Timeslips attached/ need suggestions

Kamaro Killer · 12-02-2002, 02:08 PM

Here are the timeslips from this last weekend. I was the number 60 car. Mike was in the 59 car, despite the number 51 on the last pass, it was Mike (the deuce). My family keeps asking me what I want for Christmas so I'm getting all car parts. IMO, the timeslips are correct (correct time/ speed) and the speed was low for two reasons; because it was my first trip to the track, and because my car wasn't tuned correctly. I ran without the s/c because I think the bearings are going out on it. By the time I run again, it'll be hooked up. I need suggestions on what I should do next, add more support for the s/c (injectors, fuel pump), or add an intake, or add suspension parts? I want this to be a daily driver that can dip into the mid to high 12's. (I can't get heads or a cam yet) If you have any other suggestions other than what I listed, please let me know. Thanks, Keith

Kamaro Killer · 12-02-2002, 02:11 PM

Second run. I progressively get better on my reaction time, but my first run was the best overall run out of them all.

Kamaro Killer · 12-02-2002, 02:12 PM

Third run

Kamaro Killer · 12-02-2002, 02:14 PM

Fourth run. I missed third on this run due to the stock shifter and my lack of experience.

Mystic_Cobra96 · 12-02-2002, 02:24 PM

Forgive me for saying, but if you're running 15s, you either have a V6 or you DO need some good suggestions.

With a 1.0 reaction, you did what many beginners do. You probably waited until you saw green before hitting the gas.
You should leave when you see the last yellow.
What were you driving anyway?
I'm no expert, but I've been down the strip a few times.
My best is 13.8 at 102 in my 96 Cobra with a few mods.

Kamaro Killer · 12-02-2002, 02:30 PM

Here was the last run. I finally got the jump on Mike, but lost it in between 2nd and 3rd. I was driving my 93 5.0 without the s/c. Any suggestions are welcome, thanks, Keith.

Oh yeah, if you suggest sticky tires, please specify which ones.

Mystic_Cobra96 · 12-02-2002, 02:47 PM

At what rpm are you launching? Are you spinning the tires?
At what rpm do you shift?
Even a stock 5.0 should run 15.0 or better, I think. My ragged out 89 GT ran 15.0 at 90 mph with 130,000 miles on it and no mods. That was my first time at the strip.
If you plan to keep this thing and keep visiting the strip, get gears. 3.55 or 3.73

The Deuce · 12-02-2002, 03:01 PM

I think I need to get some traction.

You need to bump the timing and run an n/a plug. Or you could get the blower fixed. Either way, I'll still beat you.

Dark_5.0 · 12-02-2002, 03:36 PM

Deuce your 60ft's are the worst I have ever seen. If you would slip the clutch out of the whole instead of spinning the H3LL out of the tires you would run consistant 14's.

I dont care what anyone says, that track is phucked.

any 86 and up GT should be able to hit 90mph bone stock.

I really dont know what to say

Kamaro Killer · 12-02-2002, 04:02 PM

Quote:

I really dont know what to say

Suggest something that I can buy to help improve my times, lol. Thanks, Keith

The Deuce · 12-02-2002, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Dark_5.0
Deuce your 60ft's are the worst I have ever seen. If you would slip the clutch out of the whole instead of spinning the H3LL out of the tires you would run consistant 14's.

I dont care what anyone says, that track is phucked.

any 86 and up GT should be able to hit 90mph bone stock.

I really dont know what to say

It was like driving on ice man. I left like a little old lady the time I cut a 2.59. I'm thinking I could launch in second w/o spinning. The track was really cold. Guys I talked to were .2-.3 off their 60's, and those are guys with slicks.

ultraflo · 12-02-2002, 05:47 PM

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Originally posted by Kamaro Killer
Suggest something that I can buy to help improve my times, lol. Thanks, Keith

slicks? what gears are you running btw?

what are you shifting at? do you use a shift light and an aftermarket tach?

Are you shifting it like a grain truck (long delay between gear changes)... if you run an auto forget I mentioned that

Dark_5.0 · 12-02-2002, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by Kamaro Killer
Suggest something that I can buy to help improve my times, lol. Thanks, Keith

Reguardless of traction your trap speed suggest a lack of HP. I suggest checking all of your plug wires and make sure one of them isnt burned up or something.

When I first bought my stang and it was stock it ran a 15.4 @87mph.............Clogged cat's were my problem I installed an O/R X-pipe and ran a 14.79 @93mph.

Finding out whats wrong with your car and slicks should drop you into the 14's no problem.

If your car is a 4 lug I have some rims you can have. So you can mount some slicks on them.

