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Dyno proven 450-475 HP. ET Guesses???
My engine builder is setting me up with a package that will make 450-475 HP (at the flywheel) for next season.
He says it makes max hp around 5800-6200rpm's. He also said its dyno proven HP not just a BS package. I dont have all the details but this is most of it just for your information: 306, Stock block, crank/rods. 9:1 Canfeild 2.02 alum. heads Custom made cam Holley System Max Intake 75mm MAF 70mm TB 30lb/hr injectors (might run n20 later) 1 5/8 long tube headers Matching off road h-pipe The list of mods to my car to date are in my signature. I'm planning on getting a Lentech AOD w/ a 3000-3500 stall (not sure yet) And 70/30 and 50/50's. W/ some drag springs If anyone could guess, tell me what it would be before the suspension mods and tell me what it would be after.... Thanks!! ------------------ Joe Zemaitis, Grand Rapids Michigan 1991 Mustang GT. Mods to date: 4.10 rear end, new POSI, aluminum driveshaft, AOD w/ shift kit, 2 1/2 off road h-pipe, 2 1/2 flowmasters and 2 1/2 tail pipes. Electric fan, Removed air pump and egr tube. Hotchkins upper and lower control arms. New energy suspension rear busings. Hoosier Quick Time Pro 27x10.5x15 and bolt on subframes soon to be welded. Everything else is STOCK. Totally stock ENGINE. 14.29@96 with 130k miles. |
Sounds very Nice hope too see ya at Mid Michigan Motorplex I will be there alot I think this year.!!!!
------------------ Engine: Steal Mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, Home ported Lower Intake, No power steering, No A/C Drive Train: 3.55, T-5z, Real power STUFF I Have and will put some time: Mac cold intake, 70MM TB, Valve covers (COOL ONES)255 Fuel pump NOS Dry 75HP, AFR 165 58cc, GT-40 Intake. Next to get: Rocker Arms,Cam,Injectors 24, What might I need???See It at www.computerconquest.com |
***My engine builder is setting me up with a package that will make 450-475 HP (at the flywheel) for next season.
He says it makes max hp around 5800-6200rpm's. He also said its dyno proven HP not just a BS package. I dont have all the details but this is most of it just for your information: 306, Stock block, crank/rods. 9:1 Canfeild 2.02 alum. heads Custom made cam Holley System Max Intake 75mm MAF 70mm TB 30lb/hr injectors (might run n20 later) 1 5/8 long tube headers Matching off road h-pipe There is no way that combo. will make 450-475hp! I would not let this guy build my engine if I were you. That hp that he told you is sooooo far off from the actual hp you'd have, it's kinda scary! Especially with 9:1 CR! OMG, that is A TOTAL BS PACKAGE! You'd have to have a supercharger to even come close to those numbers. Let's compare.....D.S.S.'s PRO BULLET 306 puts out 400hp and 365 ft lbs, and that's one bad a$$ engine, with all the high dollar parts. You've been warned. ***Engine: Steal Mounts Shouldn't that be "steel mounts"? Just trying to help you out a little bit. ------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, 13.4's bone stock. -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383(500+hp on motor), tubbed, trick flow heads, trick flow pistons, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, and so much more! |
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Good luck though ------------------ 88 mustang gt convertible bored to 306 BBk equal length headers, mac cold air fender kit, 3.73 FMS gears, Steeds Tri-ax shifter, Steeda underdrive pullies, Custom off road X-pipe, 2 chamber flow masters, cowl hood, nitto drag radials, ford racing clutch, 160* thermostat 16 degrees of timing electric fan off 94' t-bird jacobs electronics cap and wires. Edelbrock 1 1/2 inch drop springs. (Best E.T. 14.79@93mph @3000ft) |
I agree i just had a 306 built for me and it was dyno at just under 375 hp with a 750 carb on it, it has a cam, ported heads and milled also...10.5/1 compression also have better pistons. these are the stock heads tho, this summer comes the new ones http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
I hope to see you at staton next year also i will be living only a short distance away http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif |
I was not going to say any thing but There is no way That will make 450HP!!!!! Maybe And I mean May be 400HP But think more like 375-390HP
PS Look At the Sig. thx http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif ------------------ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, Home ported Lower Intake, No power steering, No A/C Drive Train: 3.55, T-5z, Real power STUFF I Have and will put some time: Mac cold intake, 70MM TB, Valve covers (COOL ONES)255 Fuel pump NOS Dry 75HP, AFR 165 58cc, GT-40 Intake. Next to get: Rocker Arms,Cam,Injectors 24, What might I need???See It at www.computerconquest.com |
;o) Stangrunner, I wasn't trying to be a di*k, I hope you didn't take it like that. I guess I should've private messaged you, sorry. I'm sure there are words mispelled in my sig., but I would appreciate it, if there was someone pointing them out, so I could fix them.
