cheapest way to 300

Torinalth · 01-24-2003, 01:12 AM

hey guys,

I'm going to go back to college and doing so I'm going to sell my 2002 and get my brothers 89GT for some odd 2k. now I'm really going to miss the power my 4.6 modular gave me, and would like to take a stock 5.0 to get about 300 HP out of it.

thing is that I want to keep the cost as low as possible so i can get it all payed off by summers end.

what would be needed to put down 300 HP and be very happy with a stable motor that will do reliable power and not cost me and arm and a leg.... I'm used to researching for modulars, so the windsor area is out of my normal relm.... any help?

Torinalth

Mach 1 · 01-24-2003, 03:36 AM

A good set of aftermarket aluminum heads, a camshaft, roller rockers, intake manifold, 65mm Throttle body, bigger MAF meter, headers and a good exhaust system will net you around 300 HP.

That will set you back around $2500.

Oh, I forget 24lb. injectors.

86GT · 01-24-2003, 09:18 AM

I agree with Mach1. TFS heads (cheap but are awesome). Good cam, intake, injectors. Or of course Nitrous will get you there too. Take a look at some combinations in the User's Rides section, and see what they have. A favorite used to be TFS Twisted Wedge heads, E-303 cam (there are better out there though) and an Edelbrock Performer intake with 24lbers, 65mm throttle body/spacer, 75mm MAS.

Hope that helps.

Torinalth · 01-24-2003, 01:34 PM

tried to find the cheapest possible but its kinda hard...

for a total of 2300 I was able to price out

TFS heads
TFS upper and lower intake
pro-m 75mm bullet
holley TB
push rods
e303 cam
cam sprocket and chain

and that about covers it..... that does not seem to be enough to get me to 300, as you stated earlier about getting a good exhaust, something like BBK longs with an H and strait through mufflers.... which in its self will add another 1k.... man... not going FI is getting expensive....

Torinalth

Ackbar00 · 01-24-2003, 02:19 PM

Just reaad my profile

Dark_5.0 · 01-24-2003, 02:53 PM

I dont have fancy heads or even an aftermarket cam and I totaly destroy the 4.6's in my 5.0 even the 96-01 cobras.

Torinalth · 01-24-2003, 03:44 PM

ackbar - so still looking at heads and intake manifold running me around 1500..... and by bolt ons.... what does that include

that including MAF, TB, and full exhaust? that alone would double the cost.....

01-24-2003, 06:35 PM

It's going to take more than $2,000 to achieve 300+ horsepower. You could always get the stock heads worked over with bigger valves & some porting. That would save you some $$ and still perform pretty close to out of the box/aftermarket/big valve alum. heads. You could always get a used intake off of e-bay to save even more $$.

bigred90gt · 01-24-2003, 08:18 PM

Nitrous.

Caymon

Mach 1 · 01-24-2003, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigred90gt
Nitrous.

Well, he did say "cheapest", so that would be the correct answer...

Ackbar00 · 01-24-2003, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Torinalth
ackbar - so still looking at heads and intake manifold running me around 1500..... and by bolt ons.... what does that include that including MAF, TB, and full exhaust? that alone would double the cost.....

Look for used parts. Everything on my car is hand-me-downs. I got the heads & intake for 1200$ meter for 65$ and TB for 100$. but the others are right. NOS would be the CHEAPEST. About 550-600$ for a nice new system. Plus as you get more money to buy better parts, You will see better gains.

Mach 1 · 01-24-2003, 10:20 PM

Yeah, you can save a bundle buying used parts, and there are thousands of used stang parts out there.

Ive sold many myself.

