Off to the dyno...

exgmguy · 07-29-2002, 09:12 PM

I will be dyno/chip tuning my car tomorrow on a Mustang Dyno. Anyone car to play the guessing game?

Still a 302,
mild TFS heads
E-303/1.72's
Systemax II
70 mm t.b.
36 lb injectors/Pro-M 75
Equal shorties
H-pipe/cat-back
Novi 1000 showing 8 psi.

I put on a new blower belt tonight, and hopefully I can get it stretched out by tomorrow so it does not give me too much slippage.

The car made 309/310 on motor on a Dynojet, and around 280 on the Mustang dyno. I am guessing around 400 at the rollers.

FYI, the track weight of the car is around 3000 lbs in it's current configuration, and trapped 123 mph last time out.

88workcar · 07-29-2002, 09:16 PM

413 rwhp Good luck tomorrow

Skyman · 07-29-2002, 10:16 PM

Mustang dyno... hmm... 429rwhp after tuneing.

Skyler

302 LX Eric · 07-30-2002, 08:33 AM

exgmguy - Where are getting the custom tune & chip from? I'm curious as I'm looking to get my 331 dialed in and having my JMS (autologic) chip properly tuned.

As far as the Mustang Dyno goes, can't they adjust all sorts of things like roller resistance? If this is right dyno I'm thinking of, I guess it depends on how their dyno is setup when you strap your car on. Anywho, I'll guess 405 RWHP.

Good luck!
E

bigred90gt · 07-30-2002, 09:07 AM

I'm going to have to say 433rwhp. Best of luck to ya.

89 Cobra LX · 07-30-2002, 11:00 AM

Mustang Dyno.... 360-370 rwhp.

Remember, these typically read 10-15% lower than a Dynojet.

jason 95gts · 07-30-2002, 11:11 AM

I posted the number on procharger post but I'll put it here for you incase you don't look there, I purchased the complete pulley package fro MIKES MUSTANGS don't have address but here's the phone number (360) 653-4786. I think your dyno pull should be around 390-400 horses.

mysweetlx · 07-30-2002, 01:03 PM

400-405 is my guess. Keep us posted.

chris91LX · 07-30-2002, 04:33 PM

Warren, Michigan, huh? I bet your going to Lidio. We've had a few guys go out there to MI from the Chicago area because that guy knows his poop. I'll guess 430 at the rear wheels

Stang Runner · 07-30-2002, 05:55 PM

Well I hope you have a good day and get lots of power from the new chip. I will guess 395Hp tp the wheels here.

lx mike · 07-30-2002, 08:03 PM

I'll guess 400-410 rwhp. I take a x-large t-shirt if i win!

exgmguy · 07-30-2002, 10:58 PM

I'm back.

I have made no changes to my car since the last track outing where I ran mid 11's @ 123.xx mph. I made a baseline pull and about crapped when I saw 350.9 rwhp @ 5500 rpm and 341.5 ft-lbs @ 5250.
The car was very lean, and had inaudible detonation. This was with 93 octane gas. We richened it up, and ended up getting 365 rwhp. I then tried a pull without my homemade 3" pvc cold air inlet that grabbed air from the foglight hole, and put the meter and filter where Paxton intended.

Next pull, 393 rwhp @ 6000 rpm, and 365 ft lbs! It not only made more peak hp, but under the curve was up through the whole run. I could not believe I picked up almost 30 rwhp by tossing my "good idea".

I made 8 psi consistently, with no belt slippage. Now the car is chip tuned, and feels night and day on the street. It actually feels wicked fast.

I had the tuning done at Detroit Speedworks, in Warren, Mi. www.detroitspeedworks.com. The owner Greg is a member of this site. (Turbolx)
For kicks i'll probably make a Dynojet pull when the weather cools off. 90 degrees and humid is not good air for a blower car. I am not sure what it will do, but on motor I dynoed 270 rwhp on the Mustang Dyno, while netting 309 rwhp on a Dynojet. About a 40 hp difference.