Later,

Kamaro Killer · 12-02-2002, 06:31 PM

I was shifting around 5000 rpm's each time I shifted. I tried to vary it, and shift around 4500 rpm's on first gear, and it didn't do anything. I think one of the things that held me back is how long I would spin before I got traction. I have BFG Comp T/A's on the rear in 225/50/16 on a 4 lug rim. I need to get slicks, but I'm not sure which kind to look into, what size (s) to look for, or even how much backspacing I have to use. I am working on getting a tach with a shift light, but money's tight right now (like it ever isn't, lol) so I'm trying to trade someone for their tach. My car's basically a stock engine (see profile for mods, on the 93) seeing as how the s/c is unhooked right now. Any help is appreciated, thanks, Keith

Dark_5.0 · 12-02-2002, 07:10 PM

You need some 26X15X8....slicks Mickey thompson or Hoosier.

ultraflo · 12-02-2002, 07:37 PM

...stickey Mickey's all the way!!!!!!!

I wouldn't recommend wasting your time or money on anything else. I picked up .2 in the 1/4 from a tire swap (28x10 Goodyear Eagles to 28x10.5 M/T ET Drags)

Trust me on this one... I was told the same before I tried out the Eagles, and couldn't believe the difference between the two.

Just look at all of the small tired outlaw cars... 7's on M/T 28x10.5's

Excessive tire spin will hurt your MPH, btw

Skyman · 12-04-2002, 04:26 AM

With that trap speed its not traction. I suggest you shift at 5300rpm in each gear, the stock tach is off, and 4500 is definatly way to low. Make quick clean shifts. Your on street tires, and I knwo carlsbad! Launch at 2000rpm and slip out the clutch as you roll in the gas. Turn your timing to 14, and gap your plugs to .50. Make sure your wires are all good, cap and rotor, and might as well put in new plugs while your changing them.

What fuel pump and or injectors do you have?

Skyler

TransAm86 · 12-04-2002, 10:10 AM

There is definatly something wrong with you car and/or driving! I say it must be the car. I have an 87 GT 160000 miles on it, bone stock(no K&N, nothing), 235 tires and I ran an 14,7 @ 93,5mph. I launched by slipping the clutch and shifted around 6000 everytime.

Like Skyman said with that trap speed its not a traction problem, or maybe your letting the pedal go before the end.

My 86 Trans Am with stock 305(LG4, 165 hp) managed a 16.2 @ 82mph.

You should not have a problem getting low 15's with a stock Stang. My friends 88 Notch did a 15,4 and he cant drive for ****.

Keep us posted,
Nik

Kamaro Killer · 12-04-2002, 12:58 PM

well, alright, maybe I am.

This is what I think may have been wrong.

1.) I pulled the external belt off the s/c. Instead of rerouting the air tube, I just let it run thorough the s/c. From what I've gathered, the impeller was really blocking the air since it wasn't being used.

2.) Since I have a s/c the timing was most likely set back to 8 or 9 degress btdc. I got lazy and didn't even check it before I went.

3.) I wasn't powershifting.

4.) Instead of easing into the gas, I was pushing the pedal to the floor, without powershifting.

5.) My lack of experience

6.) I was using autolite 23's gapped at .34 even with the s/c unhooked.

I did replace my plugs a few days before I went, but I had my s/c hooked up at the time, so I went with Autolite 23's. I replaced my cap & rotor at the same time too. I also changed my oil, right before I left. The only thing I did to prep my car before the races was to let the air out of my BFG comp T/A's down to 25psi. I have the stock 19 lb injectors and as far as I know the stock fuel pump (I just bought the car, I'm still unsure of a few things about it) I will be adding some mods to it (rebuilt s/c

, along with a few other things) before I head to the track again. Just keep the suggestions coming, I appreciate the help, Keith

12-02-2002, 02:24 PM	#5
Mystic_Cobra96 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 6	Forgive me for saying, but if you're running 15s, you either have a V6 or you DO need some good suggestions. With a 1.0 reaction, you did what many beginners do. You probably waited until you saw green before hitting the gas. You should leave when you see the last yellow. What were you driving anyway? I'm no expert, but I've been down the strip a few times. My best is 13.8 at 102 in my 96 Cobra with a few mods. __________________ Jimmy Bost 96 MYSSTIC Cobra

12-02-2002, 02:47 PM	#7
Mystic_Cobra96 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 6	At what rpm are you launching? Are you spinning the tires? At what rpm do you shift? Even a stock 5.0 should run 15.0 or better, I think. My ragged out 89 GT ran 15.0 at 90 mph with 130,000 miles on it and no mods. That was my first time at the strip. If you plan to keep this thing and keep visiting the strip, get gears. 3.55 or 3.73 __________________ Jimmy Bost 96 MYSSTIC Cobra