84LX89GT · 01-25-2003, 12:47 AM

You want 300 hp on tap, and more with a simple swap.....get a SUPERCHARGER

For overall cost in the longrun and convenience of not having to get a bottle, i believe it would be best to get a supercharger. A vortech A trim, or powerdyne are usually advertised at under $2000 for a kit to start with (small HP kits, but will easily get you to 300 hp).
Building your engine may be not worth your time because of mileage or other reasons, plus it takes alot more time to build your engine right than it does to put on a supercharger kit.
A nitrous kit is the simplest solution and cheapest, but inconvenient because of refills.
300 horsepower is running just a little below the point where you'd have to start upgrading your fuel/ignition/suspension, etc. etc. etc. to deal with the extra power and torque, so that's probably a good number to go with. You may want to invest in subframe connectors and rear control arms to go with this stuff just because it makes driving your car better overall.
Good luck,

Mach 1 · 01-25-2003, 02:39 AM

Yeah, subframe connectors are a "must have" on any fox body, modified or not.

Coupe50h · 01-25-2003, 03:26 PM

ackbar are those heads 6037's you use?

i agree with dark5_0, i never really lose to the 99+ gt's, im still on stock heads, but probaly dont have anywhere near 300.

82 GT · 01-26-2003, 04:36 PM

A stock '89 allready has 225hp. IMO, a set of heads and exhaust system alone will yield you 300hp.

Torinalth · 01-26-2003, 08:55 PM

hmmm.... if i go with a cheap charger I'd like to go with something that is scalable to higher yields with just a pully change, and without having to drop in a new blower.... kinda looking at a Novi2k for 3grand or a procharger for 2.6.... much more gains, but still more than I'd like to spend to get the power i want.....

Torinalth

90GT Vert · 01-26-2003, 09:10 PM

i say rebuild the 302 block thats in it. get 9:5:1 hyperutetic (sp?) pistons if your goin to run it on the street, a set of AFR 165's w/ 1.6 roller rockers and some porting/polishing on the heads. a light-weight valve train (titanium everywhere

), a f-303 cam, TFS track heat intake, port and polish the intake too, 65 MM FRPP T/B, Pro-M/Anderson powerpipe package with 76 MM MAF, 24 FRPP injectors, adj. fuel pressure reg., 190lph intake fuel pump, frpp shorties, o/r x-pipe, bassani catback. that should get you in the 300rwhp++

oh yeah 0 deck the block too

Mach 1 · 01-26-2003, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 82 GT
A stock '89 allready has 225hp. IMO, a set of heads and exhaust system alone will yield you 300hp.

Heads and exhaust alone wont make 300 hp. If the heads are capable of making say, 50 HP over stock, that means with the supporting parts that will allow them to flow to thier potential, which means maf meter, TB, intake, etc....

82 GT · 01-27-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mach 1
Heads and exhaust alone wont make 300 hp. If the heads are capable of making say, 50 HP over stock, that means with the supporting parts that will allow them to flow to thier potential, which means maf meter, TB, intake, etc....

Ok, I didn't know the supporting parts were included like that.
It wouldn't really take that much money to be able to run with the 4.6 liters though.
With a set of pulleys,gears, advanced timing and exhaust, you should be able to run with a stock 4.6..even the '99-up engines.(excluding the cobra's)
If you had more money to spend I would say to build a 351w and be done with it.

01-24-2003, 01:12 AM	#1
Torinalth Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chapel Hill, NC - USA Posts: 188	cheapest way to 300 hey guys, I'm going to go back to college and doing so I'm going to sell my 2002 and get my brothers 89GT for some odd 2k. now I'm really going to miss the power my 4.6 modular gave me, and would like to take a stock 5.0 to get about 300 HP out of it. thing is that I want to keep the cost as low as possible so i can get it all payed off by summers end. what would be needed to put down 300 HP and be very happy with a stable motor that will do reliable power and not cost me and arm and a leg.... I'm used to researching for modulars, so the windsor area is out of my normal relm.... any help? Torinalth __________________ When you finally shut down the car, just sit back and remember the run.... win or lose, you know it was a surge of adreneline

01-24-2003, 03:36 AM	#2
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	A good set of aftermarket aluminum heads, a camshaft, roller rockers, intake manifold, 65mm Throttle body, bigger MAF meter, headers and a good exhaust system will net you around 300 HP. That will set you back around $2500. Oh, I forget 24lb. injectors. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