-1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383, RPM air-gap intake, demon carb., tubbed, trick flow TW heads, trick flow pistons, 6" rod's, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, 4 inch cowl hood, Ford 9", auburn Pro-series Posi, Pro-billet distributor, Sanderson Jet-hot coated headers, Custom radiator, 4:11 gears, etc..etc...custom 3 inch exhaust and I ran out of room. ;o) [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 11-01-2001).] |
Realy thx for telling me Any one that chats with me kown I can spell.
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As for the 450-475hp, no way. Not turning that kind of rpm, and not with that compression ratio.
The Canfields are good, so is the Holley intake, the cam could be great, but 450hp is just not all that reasonable. |
here is a Dyno sheet of a motor with AFR 185's 10:1
RPM Torque H.P. 5000 387 368 5500 398 417 6000 392 448 6500 348 455 650 cfm Speed Demon 84/87 Jets MSD Digital 7, 36° Timing Comp Cams Extreme Energy Hyd Roller 282 Cam, 565/574 232/240 @.050 with 1.6 Rockers, 112 Lobe Sep. and 1 3/4 headers |
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I wouldn't go for that with all motor. you wouldn't be able to use it on the street. You will need to keep your power under 6300 for a street car to be effective. ------------------ Dustin 89 Saleen GT Sport,347, TFS Street Heat Intake(port matched),TFS TW Heads(Stage 2),TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's 516 rwhp 553 rwtq http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pictures/Listing1549-slot1.jpg 12.3@119 street tires OLD MOTOR 11.496@121.08slicks OLD MOTOR |
I said *Especially with 9:1 CR!* Now with higher compression, and fully ported heads, and the right components yeah maybe 450hp. But if you look below, it says 9:1, you see it? Down a little, to the right. Disagree all you want, but look what I wrote first, and look at the parts he listed. It would've been a totally different thing if he said fully ported Canfields, a wicked cam, and 14:1 compression, etc... I mean come on, it doesn't take to long to read what is written.
306, Stock block, crank/rods. 9:1 Canfeild 2.02 alum. heads Custom made cam Holley System Max Intake 75mm MAF 70mm TB 30lb/hr injectors (might run n20 later) 1 5/8 long tube headers Matching off road h-pipe ------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383, RPM air-gap intake, demon carb., tubbed, trick flow TW heads, trick flow pistons, 6" rod's, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, 4 inch cowl hood, Ford 9", auburn Pro-series Posi, Pro-billet distributor, Sanderson Jet-hot coated headers, Custom radiator, |
I'd have to back 1BAD89 on this one. The combo suggested is supposed to produce max power at between 5800-6200rpms with 9:1 compression? You're talking between 375-395RWHP from a N/A 306 with power peaking at 6000rpms.
