help with headers!

project 5.0 · 03-24-2002, 06:21 PM

hey i need help on deciding what type header to get for my stock 94 gt, already have flows on the back , i need a good set of headers to help out my sound,

later, mitchell

ultraflo · 03-24-2002, 08:01 PM

I would recommend a set of equal-length ceramic coated shortys. Heddman makes a nice set called torque steps, maybe you've seen them in the magazines. Otherwise, Bassani makes a nice set as well as Dynomax (which is what I ran before the long tubes I have now from Bassani).

Whatever you may end up choosing, I can't stress enough that the HPC or ceramic coating (inside and out) is the way to go for durability and heat dissipation (they cool down quickly for changing plugs, etc.)

You'll pay more initially, but if you plan on keeping the car ceramic coating is the only way to go...

Hope I was SOME help...

drudis · 03-24-2002, 09:06 PM

For a stock (or near stock) application, I would get 1-1/2" (yeah, one-HALF inch) equal length shorties. Easy to install, and really help with the low end torque.
The 1-5/8 are too big for a stock motor IMOHO, and you wont be making enough power top end to offset what you lost donw low.

I had the 1-1/2's on mine for a while, and even ran with them on my S-trim... Go small!

Coupe5oh · 03-24-2002, 09:13 PM

Who makes 1-1/2 eql length's?

1BAD89 · 03-24-2002, 09:54 PM

If you ever plan on doing any other mod's in the future I wouldn't get the small diameter headers. If all you want is sound, headers aren't going to make too much difference with a stock h-pipe. I'd suggest gettting an offroad H-pipe or X-pipe. That'll give you, your most sound increase and it'll sound like a beast. But if your set on getting some headers for sound and the best performance potential possible, get some Longtubes. They will offer substantial hp/tq increases over shorty headers, if you ever decide to get some heads.

Coupe5oh · 03-24-2002, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by 1BAD89
If you ever plan on doing any other mod's in the future I wouldn't get the small diameter headers. If all you want is sound, headers aren't going to make too much difference with a stock h-pipe. I'd suggest gettting an offroad H-pipe or X-pipe. That'll give you, your most sound increase and it'll sound like a beast. But if your set on getting some headers for sound and the best performance potential possible, get some Longtubes. They will offer substantial hp/tq increases over shorty headers, if you ever decide to get some heads.

Yes, heads, or a shot of nos, a 5.0 really comes alive with say a 100 shot and a set of longtubes, no heads needed to destroy the competition.
Im just going longtubes myself because i plan on some n20, but ceramic coated shorties like mentioned above really are nice, and can improve performance, but most of us all know not to go too big on a stock motor.

ultraflo · 03-24-2002, 10:53 PM

The Heddman shorty step-tubes are 1 1/2"- 1 5/8". Probably my choice for a street car. I now have Bassani long tubes stepped with a 1 5/8"- 1 3/4" configuration. Relating to the issue of torque (too big or too small of tube diameter affects this), I previously had the bigger 1 3/4"- 1 7/8" Bassanis. My old headers(which I still have and will take $300 for if anyone is interested) were just plain too big for my current combo, i.e. no torque under 3000 rpm on the street sucks...

To bring my rambling to a close, I believe in staying with a smaller tube diameter to keep torque up, which is critical on a street driven car. Factor in a 100 shot and I still feel the same. Spray a 150 shot or more, or crank out some serious RPMs on top of that and the bigger tubes are necessary. Look at my dyno reading in the users ride section for a good example...

It basically comes down to the old saying, "different strokes for different folks." I'm no genius, that's for sure!

Rebel79 · 03-25-2002, 01:58 AM

Well if you are installing the headers yourself, I would not recommend equal lengths. What ever you do, don't buy BBK.

stanger8172 · 03-25-2002, 02:22 AM

Anyone else need to go to church the next day after installing BBK equal lengths?

Yeah, the headers won't really help it sound nasty unless they are long tubes. Good headers will also help scavenge exhaust gases which will make more power. I'd go with the 1 1/2" diameter if you aren't going to hop up the motor much more.