01-24-2003, 09:18 AM	#3
86GT Sniffed too much n20 Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Ont, Canada Posts: 1,018	I agree with Mach1. TFS heads (cheap but are awesome). Good cam, intake, injectors. Or of course Nitrous will get you there too. Take a look at some combinations in the User's Rides section, and see what they have. A favorite used to be TFS Twisted Wedge heads, E-303 cam (there are better out there though) and an Edelbrock Performer intake with 24lbers, 65mm throttle body/spacer, 75mm MAS. Hope that helps. __________________ 2002 Windsor Weekend Q16 Qualifier

01-24-2003, 01:34 PM	#4
Torinalth Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chapel Hill, NC - USA Posts: 188	tried to find the cheapest possible but its kinda hard... for a total of 2300 I was able to price out TFS heads TFS upper and lower intake pro-m 75mm bullet holley TB push rods e303 cam cam sprocket and chain and that about covers it..... that does not seem to be enough to get me to 300, as you stated earlier about getting a good exhaust, something like BBK longs with an H and strait through mufflers.... which in its self will add another 1k.... man... not going FI is getting expensive.... Torinalth __________________ When you finally shut down the car, just sit back and remember the run.... win or lose, you know it was a surge of adreneline

01-24-2003, 02:19 PM	#5
Ackbar00 Rebel Fleet Commander Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Huber Heights, OH Posts: 1,003	Just reaad my profile __________________ 1993 Mustang GT, PTK w/ T-64 - My Cardomain Webpage 11.25@123.5 on only 8 psi. 10.84@121 on only 1 headgasket "The Truth is, Your the Weak, and I am the Tyranny of Evil Men!"

01-24-2003, 02:53 PM	#6
Dark_5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Staging lane Posts: 4,337	I dont have fancy heads or even an aftermarket cam and I totaly destroy the 4.6's in my 5.0 even the 96-01 cobras. __________________ 92' LX-Big brakes, Lots and lots of suspension, GT40X heads, Ported cobra intake, stock cam, Vortech SC trim. 00' Lightning-Stock 88'CRX-13 second ego killer

01-24-2003, 03:44 PM	#7
Torinalth Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chapel Hill, NC - USA Posts: 188	ackbar - so still looking at heads and intake manifold running me around 1500..... and by bolt ons.... what does that include that including MAF, TB, and full exhaust? that alone would double the cost..... __________________ When you finally shut down the car, just sit back and remember the run.... win or lose, you know it was a surge of adreneline

01-24-2003, 06:35 PM	#8
Simi Stang Guest Posts: n/a	300hp It's going to take more than $2,000 to achieve 300+ horsepower. You could always get the stock heads worked over with bigger valves & some porting. That would save you some $$ and still perform pretty close to out of the box/aftermarket/big valve alum. heads. You could always get a used intake off of e-bay to save even more $$.

01-24-2003, 08:18 PM	#9
bigred90gt 2 Stangs in the Stable Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baytown, TX Posts: 1,209	Nitrous. Caymon __________________ '90 GT Under construction Best E.T. = Fast @ High Speeds - OK So I Lie. So What!!! 04 F-150 STX 4.2L 5 spd Rice Haters Club Member #128

01-24-2003, 10:20 PM	#12
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	Yeah, you can save a bundle buying used parts, and there are thousands of used stang parts out there. Ive sold many myself. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