It took high rpms, high compression, and a wild non-street setup for your friend to pull that off Saleen |
Unit I was kinda foggy on that reply, I know that was part of my point....thanks for clarifying that though, I wasn't sure if everyone understood that. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif
But I also do recall 1BAD saying that it isn't possible, especially with 9:1. I took that saying It isn't possible at all. I just said it was, and I think I also said that he had hi-rpm power and higher comp. 1BAD, before you go shooting off your mouth again like you have been known to do, MAKE SURE THAT YOU REMOVE YOUR FOOT FROM YOUR MOUTH and close any ends that can be elaborated on, like you didn't do. See that right there? A little on the right?? That's it, right there "Granted this wasn't a very streetable car and he had high compression, but he hit 390 at the tires, but at high RPM's." I don't think I see 14:1 there .....I mean COME ON, IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT LONG TO READ! http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif Tell you the truth, I really don't think you know jack about mustangs....all you do is slam them because you have a "Oh no its an SS LS-1, they run 12.90's stock"(more like 13.4's) That is what they call treason in some countries brotha. I think they kill in some too. Quit claiming to be a "mustang guy" and go somewhere where your opinion matters. I am sick of your "know-it-all" attitude and how you slam people when they disagree with you. You aren't God. "It's best to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and relieve all doubt." ------------------ Dustin 89 Saleen GT Sport,347, TFS Street Heat Intake(port matched),TFS TW Heads(Stage 2),TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's 516 rwhp 553 rwtq http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pi...1549-slot1.jpg 12.3@119 street tires OLD MOTOR 11.496@121.08slicks OLD MOTOR [This message has been edited by SaleenGTS (edited 11-02-2001).] [This message has been edited by SaleenGTS (edited 11-02-2001).] |
Yea, unlikely it will make that much with a 306 and that compression, a 347 with 10:1 and fully ported heads matched to intk, and steel crank, (stock rods wouldnt be a good move), then maybe, the combo would definately be a killer setup, and should clean house on the street http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/smile.gif
oh and throw an x-pipe on for more hp. |
***[b]1BAD[\b], before you go shooting off your mouth again like you have been known to do, MAKE SURE THAT YOU CUT OFF ANY ENDS that can be elaborated on, like you didn't do. See that right there? A little on the right?? That's it, right there [b]"Granted this wasn't a very streetable car and he had high compression, but he hit 390 at the tires, but at high RPM's." I don't think I see 14:1 there .....I mean COME ON, IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT LONG TO READ!
Actually I was elaborating on the 9:1 CR, I should've made "ESPECIALLY" in bold huh? It wouldn't make that power with 10:1,or 11:1 either. Yeah you didn't say 14:1, but making the power you were talking about, it had to be pretty close to that. ***But I also do recall 1BAD saying that it isn't possible, especially with 9:1. I took that saying It isn't possible at all. I wasn't saying that you couldn't build a 306 with that much power, you took it the wrong way. I was specifically stating that with that combo, especially it being 9:1 CR it wouldn't make anywhere close to 450-475hp. So how do you plan on getting traction on the street with your beast? I'm having a real hard time getting traction with my 18.5" tires. ;o\ ------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383, RPM air-gap intake, demon carb., tubbed, trick flow TW heads, trick flow pistons, 6" rod's, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, 4 inch cowl hood, Ford 9", auburn Pro-series Posi, Pro-billet distributor, Sanderson Jet-hot coated headers, Custom radiator, [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 11-02-2001).] |
I belive my engine builder... He has done other guys motors and his own, and it runs like crazy! I asked him if I could up the compression or do something else to make sure that it will make the kinda HP/ ET's that I want, and he said "Don't change a thing" He said its a nearly perfect combo that has been tested. I will get the dyno sheets on it tomrrow or monday and all the details and let you guys know... Would you believe it if I had proof? It does sound almost too good to be true, but there are some crazy combo's out there that would supprise ya, dont you agree???
------------------ Joe Zemaitis, Grand Rapids Michigan 1991 Mustang GT. Mods to date: 4.10 rear end, new POSI, aluminum driveshaft, AOD w/ shift kit, 2 1/2 off road h-pipe, 2 1/2 flowmasters and 2 1/2 tail pipes. Electric fan, Removed air pump and egr tube. Hotchkins upper and lower control arms. New energy suspension rear busings. Hoosier Quick Time Pro 27x10.5x15 and bolt on subframes soon to be welded. Everything else is STOCK. Totally stock ENGINE. 14.29@96 with 130k miles. |
jz_mustang50, The combo. you listed is not going to make anywhere near 450-475hp. Sorry. Unless you left off a Vortech etc.., there is just no way.