12-02-2002, 03:01 PM	#8
The Deuce Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,325	I think I need to get some traction. You need to bump the timing and run an n/a plug. Or you could get the blower fixed. Either way, I'll still beat you. __________________ 1997 Mustang GT "The Freak" - 13.80 @ 101.70, 2.07 60' 1995 Honda VFR750 - not much @ really fast (actual data pending.) 1964.5 Mustang 289 Rice Haters Club Member #13

12-02-2002, 03:36 PM	#9
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	Deuce your 60ft's are the worst I have ever seen. If you would slip the clutch out of the whole instead of spinning the H3LL out of the tires you would run consistant 14's. I dont care what anyone says, that track is phucked. any 86 and up GT should be able to hit 90mph bone stock. I really dont know what to say __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

12-02-2002, 06:31 PM	#14
Kamaro Killer Mustang Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 528	I was shifting around 5000 rpm's each time I shifted. I tried to vary it, and shift around 4500 rpm's on first gear, and it didn't do anything. I think one of the things that held me back is how long I would spin before I got traction. I have BFG Comp T/A's on the rear in 225/50/16 on a 4 lug rim. I need to get slicks, but I'm not sure which kind to look into, what size (s) to look for, or even how much backspacing I have to use. I am working on getting a tach with a shift light, but money's tight right now (like it ever isn't, lol) so I'm trying to trade someone for their tach. My car's basically a stock engine (see profile for mods, on the 93) seeing as how the s/c is unhooked right now. Any help is appreciated, thanks, Keith __________________ 1993 GT 5.0-My Stang Rice Hater's Club Member 22

12-02-2002, 07:10 PM	#15
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	You need some 26X15X8....slicks Mickey thompson or Hoosier. __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

12-02-2002, 07:37 PM	#16
ultraflo NX dealer-man Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Peoria, Illinois Posts: 977	...stickey Mickey's all the way!!!!!!! I wouldn't recommend wasting your time or money on anything else. I picked up .2 in the 1/4 from a tire swap (28x10 Goodyear Eagles to 28x10.5 M/T ET Drags) Trust me on this one... I was told the same before I tried out the Eagles, and couldn't believe the difference between the two. Just look at all of the small tired outlaw cars... 7's on M/T 28x10.5's Excessive tire spin will hurt your MPH, btw

12-04-2002, 04:26 AM	#17
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	With that trap speed its not traction. I suggest you shift at 5300rpm in each gear, the stock tach is off, and 4500 is definatly way to low. Make quick clean shifts. Your on street tires, and I knwo carlsbad! Launch at 2000rpm and slip out the clutch as you roll in the gas. Turn your timing to 14, and gap your plugs to .50. Make sure your wires are all good, cap and rotor, and might as well put in new plugs while your changing them. What fuel pump and or injectors do you have? Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

12-04-2002, 10:10 AM	#18
TransAm86 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gatineau, Qc, Canada Posts: 62	There is definatly something wrong with you car and/or driving! I say it must be the car. I have an 87 GT 160000 miles on it, bone stock(no K&N, nothing), 235 tires and I ran an 14,7 @ 93,5mph. I launched by slipping the clutch and shifted around 6000 everytime. Like Skyman said with that trap speed its not a traction problem, or maybe your letting the pedal go before the end. My 86 Trans Am with stock 305(LG4, 165 hp) managed a 16.2 @ 82mph. You should not have a problem getting low 15's with a stock Stang. My friends 88 Notch did a 15,4 and he cant drive for ****. Keep us posted, Nik __________________

12-04-2002, 12:58 PM	#19
Kamaro Killer Mustang Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 528	I'm not making excuses.. well, alright, maybe I am. This is what I think may have been wrong. 1.) I pulled the external belt off the s/c. Instead of rerouting the air tube, I just let it run thorough the s/c. From what I've gathered, the impeller was really blocking the air since it wasn't being used. 2.) Since I have a s/c the timing was most likely set back to 8 or 9 degress btdc. I got lazy and didn't even check it before I went. 3.) I wasn't powershifting. 4.) Instead of easing into the gas, I was pushing the pedal to the floor, without powershifting. 5.) My lack of experience 6.) I was using autolite 23's gapped at .34 even with the s/c unhooked. I did replace my plugs a few days before I went, but I had my s/c hooked up at the time, so I went with Autolite 23's. I replaced my cap & rotor at the same time too. I also changed my oil, right before I left. The only thing I did to prep my car before the races was to let the air out of my BFG comp T/A's down to 25psi. I have the stock 19 lb injectors and as far as I know the stock fuel pump (I just bought the car, I'm still unsure of a few things about it) I will be adding some mods to it (rebuilt s/c , along with a few other things) before I head to the track again. Just keep the suggestions coming, I appreciate the help, Keith __________________ 1993 GT 5.0-My Stang Rice Hater's Club Member 22

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