01-25-2003, 12:47 AM	#13
84LX89GT Mustangs Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 1,938	You want 300 hp on tap, and more with a simple swap.....get a SUPERCHARGER For overall cost in the longrun and convenience of not having to get a bottle, i believe it would be best to get a supercharger. A vortech A trim, or powerdyne are usually advertised at under $2000 for a kit to start with (small HP kits, but will easily get you to 300 hp). Building your engine may be not worth your time because of mileage or other reasons, plus it takes alot more time to build your engine right than it does to put on a supercharger kit. A nitrous kit is the simplest solution and cheapest, but inconvenient because of refills. 300 horsepower is running just a little below the point where you'd have to start upgrading your fuel/ignition/suspension, etc. etc. etc. to deal with the extra power and torque, so that's probably a good number to go with. You may want to invest in subframe connectors and rear control arms to go with this stuff just because it makes driving your car better overall. Good luck, __________________ 2005 Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300-R 1980 Ford Thunderbird - 255 V8 ported heads, 5.0L ported stock headers, O.R. H-pipe and Flowmaster 2-chambers, dual roller timing chain hi-po Mack Truck hood emblem 1985 Mustang GT 5.0L T5, F-303, GT40p, headers, off-road h, flowmasters, MSD stuff, etc. Sold 02/06/04 1989 Mustang GT ET: 13.304@102.29 mph (5-24-03) Sold - 1998 Mustang Cobra coupe, 1/4 mile - street tires: 13.843@103.41 (bone stock)

01-25-2003, 02:39 AM	#14
Mach 1 Registered Member Join Date: May 1999 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,866	Yeah, subframe connectors are a "must have" on any fox body, modified or not. __________________ 2002 GT 1993 GT (SOLD) '93 Mustang GT RHC member #142

01-25-2003, 03:26 PM	#15
Coupe50h Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SanAntonio, Tx Posts: 957	ackbar are those heads 6037's you use? i agree with dark5_0, i never really lose to the 99+ gt's, im still on stock heads, but probaly dont have anywhere near 300. __________________ X-Texas highway patrol ssp 1990 coupe - exploder Gt-40 iron heads, Explorer intake, 19 lber's. E-cam. crane 1.7 rollers. 190fp. 75mm maf. 65mm tb, tubular subframe connectors, mac cai, Asp crank pulley, T-5, king cobra clutch, flowtech 1-5/8 unequals, mac X-pipe Frpp driveshaft, lakewood Lca's. race weight 3,160 12.69 @ 107.35, 1.71 60' 26x8.5 drag's 3.90 gear 13.20 @ 106.91 - 235/60/15 firestones 2.3 60' 3.27 gear

01-26-2003, 04:36 PM	#16
82 GT Import Slayer Join Date: May 1999 Posts: 2,241	A stock '89 allready has 225hp. IMO, a set of heads and exhaust system alone will yield you 300hp. __________________ '82 GT 351W (.060)Comp Cams 274* Extreme Energy cam, ported & polished heads w/ 1.94/1.60 valves 10.3:1 flat top pistons,stealth intake, Mallory dizzy,Holley 750dp carb, BBK shorties,Flowmaster exhaust,C-4 with 3700 stall converter, B&M pro shifter,8.8 rear, 4:10's, subframes, electric fan, powermaster alternator, 4 core radiator.

01-26-2003, 08:55 PM	#17
Torinalth Registered Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Chapel Hill, NC - USA Posts: 188	hmmm.... if i go with a cheap charger I'd like to go with something that is scalable to higher yields with just a pully change, and without having to drop in a new blower.... kinda looking at a Novi2k for 3grand or a procharger for 2.6.... much more gains, but still more than I'd like to spend to get the power i want..... Torinalth __________________ When you finally shut down the car, just sit back and remember the run.... win or lose, you know it was a surge of adreneline

01-26-2003, 09:10 PM	#18
90GT Vert Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Baytown, Texas Posts: 81	i say rebuild the 302 block thats in it. get 9:5:1 hyperutetic (sp?) pistons if your goin to run it on the street, a set of AFR 165's w/ 1.6 roller rockers and some porting/polishing on the heads. a light-weight valve train (titanium everywhere ), a f-303 cam, TFS track heat intake, port and polish the intake too, 65 MM FRPP T/B, Pro-M/Anderson powerpipe package with 76 MM MAF, 24 FRPP injectors, adj. fuel pressure reg., 190lph intake fuel pump, frpp shorties, o/r x-pipe, bassani catback. that should get you in the 300rwhp++ oh yeah 0 deck the block too __________________ 90 Ford Mustang GT Vert AOD Some Mods..... "its ok!"

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