1BAD89 · 03-25-2002, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Well if you are installing the headers yourself, I would not recommend equal lengths. What ever you do, don't buy BBK.

WTF, BBK equal length shorties are a breeze to install. I don't know why everyone bitches about installing them, they are really easy, and I don't think they a bit harder to install than unequal lengths. BBK is real high quality stuff, I don't know why you would knock them, unless you can't put headers on, because they are too hard to install? I've had ALOT of BBK parts, and I'm not sticking up for them because I have the parts, because I don't I sold my mustang. BBK headers are one of the HIGHEST quality headers I've ever seen, 3/8 one piece flange, 14 gauge tubing, and their ceramic coating is top notch. And no I don't work for BBK!

project 5.0 · 03-25-2002, 04:29 PM

thanks for all the replys and help, i think i will go with the 1 5/8 equal shorties, just gotta decide on a brand now , heh

Green9550 · 03-25-2002, 07:11 PM

Make sure whatever headers you get that they have a one piece flange and have ceramic coating. I have heard different stories with BBK, but I think if I were to get new headers I would get their long tubes ceramic coated. If I were you I would also look into an H or X pipe to install too. It is much easier when you are doing it all at once. You will also love the sound. Hope this helps.

-Billy

project 5.0 · 03-25-2002, 07:35 PM

yeh i am gonna go with the mac prochamber h-pipe, so i can install them both together..

03-24-2002, 06:21 PM	#1
project 5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 10	help with headers! hey i need help on deciding what type header to get for my stock 94 gt, already have flows on the back , i need a good set of headers to help out my sound, later, mitchell

03-24-2002, 08:01 PM	#2
ultraflo NX dealer-man Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Peoria, Illinois Posts: 977	I would recommend a set of equal-length ceramic coated shortys. Heddman makes a nice set called torque steps, maybe you've seen them in the magazines. Otherwise, Bassani makes a nice set as well as Dynomax (which is what I ran before the long tubes I have now from Bassani). Whatever you may end up choosing, I can't stress enough that the HPC or ceramic coating (inside and out) is the way to go for durability and heat dissipation (they cool down quickly for changing plugs, etc.) You'll pay more initially, but if you plan on keeping the car ceramic coating is the only way to go... Hope I was SOME help... __________________ RLS Racing! 93 LX 9.20 @ 147mph 03 Mach 1 12.39 @ 116mph

03-24-2002, 09:06 PM	#3
drudis Moderator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Livonia, MI, USA Posts: 1,194	For a stock (or near stock) application, I would get 1-1/2" (yeah, one-HALF inch) equal length shorties. Easy to install, and really help with the low end torque. The 1-5/8 are too big for a stock motor IMOHO, and you wont be making enough power top end to offset what you lost donw low. I had the 1-1/2's on mine for a while, and even ran with them on my S-trim... Go small! __________________ Darius Rudis, Moderator Corner Carvers Delight 1989 Mustang LX - Open Track Car http://www.dariusrudis.com Last edited by drudis; 03-25-2002 at 08:17 AM..

03-24-2002, 09:13 PM	#4
Coupe5oh Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SanAntonio, Tx Posts: 734	Who makes 1-1/2 eql length's? __________________ Police package 5spd 90 Lx, Stock original motor, 3.27grs, BM fan, fms 10.5 clutch, D&D quadrant, and adjuster, ADS chip, 180 stat, mac cai, mac h-pipe, mac subframe connectors, ASP crank pulley, ripper shifter, 26x10.5 M/T sport pros welds. 246 hp according to analyzer Race weight: 3,120 E.t-13.57 with 26x10.50's e.t. streets. 1.88 60' mph- 99.92 mph