Now to put the bottle back in...

Skyman · 07-30-2002, 11:07 PM

350rwhp and 124mph traps ! Thats killer. **** picking up all that power, I would expect to see near 130mph trap speeds this next time out and definatly some 10's.

Skyler

exgmguy · 07-31-2002, 05:34 AM

That says something about dynos. They are best used as a tuning tool. The real test is the track. What is weird , is that there are LS1's that make 300 rwhp on his dyno, and trap 110-111, while I made only 50 more rwhp initially, and went 123.

That would be kinda sleeper though. "yeah, i'll run ya, but I only made 350 to the wheels..." Kinda like my "12SECGT" plate.

302 LX Eric · 07-31-2002, 07:58 AM

393 - well at least I was close (405).

The dyno is a great tuning tool, but just as you said, the track is where it's at. Trapping 123 is impressive in my book.

Quick questions for you, exgm - did you have an Autologic chip that was tuned? And did Turbolx use a wide-band 02 as well?

Thanks,
E

89 Cobra LX · 07-31-2002, 08:29 AM

Was the only change in your set-up the Paxton Novi-1000?

I'm very impressed if you picked up 120 hp from just a small blower.

Congrats! Now you need to get some new time slips!

86GT · 07-31-2002, 01:01 PM

Congrats! Those are killer numbers!!!

I wish I could get across the border sometime and get them to dyno my setup and burn a chip for it too. If you don't mind my asking, how much is it? Livernois quoted me at $450 I think, dyno time for an hour plus the chip itself.

exgmguy · 07-31-2002, 01:45 PM

The chip is an Autologic, and it was tuned with a wideband. The air/fuel was set to run on premium pump gas. After being tuned it was in the high 11's (A/F) At the track I always have the option of using race gas, and then adding a little timing and taking out some fuel.
He charged me 450.00 for the chip and the tune.

mysweetlx · 07-31-2002, 06:27 PM

That's awesome. So much for good ideas!

That's some power loss though from just removing the homemade contraption. I can't believe it was robbing that much hp. Can't wait to see your #'s when you get back to the track.

07-29-2002, 09:12 PM	#1
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	Off to the dyno... I will be dyno/chip tuning my car tomorrow on a Mustang Dyno. Anyone car to play the guessing game? Still a 302, mild TFS heads E-303/1.72's Systemax II 70 mm t.b. 36 lb injectors/Pro-M 75 Equal shorties H-pipe/cat-back Novi 1000 showing 8 psi. I put on a new blower belt tonight, and hopefully I can get it stretched out by tomorrow so it does not give me too much slippage. The car made 309/310 on motor on a Dynojet, and around 280 on the Mustang dyno. I am guessing around 400 at the rollers. FYI, the track weight of the car is around 3000 lbs in it's current configuration, and trapped 123 mph last time out. __________________ 1988 Mustang GT stock bottom 302, C4 10.9 @ 128 with 8 psi of Novi 1000 boost!----STOLEN 1989 Mustang notchback Warmed up 306 with a Procharger.

07-29-2002, 09:16 PM	#2
88workcar Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Pierre Part, La. U.S.A. Posts: 1,850	413 rwhp Good luck tomorrow __________________ 88workcar 1988 Mustang LX 342. 417rwhp @ 6800. 28 X 10 ET Drag, 4.30s, 10.69 @ 126.43 1.42 60ft. 11.13 @ 127.7 on BFGs 1.72 60ft Rice Hater # 42 To be old and wise, You must first be young and stupid I'm somewhere in tthe middle.

