telling me that only one of my tires was spinning... I'm assuming that when I'm going down the track only one wheel is putting power to the ground. Could this be the cause of the crap times too. Thanks Guys... __________________ N/A 94 GT vert w/aode...12.19 @110 w1.67 60' Some bolt ons

07-02-2002, 01:03 PM	#10
tarmon8r Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: manassas, va Posts: 186	traction baby, traction. get some tire i have read that if you put the car in reverse before you do your burnout , it will help lock both tires in your differential. but just till you move again. once you do you have to put it in reverse again to help lock it up.

07-02-2002, 08:58 PM	#11
jonnyk Being stroked is great Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 772	What are you shifting at? That can be a big factor with a heads/cam/intake car. That MPH looks REALLY low for what you have. What altitude is the track at? What about fuel pressure, where is that set? __________________ Novi 2000 now spinning off the snout of the 331... Mods Pics

07-09-2002, 03:21 PM	#13
moponys Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Antioch, CA 94521 Posts: 181	Thanks for your replies guys... I was manually shifting at 5800rpms and my fuel pressure was set at 48psi. The track altitude can be more that 3 or 4 hundred feet above sea level. I already have a custom jms chip with all the current mods burnt onto the chip. Besides the hot tranny I think one of the other things that is screwing me up is that my differential seems to be worn out. When I do my burnout, only one wheel is spinning. So Im guessing that only one wheel is putting power down to the groud when Im going down the track. What do you guys think? __________________ N/A 94 GT vert w/aode...12.19 @110 w1.67 60' Some bolt ons

07-09-2002, 06:56 PM	#14
jonnyk Being stroked is great Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 772	That RPM for shifting sounds about right, but the fuel pressure sounds way high to me (~40 psi more like it?). Might want to tinker with the fuel pressure a bit and see if that helps. Other than that, next time note the temperature, humidity, and barometer when you're at the track and try altitude correcting it using some of the online programs available. The tranny and rearend can definitely affect your ET's as well. __________________ Novi 2000 now spinning off the snout of the 331... Mods Pics

07-09-2002, 07:54 PM	#15
tarmon8r Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: manassas, va Posts: 186	well, both tires will help you off the line until a tire starts to spin, then all the power goes to that one tire and then the speed of that tire doubles, so as to increase the lack of traction you already have. take my recommendation above before you do your burnout and launch at the starting line. it cant hurt. __________________ 1983 mustang, 393 cubic inch stroker small block, victor jr heads and intake, gold race 1.6 roller rockers. comp cam 304, 244@ .050. .576" hydralic retro roller cam,lunati rods. block was o-ringed,10:1 forged pistons, speed pro fit fit rings, clevite bearings,msd distributor and igniton,be cool huge radiator, black lite electric fan, march underdrive pulleys, mildon deep sump oil pan, mac 1 3.4" long tube headers, 3" dr gas x-pipe and mac exhaust,ARP bolts. car weighs 2900 lbs w/out driver, sub frames, weld wheels, mickey thompson sportsman pro 26 x 10.5 x 15's,#8 fuel line steel braided

07-09-2002, 08:44 PM	#16
red82gt Sober voice of Reason Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Kelowna, B.C., Canada Posts: 1,514	tarmon8r How do you like your sportsman pros? I ordered a set of 26x10.5 15's and they should be here any day now. Best 60' I could get with my 235/45ZR 17 Yoko's was a 2.199. What kind of 60' times can you get with them and what pressure do you run them at @ the track? Do you do a dry burnout or just touch the waterbox with them? I'm hoping to get my 60's into the 1.8's with these tires. __________________ 393W: AFR 205's, hydraulic roller, TKO600.

07-09-2002, 09:42 PM	#17
sn95gt19 motors done......woohooo Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 799	i would go with a 4.10 with the aod. my buddy went from 3.55's to a 4.10 in his auto 95gt and it made a world of difference. he had all the same mods as you except the heads, and he could only get a 14.20 out of it(with the 3.55's)that dropped to 13.50 with the 4.10 and some slicks. __________________ 95gt lazer red (98 cobra clone) Rice Haters Club Member #116

07-09-2002, 11:16 PM	#19
red82gt Sober voice of Reason Join Date: Nov 1998 Location: Kelowna, B.C., Canada Posts: 1,514	tarmon8r, I'm loving the sound of that. Last time at the track, I had a bad bog (too small of a pump shot)1/4 (14.07)with a 2.424 60' @ 104.77mph so with a decent 60' and getting some decent power for the full run rather than from 100 ft out I think I could get very low 13's. I guess we'll find out. __________________ 393W: AFR 205's, hydraulic roller, TKO600.

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