03-24-2002, 10:53 PM	#7
ultraflo NX dealer-man Join Date: Sep 1998 Location: Peoria, Illinois Posts: 977	The Heddman shorty step-tubes are 1 1/2"- 1 5/8". Probably my choice for a street car. I now have Bassani long tubes stepped with a 1 5/8"- 1 3/4" configuration. Relating to the issue of torque (too big or too small of tube diameter affects this), I previously had the bigger 1 3/4"- 1 7/8" Bassanis. My old headers(which I still have and will take $300 for if anyone is interested) were just plain too big for my current combo, i.e. no torque under 3000 rpm on the street sucks... To bring my rambling to a close, I believe in staying with a smaller tube diameter to keep torque up, which is critical on a street driven car. Factor in a 100 shot and I still feel the same. Spray a 150 shot or more, or crank out some serious RPMs on top of that and the bigger tubes are necessary. Look at my dyno reading in the users ride section for a good example... It basically comes down to the old saying, "different strokes for different folks." I'm no genius, that's for sure! __________________ RLS Racing! 93 LX 9.20 @ 147mph 03 Mach 1 12.39 @ 116mph

03-24-2002, 09:54 PM	#5
1BAD89 Tubbed and Juiced Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,861	If you ever plan on doing any other mod's in the future I wouldn't get the small diameter headers. If all you want is sound, headers aren't going to make too much difference with a stock h-pipe. I'd suggest gettting an offroad H-pipe or X-pipe. That'll give you, your most sound increase and it'll sound like a beast. But if your set on getting some headers for sound and the best performance potential possible, get some Longtubes. They will offer substantial hp/tq increases over shorty headers, if you ever decide to get some heads.

03-25-2002, 01:58 AM	#8
Rebel79 News Editor Join Date: Apr 1999 Location: Concord, CA Posts: 2,101	Well if you are installing the headers yourself, I would not recommend equal lengths. What ever you do, don't buy BBK. __________________ Scott Halihan, News Editor The MustangWorks Magazine 1994 Supercharged Mustang Cobra Rebel Racing. Home of Bay Area Mustangs

03-25-2002, 02:22 AM	#9
stanger8172 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Milwaukee,Wisconsin Posts: 380	Anyone else need to go to church the next day after installing BBK equal lengths? Yeah, the headers won't really help it sound nasty unless they are long tubes. Good headers will also help scavenge exhaust gases which will make more power. I'd go with the 1 1/2" diameter if you aren't going to hop up the motor much more. __________________ '91 LX convertible , T-5, Centerforce Dual Friction, MSD Blaster Coil, FR 9MM wires, 13* timing, 1.6rr, ported/polished/milled stock heads, 1.94/1.60 stainless valves, March Performance Pulleys, K&N panel, 1"spacer, BBK shorties, 2 1/2" off road H, Summit 2 1/2" catback

03-25-2002, 04:29 PM	#11
project 5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 10	hey thanks for all the replys and help, i think i will go with the 1 5/8 equal shorties, just gotta decide on a brand now , heh

03-25-2002, 07:11 PM	#12
Green9550 Resident Redneck Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cecil County, MD Posts: 165	Make sure whatever headers you get that they have a one piece flange and have ceramic coating. I have heard different stories with BBK, but I think if I were to get new headers I would get their long tubes ceramic coated. If I were you I would also look into an H or X pipe to install too. It is much easier when you are doing it all at once. You will also love the sound. Hope this helps. -Billy __________________ 95' GT: 306, XL Ross Pistons, Ultra Lite H-beam Rods, Forged Scat Crank, 28oz Romac, 28oz JW flexplate, FTI ported RPM II intake, FTI ported AFR 165's, FTI custom cam, 75mm BBK Throttle body, 80mm Pro-M, 4800 PI stall, PA Super Comp AODE, Strange 33 spline race axles, Strange ultra lite spool, Motive lite 4.30's, Strange rear race brakes, Mega bite seniors, double adjustable uppers w/spherical bushings, Racecraft anti-roll bar, LPW rear end girdle, Metco d/s loop, A9L conversion, AFM PMS

03-25-2002, 07:35 PM	#13
project 5.0 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 10	yeh i am gonna go with the mac prochamber h-pipe, so i can install them both together.. __________________ 94 mustang gt :_3:73's , flowmasters w/no cats, 2"lowering springs,bbk fenderwell cai, bbk pullies_:

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