07-29-2002, 10:16 PM	#3
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	Mustang dyno... hmm... 429rwhp after tuneing. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe- JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

07-30-2002, 08:33 AM	#4
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	exgmguy - Where are getting the custom tune & chip from? I'm curious as I'm looking to get my 331 dialed in and having my JMS (autologic) chip properly tuned. As far as the Mustang Dyno goes, can't they adjust all sorts of things like roller resistance? If this is right dyno I'm thinking of, I guess it depends on how their dyno is setup when you strap your car on. Anywho, I'll guess 405 RWHP. Good luck! E __________________ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 40,750 miles 331 cu. in. / Tremec 3550 / BFG Drag Radials 12.22 @ 114.31 mph - w/1.89 60'

07-30-2002, 09:07 AM	#5
bigred90gt 2 Stangs in the Stable Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Baytown, TX Posts: 1,209	I'm going to have to say 433rwhp. Best of luck to ya. __________________ '90 GT Under construction Best E.T. = Fast @ High Speeds - OK So I Lie. So What!!! 04 F-150 STX 4.2L 5 spd Rice Haters Club Member #128

07-30-2002, 11:00 AM	#6
89 Cobra LX Don Corlione Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha NE USA Posts: 491	Mustang Dyno.... 360-370 rwhp. Remember, these typically read 10-15% lower than a Dynojet. __________________ Eric - 89 Mustang LX coupe 5 speed 302-Cobra Intake-GT40p heads-TFS stage 1 cam-FRPP 1.6 roller rockers-3:73 gears-KYB shocks and struts-Eibach Pro-kit-HPM Mega-bite upper and lower control arms-FRPP aluminum driveshaft-16x8 Chrome Cobra Rs R.H.C. #14

07-30-2002, 11:11 AM	#7
jason 95gts Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: belle chasse La. Posts: 47	8-rib pulleys I posted the number on procharger post but I'll put it here for you incase you don't look there, I purchased the complete pulley package fro MIKES MUSTANGS don't have address but here's the phone number (360) 653-4786. I think your dyno pull should be around 390-400 horses.

07-30-2002, 01:03 PM	#8
mysweetlx Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 248	400-405 is my guess. Keep us posted. __________________ Damn this thing's fast!

07-30-2002, 04:33 PM	#9
chris91LX Registered Member Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Suburban Chicago, Hanover Park Posts: 695	Warren, Michigan, huh? I bet your going to Lidio. We've had a few guys go out there to MI from the Chicago area because that guy knows his poop. I'll guess 430 at the rear wheels __________________ My Ford Club http://www.midwestfords.org/ Best time N/A 12.9 @ 107 1.711 60' 125 shot - 12.04 @ 113 1.59 60'

07-30-2002, 05:55 PM	#10
Stang Runner Registered Member Join Date: Jun 1999 Location: Walker, MI, USA Posts: 1,202	Well I hope you have a good day and get lots of power from the new chip. I will guess 395Hp tp the wheels here. __________________ Engine: steel mounts, Under drive pulleys, K&N, GT-40 Intake ported Lower, No power steering, No A/C, Mac cold intake, 65MM TB, 255 Fuel pump, 24's, AFR 165 58cc, Rocker Arms 1.7with the stock Cam, 1 5/8 short headers, offRoad X-pipe Drive Train: 3.55, T-5 with a Pro 5.0 shifter 12.656@107.71MPH See It at www.T-racing.com/mustang.htm

07-30-2002, 08:03 PM	#11
lx mike Undescribable Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Ft Myers Fla Posts: 1,539	I'll guess 400-410 rwhp. I take a x-large t-shirt if i win! __________________ Rice Haters Club Member #101

07-30-2002, 10:58 PM	#12
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	I'm back. I have made no changes to my car since the last track outing where I ran mid 11's @ 123.xx mph. I made a baseline pull and about crapped when I saw 350.9 rwhp @ 5500 rpm and 341.5 ft-lbs @ 5250. The car was very lean, and had inaudible detonation. This was with 93 octane gas. We richened it up, and ended up getting 365 rwhp. I then tried a pull without my homemade 3" pvc cold air inlet that grabbed air from the foglight hole, and put the meter and filter where Paxton intended. Next pull, 393 rwhp @ 6000 rpm, and 365 ft lbs! It not only made more peak hp, but under the curve was up through the whole run. I could not believe I picked up almost 30 rwhp by tossing my "good idea". I made 8 psi consistently, with no belt slippage. Now the car is chip tuned, and feels night and day on the street. It actually feels wicked fast. I had the tuning done at Detroit Speedworks, in Warren, Mi. www.detroitspeedworks.com. The owner Greg is a member of this site. (Turbolx) For kicks i'll probably make a Dynojet pull when the weather cools off. 90 degrees and humid is not good air for a blower car. I am not sure what it will do, but on motor I dynoed 270 rwhp on the Mustang Dyno, while netting 309 rwhp on a Dynojet. About a 40 hp difference. Now to put the bottle back in...

