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Home Made supercharger?????
WARNING: really stupid question ahead.
i figure something good must have come out of a stupid question at one time so here goes... you've got your K&N's and what not to allow more/faster air into your intake right?? ive been kicking around the idea of having air fed right into the duct via something like an air compressor. have an inline valve so you can control how much air is put into the engine. now, im not talking wide open full bore industrial air compressor action here, but just something small with a little bit of air flow...... your opinions??? (ready aim FIRE!!!) http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/frown.gif ------------------ AIM= OneQuickStang |
I once came up with the crazy idea of attaching a leaf-blower to my 87 boneville to see if I would get the supercharger effect. I was never really bored enough to try it though.
Scott ------------------ 1992 GT 5.0L Convertible BBK Shorties, Flowmasters, Super Chip, Mass Air, Under Drive Pullies, Hurst Shifter, Duck Tape AIM: SmokeyDP |
So you are goin to mount a Big @ss air compressor in your car?? that will only add bout 400lbs..good idea..
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ok.....i'll just quote myself from above...
"now, im not talking wide open full bore industrial air compressor action here, but just something small with a little bit of air flow....." ------------------ AIM= OneQuickStang |
Sorry, i misread. I thought it said that you were goin to run a wide open full bore industrial air compressor. How would u run this thing?? If you could get it to blow enough in you will have to compensate with fuel.
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I admire your thinking but by the time you actually figure out how to mount and operate such a device you could have bought a supercharger.
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I think the biggest problem would be getting the boost relative to the RPM. Turbo's and SC's give boost that is relative to the RPM. not much boost at idle and alot at WOT. you'd have to think of some way to govern the air to make sure you don't get too much or the parts will start flying!!!!
------------------ 1988 mustang GT (AOD)(speed density) full exhaust, underdrives, K&N 3:55's BEST ET: 14.05 99.56 |
well as far as relative to the rpms and whatnot i figure if you have a proportioning valve and you dont go to nuts you'll be ok.... same as with compensating for fuel, i thought about that and said, well, im not gonna be running 11 pounds of boost. i dunno, just an idea that needs a "little" tweeking lol.
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How about strapping in one of those Howling Monkeys to the intake???? They only weigh about 30 lbs and they have tremendous lung capacity. LOL
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where can i find one of these howling monkeys. i cant seem to find one in summit or jegs.........is it something thats custom made???? http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/tongue.gif
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An air compressor could not put out near enough volume of air to make a difference in HP.
Nitrous would do the job much better. ------------------ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible |
I think I have an idea of how you could get the necessary volume of air, although you would need an intercooler.
Strap a ricer to your inlet hose. It'd be hot air, but that's what the intercooler is for. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/biggrin.gif ------------------ 351W 89 Mustang GT Convertible |
Good one Jimberg - I like you're thinking.......but I still think the Howling Monkey's the way to go!
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Ya, an air compressor wouldn't even touch the volume of air that the car needs. I think the onlything thats feasable as a hommade air comp is a leaf blower, and then you still have to problem of making it relative to rpm. If anyone is going to the dyyno at some point, take a leafblower and try this out!
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oh well, like i said......just a thought. lol
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You'll have to get those Howler Monkies past customs, that'll definately be a chore!
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Here ya go how about a hair dryer.
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hey about the leaf blower thing my friend had a picture of a mustang with a red leaf blower straped on were the stock intake hose feeds in to the finder well. it looked so clean that i did not know it was a leaf blower at first, but i dont know if it really worked.
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Ok I have not personaly seen it but the rumor is that this guy that runs at the local track built his own centrifugal turbo he has a miata and runs a 13.58 @98mph. At least 10 people swear up and down they have seen it. http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/cool.gif
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First problem: air compressors will not live much past 700 - 1000 rpm, they are just not built for it.
Second problem:I dont think a leaf blower will produce enough psi. They may move a lot of air but you need pressure and volume. ------------------ B.R. L.X. 5.0 coupe Cruise control,power mirrors,...and Thats it! |
check out www.electricsupercharger.com
it seems kinda like an overglorified leaf blower to me. and it only makes 5-15 xtra horse power ------------------ 4 cyl converted to 302 comp cams cam, ported GT 40 heads, Edelbrock intake, holley carb Turbo coupe rear with 373's 4 inch cowl hood finally done after what seemed like forever!!!!! |
The biggest drawback to the howling monkeys is that they're louder than the whine from a Vortech, you'll hear them a couple of blocks away http://www.mustangworks.com/msgboard/wink.gif Seriously though, a supercharger moves one helluvalotta air and even a leaf blower would blow air slower than an engine could suck it... Back to the drawing board...
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I think that a leaf blower would be fine, they move a lot of air.
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Hook up a hose from your A/C to the intake. Well, actually running the A/C might slow your ET. LOL
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That web page with the electric blower is funny. This is really acting as a "ram air" effect. A supercharger or turbo actually is compressed air being forced into you engine. Without a way to regulate the compressed air in relation to fuel and timing, you might as well get ready for some serious damage. Not to say you couldn't design something to work, I mean when they invented these things years ago, they blew up their share of engines to understand how everything work in conjunction with each other. To do this correctly, there are many engineering formulas to figure out all of the rpm, fuel and timing curves.