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***Tell you the truth, I really don't think you know jack about mustangs....all you do is slam them because you have a "Oh no its an SS LS-1, they run 12.90's stock"(more like 13.4's)
That is what they call treason in some countries brotha. I think they kill in some too. Quit claiming to be a "mustang guy" and go somewhere where your opinion matters. I am sick of your "know-it-all" attitude and how you slam people when they disagree with you. You aren't God. "It's best to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and relieve all doubt." How the heck have I been slamming mustangs? You guys are nuts....13.4 is right on the money! And I'm not your brotha, by the way. I have never claimed to be "mustang guy", and I have never claimed I know it all, not even close man...I don't know where you are getting that from. LoL...You Internet studs are hilarious, Talk is cheap, so I'll add to that, how about meeting me somewhere, I don't know half way or something? And seeing how that blower does against my nitrous set-up. ------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383, RPM air-gap intake, demon carb., tubbed, trick flow TW heads, trick flow pistons, 6" rod's, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, 4 inch cowl hood, Ford 9", auburn Pro-series Posi, Pro-billet distributor, Sanderson Jet-hot coated headers, Custom radiator, |
1bad89, i wouldnt say "nowhere near" cuz a balanced and blueprinted 306 similar to d.s.s could be near 400 at the wheels, the bottom end would have to be strengthend with main support, but his custom cam would have to be one awesome cam, i still agree you need more compression for those numbers.
My combo would be: 331, custom grind cam, fully ported afr 185's, matched to a victor efi intk, forged internals, longtubes, all balanced and bluprinted of course, and still would be hard to get 475 outta that combo, but it's not impossible. |
***jz_mustang50, The combo. you listed is not going to make anywhere near 450-475hp. Sorry. Unless you left off a Vortech etc.., there is just no way.
THHHHEEEEE COMBO. HEEEE LISTED ISSSSS NOOOTTT GOOIINNGG TOOO MMAAKKKKEEE ANNYYWWWHHHEEEERRREE NNNEEEAARRR 450-475HP. ***1bad89, i wouldnt say "nowhere near" cuz a balanced and blueprinted 306 similar to d.s.s could be near 400 at the wheels, the bottom end would have to be strengthend with main support, but his custom cam would have to be one awesome cam, i still agree you need more compression for those numbers. I didn't say "nowhere near", I said anywhere near. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/redface.gif) J/P With the parts that he listed....is what I said.........I wasn't saying a 306 that was built to the wall wouldn't pull that hp. This was the parts that he said..... 306, Stock block, crank/rods. 9:1 Canfeild 2.02 alum. heads Custom made cam Holley System Max Intake 75mm MAF 70mm TB 30lb/hr injectors (might run n20 later) 1 5/8 long tube headers Matching off road h-pipe [This message has been edited by 1BAD89 (edited 11-02-2001).] |
Hey everyone.... When i talked to my engine builder about rebuilding my motor I basically said that I wanted to run 11's naturally aspriated... I really wasn't concerned with HP, just ET's... I will be happy with less HP but ET's in the 11's with some suspension improvements....
What do you think? IS THAT POSSIBLE? ------------------ Joe Zemaitis, Grand Rapids Michigan 1991 Mustang GT. Mods to date: 4.10 rear end, new POSI, aluminum driveshaft, AOD w/ shift kit, 2 1/2 off road h-pipe, 2 1/2 flowmasters and 2 1/2 tail pipes. Electric fan, Removed air pump and egr tube. Hotchkins upper and lower control arms. New energy suspension rear busings. Hoosier Quick Time Pro 27x10.5x15 and bolt on subframes soon to be welded. Everything else is STOCK. Totally stock ENGINE. 14.29@96 with 130k miles. |
Internet Studs?? You are brave. I'm not too far from you, and can very much back up my talk. I would love to see how your Nitrous does against my blower. TV is right down the street from me. King of the Valley is next weekend. $100 to compete. Come on down. BTW, why don't we try a motor/motor race too. No NOS, and no blower. That would be a nice match up.