07-30-2002, 11:07 PM	#13
Skyman I need 110mph Trap Speed! Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: So, CA Posts: 4,315	350rwhp and 124mph traps ! Thats killer. ** picking up all that power, I would expect to see near 130mph trap speeds this next time out and definatly some 10's. Skyler __________________ 2001 BMW M3 6spd 12.79@108 RIP ---- 1993 Notch w/ 98 4V 4.6 Fasttt... -1989 Saleen Mustang #406- 12.32@109 -1999 Black Cobra Coupe-** JBA Shorties, Bassani Cat-X, Magnaflow 3", Pulleys, 85mm Pro-M, Ported Intake, Soild Rear w/ 4.30s, Tubular Front End, X2C arms, 13lb batt, few others.

07-31-2002, 05:34 AM	#14
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	That says something about dynos. They are best used as a tuning tool. The real test is the track. What is weird , is that there are LS1's that make 300 rwhp on his dyno, and trap 110-111, while I made only 50 more rwhp initially, and went 123. That would be kinda sleeper though. "yeah, i'll run ya, but I only made 350 to the wheels..." Kinda like my "12SECGT" plate.

07-31-2002, 07:58 AM	#15
302 LX Eric or '331 LX Eric' Join Date: Jan 1999 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 2,142	393 - well at least I was close (405). The dyno is a great tuning tool, but just as you said, the track is where it's at. Trapping 123 is impressive in my book. Quick questions for you, exgm - did you have an Autologic chip that was tuned? And did Turbolx use a wide-band 02 as well? Thanks, E __________________ 1991 5.0 LX Coupe - 40,750 miles 331 cu. in. / Tremec 3550 / BFG Drag Radials 12.22 @ 114.31 mph - w/1.89 60'

07-31-2002, 08:29 AM	#16
89 Cobra LX Don Corlione Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Omaha NE USA Posts: 491	Was the only change in your set-up the Paxton Novi-1000? I'm very impressed if you picked up 120 hp from just a small blower. Congrats! Now you need to get some new time slips! __________________ Eric - 89 Mustang LX coupe 5 speed 302-Cobra Intake-GT40p heads-TFS stage 1 cam-FRPP 1.6 roller rockers-3:73 gears-KYB shocks and struts-Eibach Pro-kit-HPM Mega-bite upper and lower control arms-FRPP aluminum driveshaft-16x8 Chrome Cobra Rs R.H.C. #14

07-31-2002, 01:01 PM	#17
86GT Sniffed too much n20 Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Ont, Canada Posts: 1,018	Congrats! Those are killer numbers!!! I wish I could get across the border sometime and get them to dyno my setup and burn a chip for it too. If you don't mind my asking, how much is it? Livernois quoted me at $450 I think, dyno time for an hour plus the chip itself.

07-31-2002, 01:45 PM	#18
exgmguy Registered Member Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Utica, Michigan Posts: 2,631	The chip is an Autologic, and it was tuned with a wideband. The air/fuel was set to run on premium pump gas. After being tuned it was in the high 11's (A/F) At the track I always have the option of using race gas, and then adding a little timing and taking out some fuel. He charged me 450.00 for the chip and the tune.

07-31-2002, 06:27 PM	#19
mysweetlx Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 248	That's awesome. So much for good ideas! That's some power loss though from just removing the homemade contraption. I can't believe it was robbing that much hp. Can't wait to see your #'s when you get back to the track. __________________ Damn this thing's fast!

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