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------------------ 1992 GT 5.0L Convertible BBK Shorties, Flowmasters, Super Chip, Mass Air, Under Drive Pullies, Hurst Shifter, Duck Tape AIM: SmokeyDP |
There was a thing in one of the magazines that had a homemade TWIN TRUBO kit form parts a the Junk Yard. It was in like the low 12's.
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Okay, three things...
#1 A leaf blower will not work, for a few reasons. a. are you going to use a two cycle gas powered one? an electric one is designed to run off of a 110V AC, if you were to use a step up converter to get your 12V DC up to 110V AC the amount of power required is not possible for a car charging system. The other reason is at idle my blower puts out as much air as the leaf blower does at full throttle, at 9 PSI my blower is moving almost 800CFM. b.The electric supercharger? I think the ricer or monkey's would make more power c. The twin turbo's, go to jyturbo in the yahoo message forum, it is a group dedicated to using junkyard turbo's and accessories. For instance you can buy the huge intercooler used on the F350 power stroke diesel for like $250 from Ford, new. You can buy turbo's from a Turbo coupe, add some piping, and a boost controller and hello 12's or 11's. And let's be honest, would you really want to roll up to the local hot spot... "hold on, i have to pull start my [leaf] blower..." |
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Hey! Come on! I thought this was a Mustang site NOT A DAMM JAP! Site. You people sound like the other wannabe's with the loud fart machines. You want housepower, Buy the parts and dont make a fool of yourself like the Honda,(Jap cars) type. Ive seen crazy stuff here in florida with jap cars but I love when we use pure hosepower and letting them see our taillights. Mustangs are the bosses here in Florida when it comes down to it.
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well, i was( & have always) been thinking... why not try to hook the smog pump up to the intake? i dont know if it would work, but it feeds air into the exhaust. right? so why not it let air feed into the intake instead?
just my thoughts ------------------ 1988 Mustang GT, T-5 3.08's, No Smog Pump (Shorty Belt), Dumps At The End Of Stock H-Pipe, K&N Air Filter (Stock Air Box), Removed Air SilencerMy Stang My Site (Not Done Yet) |
How about throwing an oxygen tank in your car and injecting oxygen into the cylinder?
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Pure oxygen combusts very easily. That is why people run nitrous oxide which is an innert gas. Pure O2 would make your car run really well, but not only would it be more expensive than nitrous, it would be dangerous as hell.
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Its nice to dream, but i think anyone with a good sound mechanical brain will know this idea and ridiculous, and move on.
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if you ever ran direct o2 into a direct port setup can you say boom..lets think..what happens in a oxygen/sedulan torche after you add oxygen..it cuts metal..you wanna explode all you pistons at once then this is the way to do it..
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My brother and I were talking about it and we thought of that too. It was just a post to go along with the sillyness that is going on in here =)
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Some flamer nameed josh made one and actually had it in readerws rides in MMAFF he said it didnt work to well. Why nt run your exuast to a tank to build and store pressure then intercool and inject it back into the engine.
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You CAN get a compressor that flows enough. Many industrial units (Ingersoll Rand, Atlas Copco, Sullair) flow 1000+ CFM at 100psi, but requires a 250 hp motor to operate which renders the idea impossible.
The exhaust pressure idea sounds interesting, but it does sound similar to a turbo. ------------------ Russ L '91 LX Procharger, 3 row intercooler, extrude honed Cobra intake, Mac full Length Headers, 30# inj., 73mm C&L, 75mm tb, E303 cam, 289 rods, ported E7 heads, MSD, T-Rex w/255 lph Walbro, 5 lug conversion, Cobra R wheels, 3.27 gears and Moser Axles. |
You guys have some good ideas if some of us took the time to experiment some of them something might work.
I like the creativity you guys have to make something to boost power |
collecting exhaust gases is NOT how a turbo works. A turbo is two impeller housings connected by a common shaft. One is spun by the exhaust gases and that spins the other compressing the air and creates boost. It spins at 100,000 rpm's. Have ever seen how much air a blower moves? when we bolted mine up, i started it with out the blower connected and kicked the throttle a few times... this thing moves a serious amount of air
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Hey c/w, yes what you say is true. But a turbo does harness waste energy in the form of pressure.
The challenge with exhaust gas collection would be that after the gas is collected, the pressure would drop as the gases cool. You could probably get around this by using a lot of thermal insulation. ------------------ Russ L '91 LX Procharger, 3 row intercooler, extrude honed Cobra intake, Mac full Length Headers, 30# inj., 73mm C&L, 75mm tb, E303 cam, 289 rods, ported E7 heads, MSD, T-Rex w/255 lph Walbro, 5 lug conversion, Cobra R wheels, 3.27 gears and Moser Axles. |
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