Yes, you come across thinking you know everything. All you have to do is be respectful and quit replying like "No way" and stuff like that. Just be cool to people and we won't have crap like this. ------------------ Dustin 89 Saleen GT Sport,347, TFS Street Heat Intake(port matched),TFS TW Heads(Stage 2),TFS #2 cam,BD-11A 9 psi,Crane 1.6 rr's,BBK 70mm TB,Pro-M 80mm MAF,MSD 6BTM, FMS 9mm wires,BBK longtubes,BBK Short H-pipe,American Thunder cat back,3.55's 516 rwhp 553 rwtq http://www.mustangworks.com/rides/pictures/Listing1549-slot1.jpg 12.3@119 street tires OLD MOTOR 11.496@121.08slicks OLD MOTOR |
*****BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION*****
What would your ET guess be on this engine combo!? :-) Tell me what you think it would really do, 475 horse or not (whatever you think it will make)... My car weights close to stock and has frame ties and new rear control arms w/ new bushings ofcource. Any guesss?? ------------------ Joe Zemaitis, Grand Rapids Michigan 1991 Mustang GT. Mods to date: 4.10 rear end, new POSI, aluminum driveshaft, AOD w/ shift kit, 2 1/2 off road h-pipe, 2 1/2 flowmasters and 2 1/2 tail pipes. Electric fan, Removed air pump and egr tube. Hotchkins upper and lower control arms. New energy suspension rear busings. Hoosier Quick Time Pro 27x10.5x15 and bolt on subframes soon to be welded. Everything else is STOCK. Totally stock ENGINE. 14.29@96 with 130k miles. |
I'd have to say that that set up would probably runner a little closer to 400 hp - which isn't anything to sneeze at http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif. I suggested that 1bad and Dustin meet 1/2 way about 1-2 months ago. Now, let's get it on boyz http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif...... think it's a great idea. And, take some video and post it all up.
------------------ '90 5.0 LX - heads, intake, cam, fuel delivery, gears, full exhaust, pulleys, ignition, drag springs, front brake upgrade, a/c delete, K&N cone filter charger.......and much more! 1/4 mile: 12.29 @115 60': 1.78 my Stang |
Jz, to answer your question. "I think" you could run 11's with that set-up+all your parts you already have installed+ a little weight reduction, and the Lentech tranny and a 3500 stall, and some slicks.
***Internet Studs?? You are brave. I'm not too far from you, and can very much back up my talk. I would love to see how your Nitrous does against my blower. TV is right down the street from me. King of the Valley is next weekend. $100 to compete. Come on down. BTW, why don't we try a motor/motor race too. No NOS, and no blower. That would be a nice match up. I think it'd be a pretty good race, either way. I need to find some used rims and slicks, but it's kinda hard since they are 15x14 rims and 17-18 inch slicks. TV=Thunder Valley? Is that a pretty killer track? I will probaly get my truck dyno'd fairly soon, so we'll see how the #'s compare. All I was saying was there was no way the parts he listed would make 450-475hp. I wasn't trying to be rude. ------------------ -1989 GT, not stock. -2000 Camaro SS-A4, -1989 Chevy S-10, EX. Cab-383, RPM air-gap intake, demon carb., tubbed, trick flow TW heads, trick flow pistons, 6" rod's, etc... autometer phantom gauges, "built" 700R4, roll cage, lexan back window, corbeau seats, R.H.S. 5 harnesses, Fuel cell, convo pro wheels, 15x14's with 29x18.5 M/T'S on back, 15x4's on front, nitrous, 4 inch cowl hood, Ford 9", auburn Pro-series Posi, Pro-billet distributor, Sanderson Jet-hot coated headers, Custom radiator, |
With the mods you listed, none having port work performed to them, I think you'll be looking at power in the 375hp area. Give or take based on that camshaft. If the cam is very well matched to the combo, you can pick up quite a bit when it's finally tuned and properly set up. If you were turning 7000rpms, or you had 11:1 CR you could close in on that 450.
That's just my opinion from lots of similar combos on this board. |
You will definatly be in the 11s. I have afr165s, 90,000mile SB, box-stock cobra intake, 24#ers and go 12.20s.
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